Natural vs Bodybuilding with Steroids

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[I know a 5’ 10" lifetime natural lifter we can use as an example. This guy is not a bodybuilder, but dabbles a bit with body-comp. work for the challenge. He is in his late forties. He weighs 215-200 in the off-season and cleans up pretty nice at 195. The lighting is poor and he cetaintly doesn’t know shit about posing, but you guys will get the idea. [/quote]

At 48 my best training days are in the rear-view mirror, and what a great ride it has been. [/quote]

If you believe that your best training days are behind you, then they will be. I firmly beleive that age is one big placebo effect. people age, cause they beleive in their minds, thats just how it is and theirs nothing they can do about it. your mind is a powerful weopon. your body will react to whatever your mind tells it. so if you beleive that to be true, it will be. simple.[/quote]

You show me a lifter that is more “Bad-Ass” at 48 than he was at 38, and I’ll show you a guy that was screwing around at 38.
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Example, Hershal walker who is 48. he is now an MMa FIGHTER for strikeforce(now owned by the ufc) but hes said hes in better condition now, than hes ever been. you my friend, have been brainwashed by the mainstream media, thinking that your no longer in your peak. well, thats all in your head. certainly, if you have injuries, thats different. but injuries can happen at any “age”. Talk to Randy Couture about not being at his best. times are different now. you body does what your mind tells it. google placebo effect sometime. that just proves how powerful your mind is.[/quote]

Randy Couture called, I couldn’t hear him very well since he was having a tooth put back in his head, but he said you don’t know what you’re talking about here.

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[I know a 5’ 10" lifetime natural lifter we can use as an example. This guy is not a bodybuilder, but dabbles a bit with body-comp. work for the challenge. He is in his late forties. He weighs 215-200 in the off-season and cleans up pretty nice at 195. The lighting is poor and he cetaintly doesn’t know shit about posing, but you guys will get the idea. [/quote]

At 48 my best training days are in the rear-view mirror, and what a great ride it has been. [/quote]

If you believe that your best training days are behind you, then they will be. I firmly beleive that age is one big placebo effect. people age, cause they beleive in their minds, thats just how it is and theirs nothing they can do about it. your mind is a powerful weopon. your body will react to whatever your mind tells it. so if you beleive that to be true, it will be. simple.[/quote]

You show me a lifter that is more “Bad-Ass” at 48 than he was at 38, and I’ll show you a guy that was screwing around at 38.
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Example, Hershal walker who is 48. he is now an MMa FIGHTER for strikeforce(now owned by the ufc) but hes said hes in better condition now, than hes ever been. you my friend, have been brainwashed by the mainstream media, thinking that your no longer in your peak. well, thats all in your head. certainly, if you have injuries, thats different. but injuries can happen at any “age”. Talk to Randy Couture about not being at his best. times are different now. you body does what your mind tells it. google placebo effect sometime. that just proves how powerful your mind is.[/quote]

Randy Couture called, I couldn’t hear him very well since he was having a tooth put back in his head, but he said you don’t know what you’re talking about here.[/quote]

well, considering randy hasn’t really fought anyone of significance, his last fight against james toney, doesn’t exactly prepare you for a guy like machida. machida is more new school and elusive. doesn’t matter when randy fought him, he would have lost.

Hey! Don’t change the subject! And also, we’d better stop quoting… looks like it F’ed up.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest condition for a natty of average height (5’10’’ ish) around 195-200 is VERY good. Most don’t realize that this means you’re walking around at 220 with a bodyfat that most would call very lean. [/quote]

I know a 5’ 10" lifetime natural lifter we can use as an example. This guy is not a bodybuilder, but dabbles a bit with body-comp. work for the challenge. He is in his late forties. He weighs 215-200 in the off-season and cleans up pretty nice at 195. The lighting is poor and he cetaintly doesn’t know shit about posing, but you guys will get the idea.

This video is from the spring of 2009

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Not sure if the video loaded, but here is spring of 2010

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Bluecollart8n=Keith Jardine

Has anyone seen Catfish? If you have, you get my point.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
This roguevampire has become one of the top idiots of 2011 on this board for sure, and I don’t think he’s trying to troll, thats the sad part.

