I am new to Judo and just started training. At the end of each class, the instructor makes us spar two rounds. I only know how to do the arm bar right now, and how to get an opponent off of me and on to him.
I am at the very basic level and just learning. However, I was wondering what is a good focus to have while sparring? First time I sparred I just put a head lock on the guy and had him from moving around. Later I realized that was a terrible idea because sparring is to practice. Next class I was more open and tried the arm bar, I got it once, while getting submitted twice → once to a jiu jitsu blue belt.
What are some other basic moves that should be mastered in judo? like the bread and butter of judo → apart from the throws? I am very interested in this martial art and want to progress as fast as possible and be as good as I can. I especially want to make use of the sparring sessions to really practice.
I would appreciate it if you did not respond with smart ass comments like “just go and train.” I am training and was just hoping for a little bit of direction from someone who has come out on the other side of the tunnel. Thanks
[quote]Fluid wrote:
I am new to Judo and just started training. At the end of each class, the instructor makes us spar two rounds. I only know how to do the arm bar right now, and how to get an opponent off of me and on to him.
I am at the very basic level and just learning. However, I was wondering what is a good focus to have while sparring? First time I sparred I just put a head lock on the guy and had him from moving around. Later I realized that was a terrible idea because sparring is to practice. Next class I was more open and tried the arm bar, I got it once, while getting submitted twice → once to a jiu jitsu blue belt.
What are some other basic moves that should be mastered in judo? like the bread and butter of judo → apart from the throws? I am very interested in this martial art and want to progress as fast as possible and be as good as I can. I especially want to make use of the sparring sessions to really practice.
I would appreciate it if you did not respond with smart ass comments like “just go and train.” I am training and was just hoping for a little bit of direction from someone who has come out on the other side of the tunnel. Thanks[/quote]
I am assuming you are referring specifically to ne-waza(ground techniques).
If so I will give you my current strategy for Judo.
I work very extensivly on getting out of pins, and sweeps.
I also work on applying my pins in more effective ways.
Subs are great, but in Judo they are a catch-22. They can take too long to get, and the ground game can get stood up too quickly.
That doesn’t mean don’t work on subs, but since you are still new the best place in my mind to start is with those basics.
kmc, thanks for the links. They are very useful. I don’t think he has gone over north south belly to knee because I have no idea what that is. He teaches something new every class such as locks, submissions, or throws and then end of the class he makes us spar for 2 rounds.
Haney, yes I was referring to the ground technique. I will read up on pins and sweeps.
knee on belly = no idea, pheraphs is something like kuzure tate shiho gatame
And… dude, you should be doing a lot more of Randori (sparring), 2 rounds isn’t enougth to progress “fast”. Try to mate with someone and keep doing randori after the class is ended. Always taking care of yourself, you will not like to get an injury that would take you off the mat for a couple of months.
As an advice, in ne waza i would tell you that you should focus on dominating your oponent in the positions that he usually gets in shiai (real combat), like “the turtle” or the “dead frog” (when your oponent puts his belly on the mat, etc)
Working on that is a lot better than just doing traditional ne-waza randori.
Also you may work on going for subs from the standing position.
Can’t answer from a specifically Judo perspective but have been training BJJ for a number of years and can say that for a newbie in sparring the two most important things to focus on are relaxing and breathing.
Next thing is to try to relate what you learned in class to the position you are in during sparring.
Main things that you can work on are a good basic start position (combat base is a good thing to google if you are starting from the knees.)
Now try to think about advancing from the position you are in to a more advantageous position using the minimum force necessary. And defending against losing position. For the first 3-4 months (at the very least) you will do far better to think about position than submission.
Don’t worry about how many times you are being submitted, don’t worry about how many taps you get, you are training with someone not against them.
[quote]Fluid wrote:
I am new to Judo and just started training. At the end of each class, the instructor makes us spar two rounds. I only know how to do the arm bar right now, and how to get an opponent off of me and on to him.
I am at the very basic level and just learning. However, I was wondering what is a good focus to have while sparring? First time I sparred I just put a head lock on the guy and had him from moving around. Later I realized that was a terrible idea because sparring is to practice. Next class I was more open and tried the arm bar, I got it once, while getting submitted twice → once to a jiu jitsu blue belt.
What are some other basic moves that should be mastered in judo? like the bread and butter of judo → apart from the throws? I am very interested in this martial art and want to progress as fast as possible and be as good as I can. I especially want to make use of the sparring sessions to really practice.
I would appreciate it if you did not respond with smart ass comments like “just go and train.” I am training and was just hoping for a little bit of direction from someone who has come out on the other side of the tunnel. Thanks[/quote]
i dont think you will find your “bread and butter” for a long long time. they got you guys doing arm bars already? have you learned ude garami? kimura? if you want to progress quicker keep playing with that jiu jitsu blue belt any chance you get!! dont forget to close the gaps. keep it tight.
