Hey guys! Just asking for suggestions on what compounds to take for my blast to continue bulking. I’m currently on a Test cruise (my first time actually). My current stats: 5’7”, 180-190lbs, 15-20% bfp. I’ve already been bulking but it wasn’t until this last cycle that I decided on a long-term game plan: bulk for the rest of the year and do a short mini-cutting cycle for a few months (that’s when I’ll be doing my only cutting “blast” cycle of the year). However, I’m here to ask for suggestions on what compounds to take for my upcoming bulking “blast” cycle before cruising again followed by my cutting “blast” cycle right before summertime.
My last full cycle was Tren E, Test E & Winny. Actually, my last two cycles had Tren in it so I’m trying to avoid Tren until maybe my cutting blast before summer. For health purposes, I was also advised to take a break from the likes of Winny—I forgot what Winny and Deca had in common, there was a term for it, so I guess Deca isn’t an option. What compounds do you suggest for bulking that are best if I want to take a break from the likes of Tren?
I also don’t mind adding Winny again, it did help me lean out a bit while bulking but maybe it’s best to save it for cutting?
In terms of nutrition, I’m looking to up my calories a lil bit while blasting.
I would hope that you increase your kCal intake significantly not just a lil bit.
Bulking is one of those phases whereas steroids play a lesser part than during cutting phases. As you’re in an incredibly anabolic state with the abundance of fuel.
That said bulking cycles tend to require lesser levels of AAS than cutting.
How old are you, is your age/BP, cholesterol a factor in what substances I pick out for you?
From the top of my head they both harden and therefore reduce flexibility and give in connective tissues like ligaments and tendons, increasing the risk of joint maladies down the line.
But one potentiation is the antipg properties of stanazolol and the pro-pg activity of nandrolone, so combining the two for this reason can be useful
Sorry, what’s pg? I don’t understand what you mean by this lol.
I was thinking of just doing Test and Deca, also since you said less AAs is needed when bulking. Would you recommend adding Winstrol too? Honestly I’m trying to give my liver a break because I was just using Winny for my previous cycle lol, but let me know what you think.
I disagree.
I could agree if we were to specify that bulking to Mr.O size requires less than stepping on stage at Mr.O…
But i disagree with this statement for average people. Most guys can cut on 250mgs and not lose muscle cuz they dont have that much to lose in the first place.
And also, cutting is not the same as on-stage cycles for bodybuilders. Where the big mgs come from is shit like tren at 1g, mast at 1g a week, 100mgs of var, 80mgs of winny a day, etc. But these come into play when the cut is done, and now they look for the cosmetic effects. Most fat is being cut un lower doses of stuff.
Losing fat and getting the on-stage look are 2 different things. Most guys here could cut on 250mgs and not lose more muscle than they would on any other doses.
Now gaining size is harder. There is a limit to how much you can gain naturally and how much of each compound puts ON. With fatloss there is no limit - its basic physics.
So if we talk adding size vs maintaining size while losing fat at some 500kcal deficit a day, id say most guys would need much less to cut, than then need to gain. Most guys wont gain much on 1g of test but they can cut on 250mgs and not lose muscle easy.
I think there is a miscommunication. There are folks who recommend bulking and blasting at the same time, but if already Blast and Cruise, it makes less sense to do it this way.
When bulking, you have the added anabolic activity of food, so less anabolics are needed to gain. You’re already in a state of increased anabolic factors… no need to double-down.
When cutting, you do not have the added anabolic factor that food provides, but that does not mean you cannot gain muscle if enough anabolics are added. So blasting during a cut facilitates fat loss and muscle gain, instead of simply losing fat.
This method allows year-round growth, instead of growing only during bulking phases.
You should be comitting to a cut before bulking more; you’re already too fat to be bulking and too lacking in muscle mass to be running compounds like Tren. Cut until 10%, bulk until 15%.
IMO, this is a good rule of thumb. You don’t need to be over 15% body fat to gain muscle. Bulk until you reach 15% and then maintain until you find a “need” to look sharper.
Use sufficient AAS to see strength increases over the “blast” period. Use the feedback system. If you are not getting stronger after 3 weeks, up the AAS. (I always used orals because your body responds quickly to its use.)
If you use more gear when bulking, you may have less fat gain.
If you cut on TRT doses, and lose fat and muscle, the muscle comes back almost instantly once you start eating more and using more gear.