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idiots of 2011? many people who speak their minds, that goes against what others think are often thought of as stupid or idiots. but im far from an idiot my little friend. far from it. im not some little 140lb punk kid here. [/quote]

You can be 140 or 280, doesn’t make you more or less dumb…

Edit: Okay I just read that he said 15% and 5% are the same thing. LOL I was wrong, we got trolled guys. [/quote]

no, i never said they were the same things. i said 2 guys going to a club, one being 15% and the other being 5%, dressed in clothes, nobody would tell the difference. neither guy has a gut, nobody would know. sure, if they were onstage competing, then sure, you can tell. but remember 99% of bodybuilders do not compete.[/quote]

People that don’t know shit and never trained a day in their lives may not be able to tell the difference…is that really your target audience? Kinda aiming for the low hanging fruit aren’t you? The rest of us have you sized up from the jump!
People that do not compete and have no definite plan to do so are not bodybuilders! You do not get to re-define what it means to be a bodybuilder. Runners to the starting line, lifters to the platform, westlers to the mat, bodybuilders to the stage. Until then you are a 200-215 lb. man in a 280 lb. body with a gym membership talking shit. There is nothing special or unique about that.
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bahahahahahah. isn’t that like saying brock lesnar is really a light heavyweight in a heavyweight body. thats total bull. and no, you and nobody has me “sized” up. the truth is, im an extremely jacked dude. not bragging, but thats simply the case. i haven’t been training all these years to have a bunch of nobodies, tell me, they have me sized up. get real. even pro bodybuilders aren’t 4% bodyfat all the time. its not healthy to be that ripped. most bodybuilders look far more impressive in the offseason. just my opinion. and you don’t have to compete to be a bodybuilder. nothing special, to this day, the only people i have ever seen bigger than me are the top pro bodybuilders. jay cutler, branch, coleman. i can re define anything i like. what i say goes. its my world, your just living in it. bodybuilding means something different to everyone.

and a little extra fat, makes you alot stronger and alot bigger. obviously, you don’t want to go past a certain point. but show me one guy here bigger than me. anyone. 5’7 at 285lbs. yes, i weighed myself last night. thats ronnie coleman level. true, not as lean, but comeone, im a guy that doesn’t have a gut, at 285lbs, thats fucking impressive as all hell. [/quote]

Yeah, man, you’re totally huge. But what good is being so huge when the woman you love has been dead for 400 years?

/communication w/ celtics 2.0[/quote]

ha ha nice break. lol. ill tell you, it sucks. i seem to have very little interest in todays women. they all just seem to have way to much attitude, no loyalty or devotion to their man. compare divorce rates today with say 100 years ago. ya women are far more sexually active, but with that comes total lack of class. [/quote]

100 years ago it was illegal for a woman to file divorce, first of all. Second of all, shit, fuck it. Youre retarded.

And no I dont ‘clearly see separation’ anywhere in your upper body. Well unless you mean betwen your pecs, but that’s because you have shitty insertions at the sternum, not because of leanness.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
This roguevampire has become one of the top idiots of 2011 on this board for sure, and I don’t think he’s trying to troll, thats the sad part.

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idiots of 2011? many people who speak their minds, that goes against what others think are often thought of as stupid or idiots. but im far from an idiot my little friend. far from it. im not some little 140lb punk kid here. [/quote]

You can be 140 or 280, doesn’t make you more or less dumb…

Edit: Okay I just read that he said 15% and 5% are the same thing. LOL I was wrong, we got trolled guys. [/quote]
I called it

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
This roguevampire has become one of the top idiots of 2011 on this board for sure, and I don’t think he’s trying to troll, thats the sad part.

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idiots of 2011? many people who speak their minds, that goes against what others think are often thought of as stupid or idiots. but im far from an idiot my little friend. far from it. im not some little 140lb punk kid here. [/quote]

You can be 140 or 280, doesn’t make you more or less dumb…

Edit: Okay I just read that he said 15% and 5% are the same thing. LOL I was wrong, we got trolled guys. [/quote]

no, i never said they were the same things. i said 2 guys going to a club, one being 15% and the other being 5%, dressed in clothes, nobody would tell the difference. neither guy has a gut, nobody would know. sure, if they were onstage competing, then sure, you can tell. but remember 99% of bodybuilders do not compete.[/quote]

