I actually didn’t make any arguments. Other people did. I offered no constructive criticism, I didn’t make any suggestions on programming. I just called you fat and told you to find another hobby. Please don’t mistake me for someone else.
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unfundamented. what a great word. I hope I can remember to use it at some point in the future.
‘I never did the thing you’re accusing me of, that accusation is completely and totally unfundamented! UNFUNDAMENTED I SAY!!!’
The OP’s unfundamented conceit apropos to his level of development upsets me bigly.
SAD!
Would you rather take advice from someone who has never done it before?
There is no argument. This is one of the longer threads honestly, and it’s full of good advice. Lower the training frequency, focus on compound lifts (bench, squat, deadlift, OHP, olympic lifts, and variations of all of those) and forget everything else. Eat more protein. Eat more fats. Eat more carbs. If you really want an argument behind this, I’m 188cm & 96 kg. Before I started listening to these experienced guys on TN, I was 188cm & 91kg. So, my argument is that these guys know what the fuck they’re talking about and you’re doing yourself a disservice by ignoring what they say because they don’t have an argument. Like I said, there is no argument. They’re telling you what works and what doesn’t. A guy with a 600lb deadlift can come into this thread and tell you what you need to do to gain weight and get stronger, and if you don’t listen, that’s your fault and your problem. He really won’t care, because he knows what’s right and he can still deadlift 3x his bodyweight.
Rant done. The only post I will make on this thread is this one. Go back to the top of the thread, read what everyone has suggested, and make something of it. Good luck mate
So I don’t really care if the OP reads or cares about this, but we’re tracking towards something worth discussing, and I feel like addressing it.
We see a lot of beginners asking ‘why’ incessantly. And to an extent, I get it. People want to understand why certain things work and others don’t. And they want to feel convinced that what they’re doing is the right approach. The problem is that good ideas, and good programs, come from countless hours of research and trial and error. I can’t explain everything to everyone. If I tried to, I would be writing pages and pages just to personally satisfy every beginner who comes along. Suffice it to say, I’m not willing to do that.
Beginners HAVE to TRUST the PROCESS. You can learn the whys along the way, but when you’re getting started, you need to be willing to trust a proven program and stick with it. Just trust the experts. It works. At the end of the day, all that is going to matter is getting results. Sometimes beginners lose sight of that.
Ok, so lets go back at it, if i cant do bent over stuff and i prefer not to dl because of a mild scoliosis, what would be a good ppl routine?
is there a reason it has to be PPL? just curious
Honestlu because i love working out and i think that the reason why its sutstainable for me is that i enjoy it, so i want to workout 6x week, its my therapy and im willing to sacrifice a bit of progress for that ill Guess you are asking bc a lot of the beginner workouts are freq 3 (fullbody) so i thought that i could do a 6x week upper lower, wouldnt it be similar on effectiveness?
Ok, I want to deconstruct this a bit and ask what should have been asked initially.
What is most important to you regarding the gym? Is it more important to you to go 6 days per week, or do a PPL split? And is it important to you that all 6 days are centered around lifting weights?
More importantly, do you go to the gym to achieve results, or do you just care about the therapeutic aspect that you mentioned? If results are important, what is your overall goal? Is it strength, is it athleticism, is it muscle size? What do you want to be in 5-10 years? A picture or description of your goal physique would help us figure out what you should be doing.
I just wanna go 6x week and my goal is aesthetics (connor murphy but achivable lol)
Do the best damn… program by Thib on this site - as close to what you want as you’re going to get without it being a total clusterfuck.
If you insist on going to the gym 6 days per week, and all you care about is how you look, you’re an ideal candidate for a standard bodybuilder split.
Am i? I thought that beginners benefited more from frequency, in assuming you mean a bro split
Why do you keep arguing? If you already know what you need to do, just do it man.
I liked it, would it be ok to do for delts military press, btn press and lat raises one each day?
You can do whatever you want, but Wendler said something to the effect of “if you start modifying a program and it works, great. If you start modifying a program and you make no progress, that’s not my fault.”
You can do whatever you think will suit you best. I know that this question was not addressed to me, but I think some would agree with me when I say that you should do the program, as written, for an extended period of time before you start making adjustments to it.
Basically, if you just tweak the shit out of a program to “make it fit you,” you have no control group (for lack of a better term). It’s hard to tell what works and what doesn’t when you consistently add and subtract random shit to and from your workout. Pick a program and do it.
^ this. Coach Thib and Jim Wendler + a hundred other dudes on this site have already figured out what works and what doesn’t. like @flipcollar said, TRUST THE PROCESS. there is a reason that these programs are popular. hint: it’s because they work. just follow it to a T and you will have no issues with it in 4 months when you realize what a structured program can allow you to accomplish.
Read any 10 Dan John articles -you’ll find all the answers to all your training queries both current and for the next 2-5+ years
In between the jokes and sarcasm here you’ve already been given some solid advice for free. Learn some humility and gratitude.
In the program says to do 2 compounds an 1 iso thats why, am i looking to the right one? If u could provide a link itd be great
I don’t know what program you’re talking about. I just do 5/3/1 and it works. When I started in early August, my squat max was 325, bench was 275, and deadlift was 405. About 4 months later, I’ve squatted 320x9 and 385x1, benched 250x8 and 300x1 (will be 315x1 in a few weeks), and deadlifted 425x3. I’m not bragging, but I know you like to see proof that things work. So my maxes have all gone up a lot in 4 months and I’ve gained ~12lb or 5kg. I’m not saying you have to do 5/3/1, but I went through the same doubtful phase that you’re in right now. I was doing a 6x/week PPL 6 months ago and I wasn’t growing. Lifting 4-5x/week focusing on the big 3 and EATING is the quickest way to get big and strong. That’s why I suggest following any of the programs on here word for word, because they work. I’ve had good success with 5/3/1 as have others, and I know all the programs on here have people who can testify to their efficacy. Just pick one and go tbh
So you are telling me to do a program which title is PURE STRENGTH to get PURR AESTHETICS, idk this other dude tells me to do the c t best workout for nattys, wtf do i do?
You pick something and commit to it for 3 months.
You pick an eating plan and commit to it for 3 months.
At the end, you make sure you finished with better habits than you started with.
Along with this, I recommend you read enough to get you through the 3 months of training and eating then look at nothing related to strength/fitness/nutrition/whatever until you have demonstrated that you have the discipline to deliver on a plan.