Just try to get your reps in for the moves and positions you learn in class. Don’t worry about winning or losing, it will only hurt you in the long run. If you attempt moves then it is a good training session, even if you ‘lose’ everytime.
[quote]Fluid wrote:
I am new to Judo and just started training. At the end of each class, the instructor makes us spar two rounds. I only know how to do the arm bar right now, and how to get an opponent off of me and on to him.
I am at the very basic level and just learning. However, I was wondering what is a good focus to have while sparring? First time I sparred I just put a head lock on the guy and had him from moving around. Later I realized that was a terrible idea because sparring is to practice. Next class I was more open and tried the arm bar, I got it once, while getting submitted twice → once to a jiu jitsu blue belt.
What are some other basic moves that should be mastered in judo? like the bread and butter of judo → apart from the throws? I am very interested in this martial art and want to progress as fast as possible and be as good as I can. I especially want to make use of the sparring sessions to really practice.
I would appreciate it if you did not respond with smart ass comments like “just go and train.” I am training and was just hoping for a little bit of direction from someone who has come out on the other side of the tunnel. Thanks[/quote]
My ne-waza got a lot better when I concentrated on keeping chest contact when moving from pin to pin. Don’t give them any space, or they will take advantage of it. Also, the goal is to learn, so don’t hold a pin for more that 5 seconds or so. If you feel confident that you’ve got the pin tight, then move on to another one, and think about the steps you need to take to get there. For example if he’s locked down in hon kesa gatame, then move on and get to yoko shiho gatame without lessening chest contact and without giving him any space. The best guys at ne-waza, grapple like anaconda snakes, and take every chance to tighten the holds and lock you down even more.
In judo, the goal is to pin. Subs and chokes are pretty awesome, but don’t be one of those guys who goes for chokes non-stop at the expense of learning to dominate the osaekomi game.
Bengoshi Waza -- my Judo Page – my musings, mostly deserving of last place on a list. I’ve recovered, so I’m back with karate, but I still love to watch Judo.
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
You need to use the randori sessions for practicing and experimenting, especially when you are starting. Later you can try to polish things.
Some good links (after you have visited the Judo Forum):
http://adrr.com/bengoshi/ – my musings, mostly deserving of last place on a list. I’ve recovered, so I’m back with karate, but I still love to watch Judo.
For now keep it simple.
For ground randori, if you stay in the other’s guard they will keep throwing arm bars and triangles at you. Focus on getting past their guard and into a side control, from their work to pin them.
If they are in your guard work on turn overs, triangles (maybe), or arm bars.
Standing randori means you have a few minutes to fight for your grip. Keep their hand off you gi. If they grab your gi, then just force their hand off. You’ll frustrate so many players and it will be funny.
If possible after each class grab another student and practice 1 technique from class 10 times. It sounds too easy but it is a great way to learn.
What are some basic submissions to do from a side control pin?
What are some basic submission to do from a Mount?
When I am in the persons guard, is my only aim to pass guard or can I submit from there? If so, what are some basic ones?
Thank you.
ps. Today was great. Throughout sparring, I was aiming to pin and just keep control. It was my best sparring session so far. I was not at all exhausted like I usually am and I was very much in control.
What are some basic submissions to do from a side control pin?
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When I am doing Ne-waza I usually go for a choke submission first. Not because I really want to end it with a choke, but because it usually opens up another submission. From there I will transition to an arm bar, or a pin.
Since you are barely starting out you need to work on a couple of chokes and as you are trying the choke you should look for a sub(maybe not go for that sub, but recognize that they just gave you an arm).
To give you a recent experience that I had. I was working with a guy and I had him in side control. I started going for an shoulder lock. As soon as I did that he rolled to that side to protect his arm. At that point to get the sub on that arm I was going to have to over power him.
So instead of fighting that I kept going for it with the hopes that he would bring his other arm up and I could hook it with an arm and roll back into an arm bar. after about 3 or 4 seconds he did just that. Since I was already looking for it. I simply transitioned right into it with zero resistance from him because he was still fighting the other sub attempt.
Find a few things and focuse on getting good at those. As you are doing that you will begin to see all sorts of things opening up. If you can be a move ahead of the other guy at all times you will control the match.
This is the most important thing though. Leave your ego at home(not saying you don’t). It isn’t about controlling or submitting in the dojo, it is about learning and improving what you are learning.
If you figure something out, teach the guy you are working with. It is important that he learn how to defend what you are doing. This will create a better dojo overall, as well as increase your game.
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Thank you.
ps. Today was great. Throughout sparring, I was aiming to pin and just keep control. It was my best sparring session so far. I was not at all exhausted like I usually am and I was very much in control. [/quote]
That is good. Just learn to relax and think and you will continue to see improvment.