People that don’t know shit and never trained a day in their lives may not be able to tell the difference…is that really your target audience? Kinda aiming for the low hanging fruit aren’t you? The rest of us have you sized up from the jump!
People that do not compete and have no definite plan to do so are not bodybuilders! You do not get to re-define what it means to be a bodybuilder. Runners to the starting line, lifters to the platform, westlers to the mat, bodybuilders to the stage. Until then you are a 200-215 lb. man in a 280 lb. body with a gym membership talking shit. There is nothing special or unique about that.
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bahahahahahah. isn’t that like saying brock lesnar is really a light heavyweight in a heavyweight body. thats total bull. and no, you and nobody has me “sized” up. the truth is, im an extremely jacked dude. not bragging, but thats simply the case. i haven’t been training all these years to have a bunch of nobodies, tell me, they have me sized up. get real. even pro bodybuilders aren’t 4% bodyfat all the time. its not healthy to be that ripped. most bodybuilders look far more impressive in the offseason. just my opinion. and you don’t have to compete to be a bodybuilder. nothing special, to this day, the only people i have ever seen bigger than me are the top pro bodybuilders. jay cutler, branch, coleman. i can re define anything i like. what i say goes. its my world, your just living in it. bodybuilding means something different to everyone.

and a little extra fat, makes you alot stronger and alot bigger. obviously, you don’t want to go past a certain point. but show me one guy here bigger than me. anyone. 5’7 at 285lbs. yes, i weighed myself last night. thats ronnie coleman level. true, not as lean, but comeone, im a guy that doesn’t have a gut, at 285lbs, thats fucking impressive as all hell. [/quote]

Yeah, man, you’re totally huge. But what good is being so huge when the woman you love has been dead for 400 years?

/communication w/ celtics 2.0[/quote]

ha ha nice break. lol. ill tell you, it sucks. i seem to have very little interest in todays women. they all just seem to have way to much attitude, no loyalty or devotion to their man. compare divorce rates today with say 100 years ago. ya women are far more sexually active, but with that comes total lack of class. [/quote]

100 years ago it was illegal for a woman to file divorce, first of all. Second of all, shit, fuck it. Youre retarded.

And no I dont ‘clearly see separation’ anywhere in your upper body. Well unless you mean betwen your pecs, but that’s because you have shitty insertions at the sternum, not because of leanness. [/quote]

Probably one of the best comebacks Ive heard on this site hahaha. To RV though, take the picture

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
This roguevampire has become one of the top idiots of 2011 on this board for sure, and I don’t think he’s trying to troll, thats the sad part.

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idiots of 2011? many people who speak their minds, that goes against what others think are often thought of as stupid or idiots. but im far from an idiot my little friend. far from it. im not some little 140lb punk kid here. [/quote]

You can be 140 or 280, doesn’t make you more or less dumb…

Edit: Okay I just read that he said 15% and 5% are the same thing. LOL I was wrong, we got trolled guys. [/quote]

no, i never said they were the same things. i said 2 guys going to a club, one being 15% and the other being 5%, dressed in clothes, nobody would tell the difference. neither guy has a gut, nobody would know. sure, if they were onstage competing, then sure, you can tell. but remember 99% of bodybuilders do not compete.[/quote]

People that don’t know shit and never trained a day in their lives may not be able to tell the difference…is that really your target audience? Kinda aiming for the low hanging fruit aren’t you? The rest of us have you sized up from the jump!
People that do not compete and have no definite plan to do so are not bodybuilders! You do not get to re-define what it means to be a bodybuilder. Runners to the starting line, lifters to the platform, westlers to the mat, bodybuilders to the stage. Until then you are a 200-215 lb. man in a 280 lb. body with a gym membership talking shit. There is nothing special or unique about that.
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bahahahahahah. isn’t that like saying brock lesnar is really a light heavyweight in a heavyweight body. thats total bull. and no, you and nobody has me “sized” up. the truth is, im an extremely jacked dude. not bragging, but thats simply the case. i haven’t been training all these years to have a bunch of nobodies, tell me, they have me sized up. get real. even pro bodybuilders aren’t 4% bodyfat all the time. its not healthy to be that ripped. most bodybuilders look far more impressive in the offseason. just my opinion. and you don’t have to compete to be a bodybuilder. nothing special, to this day, the only people i have ever seen bigger than me are the top pro bodybuilders. jay cutler, branch, coleman. i can re define anything i like. what i say goes. its my world, your just living in it. bodybuilding means something different to everyone.

and a little extra fat, makes you alot stronger and alot bigger. obviously, you don’t want to go past a certain point. but show me one guy here bigger than me. anyone. 5’7 at 285lbs. yes, i weighed myself last night. thats ronnie coleman level. true, not as lean, but comeone, im a guy that doesn’t have a gut, at 285lbs, thats fucking impressive as all hell. [/quote]

Yeah, man, you’re totally huge. But what good is being so huge when the woman you love has been dead for 400 years?