It takes a lot of gear to gain muscle on a cut for most people (assuming they are fairly well trained individuals). I’d rather save that gear for a caloric surplus where I can gain lost muscle in a matter of weeks, and then progress a bit past where I was for muscle before the cut.
This is for most guys. Contests have different considerations, where blasting for a cut makes a lot of sense.
Through mechanisms we still do not entirely understand (glucocortisoid suppression/expression), and it is still a “maybe”. Tren can be used to add muscle without fat, yet in others it adds a lot of fat… curious as to why that is.
Have yet to see that. Maybe if they are IFBB+ contenders, otherwise - I do not see that risk.
The research I’ve seen so far indicates that higher doses produce more lean tissue than lower doses. This makes sense, we know going from TRT to a blast induces muscle gain (for almost everyone) for example.
If you are in a surplus, that means you are gaining weight. Higher dose means more of the surplus is converted to muscle and less to fat. This assumes that your caloric surplus is equal for both the lower and higher dose blast.
It may be muscle size, not actual muscle. Size will be impacted by glycogen stores in the muscle, that goes away. Strength certainly dips when that happens for me.
You are correct that it isn’t common to lose a lot of muscle cutting. Starvation diets can do that, but even that takes time. Have you seen the show Alone? It is a survival show, and almost everyone on the show starves. They lose lots of muscle. They do med checks on them, and observe their bodies. It’s really weird. In that situation, the body seems to want to hold fat. I don’t think I’ve seen a single person on that show get a 6 pack, or get striations. But many lose more than 50 lbs while on the show, and most don’t start super fat.
Subjective of course. I’d say most of the regular posters here are there or close to well-trained. Perhaps, being capable of lifts far outside of what an untrained individual could do (that is roughly the same height).
What I am doing ATM. Cutting successfully right now. Using Semaglutide to make adherence easy. I have been taking 160 mg/wk of Test E split into two doses. I plan on getting into the 180s and very lean, then dropping the Semaglutide (and reducing cardio a bit), and upping the Test to 500 mg, and towards the end of the blast adding Tbol. I will probably do only 10 weeks to test my hypothesis. Goal is to have the muscle I did at 215 lbs weighing in the 190s.
Stallone would do this, but more extreme for the Rocky and Rambo films where he was more shredded. IIRC, he dropped down to 155 lbs for Rambo 3 (perhaps his most jacked physique), and then bulked up to 190-200 lbs using AAS. He didn’t gain much fat. I think part of that is he wasn’t building new muscle. He was rebuilding muscle he previously had. Muscle memory and gear seems to be magical.
Kevin Levrone also seemed to be able to do this, but his transformations were even crazier. He didn’t get as lean as Stallone, but the effects of muscle memory and gear were crazy. I don’t think it would have worked if he hadn’t been very big in the past.
I concur. And that is one of the reasons I say that you are not renting muscle on AAS. You just pawn it when you get off. Get back on AAS and the muscle rapidly returns. Much faster than it took to acquire it originally.
It is certainly possible for some to out eat Tren.
The degree of how much more gear helps the ratio of muscle to fat is individual. Let’s say we have a guy that does a blast with a gram of Test, and half a gram of Tren, and another guy that is the same (genetics, training, diet), and he does the standard 500 mg/wk beginner Test cycle. They both have a calorie surplus of 1,000 kcal a day. Which one is leaner and more muscular at the end?
I can agree. The downside is that it requires more gear use. If you can get your muscles and strength from a cut back almost instantly with extra calories and gear (bulk blast), that might save you an entire cut blast worth of gear.
They can only bring 10 items from a list. They have to bring camera equipment. They aren’t allowed to bring any meds.
Pretty much. There have been a few muscular contestants. One was a nationally ranked weightlifter. He didn’t lose a lot of weight though, he was doing really well, but then got very sick eating a beaver with parasites in it.
Edit: The Alone competitor was a powerlifter. Benji Hill was his name. Pretty damn strong haha.
It is super important to clarify the size of the person we talk about. What @mnben87 speaks about is a well trained person with a lot if size. What @educate-me talks about is mostly stuff thats almost a myth, cultivated by steroid users below 200lbs.
Like gaining muscle on a cut on ANY amount of drugs is NOT realistic for a person who is 250+… If it was realistic, then Mr O competitors would just get bigger and heavier.
This almost magical side of steroids, and recomp properties of tren is real when you are at the size when you still can gain natty. When you add lots of harsh drugs then, all the legends come true.
Now show me a 260lbs person with abs who will agree that you can gain size on less drugs, or that one can gain muscle on a cut…