/communication w/ celtics 2.0[/quote]

ha ha nice break. lol. ill tell you, it sucks. i seem to have very little interest in todays women. they all just seem to have way to much attitude, no loyalty or devotion to their man. compare divorce rates today with say 100 years ago. ya women are far more sexually active, but with that comes total lack of class. [/quote]

100 years ago it was illegal for a woman to file divorce, first of all. Second of all, shit, fuck it. Youre retarded.

And no I dont ‘clearly see separation’ anywhere in your upper body. Well unless you mean betwen your pecs, but that’s because you have shitty insertions at the sternum, not because of leanness. [/quote]

bhahaha, you just sound angry. no separation. lol. yes of course, theres no separation in my shoulders and chest and traps. of course not. lol. do you have some swamp land you want to sell me also. bhaahahahah. if you like how women are nowadays, thats cool. I just feel when your married, thats it, its for life. unless in cases of abuse. yes, its totally retarded to want a woman whos going to be loyal to her man. devoted to her man. yes thats retarded. lol. sorry, but to me thats a womans role is to be loyal to her man. her man should be above god himself. thats my opinion on the matter.

You can talk about insertions all you want. im a 285lb freaking hulk. end of story. does the hulk have shitty insertions also. bhahaahahah. that one made me laugh. really.

blackaggar, honestly, what are you a buck 80 if that. i can tell you right now. i have far more separation than you do. and im a good 100lbs heavier than you. I love how you talk about insertions. coming from a guy whos probably been training for 2 years.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

You can talk about insertions all you want. im a 285lb freaking hulk. end of story. does the hulk have shitty insertions also. bhahaahahah. that one made me laugh. really.[/quote]

Lets see the proof. Until you do, all you are is an annoying troll

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

You can talk about insertions all you want. im a 285lb freaking hulk. end of story. does the hulk have shitty insertions also. bhahaahahah. that one made me laugh. really.[/quote]

Lets see the proof. Until you do, all you are is an annoying troll

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Why the hate bro?

Im sure the reason this guy is single has everything to do with the classless “today’s women” and not the fact that hes a tool…

Lol holy shit I was gonna start a giant quote-compilation of all the dumb shit he’s said here since my last post…but I was overwhelmed with the sheer volume of the stupidity, so I gave up.

I’M A 285 LBS FREAKING HULK GUYS!!!

Everyone needs to stop demanding a picture. The guy already told you, he looks like the hulk. So imagine the hulk with the stay-puft marshmallow man’s head and non-discolored skin and you have roguevampire.

But really, something very special has happened in this thread. I think its the first time anyone has tried to make a serious comparison of themselves to the incredible hulk.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
blackaggar, honestly, what are you a buck 80 if that. i can tell you right now. i have far more separation than you do. and im a good 100lbs heavier than you. I love how you talk about insertions. coming from a guy whos probably been training for 2 years. [/quote]

You know what. Youre right. I was just looking at the avatar picture, I hadn’t opened up the larger version. I see the separation

In your DOUBLE GODAMNED CHIN

You have a double chin. That means you have enough fat around your face and neck to necessitate the folding of your skin to accommodate the build up of fat cells.

Now go back to wal-mart, find a loyal land-whale of a girlfriend, and stop contributing to the obesity epidemic.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

You can talk about insertions all you want. im a 285lb freaking hulk. end of story. does the hulk have shitty insertions also. bhahaahahah. that one made me laugh. really.[/quote]

Lets see the proof. Until you do, all you are is an annoying troll

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Why the hate bro? [/quote]

I’m just a hater

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
blackaggar, honestly, what are you a buck 80 if that. i can tell you right now. i have far more separation than you do. and im a good 100lbs heavier than you. I love how you talk about insertions. coming from a guy whos probably been training for 2 years. [/quote]

Anyone can type that they have more seperation, but if you dont back up your words they mean nothing. BTW I`m 228 not 180 genius. And I also only have 1 chin.

285lbs HULK! God this thread is amazing. Also, lol @ people calling themselves bodybuilders and being super hcore and dedicated and never having a single picture of themselves…

this is just your world though, and we’re just living in it.

you probably incline 495 x 6-15 reps, depending on how you feel that day.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
285lbs HULK! God this thread is amazing. Also, lol @ people calling themselves bodybuilders and being super hcore and dedicated and never having a single picture of themselves…

this is just your world though, and we’re just living in it.

you probably incline 495 x 6-15 reps, depending on how you feel that day.[/quote]

Noone would claim that, that`s just silly… oh wait