[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
Dont you think that maybe there is a chance that a guy that turns pro in bbing can at that stage decide to go all in and invest more in hgh as this is what cost a lot of money for these guys?
yes? no?
Also, dont you think that when reaching higher levels in this sport these guys get access to much better sources? Yes? No?
This is what is being discussed here… im not sure again why anyone would argue this
My final point on this spiraling-slowly-out-of-control thread is this: no matter how much AAS you consume, you won’t be comparable to Cutler, Coleman, et al, withput genetics and a strong work ethic period. Can you be big as the Hulk on 4 grams of AAS a week? Fuck yeah u can. But, in the sports were symmetry, and shape along with muscularity, nice bellies and insertions is what wins. This drugs at all cost theories troubles me. Are sponsors liars? Perhaps. Who in America isn’t lied to by crafty marketing? If you think taking a $65 jar of creatine monohydrate and vitamin C is gonna make you look like Lee Priest, you might need to stop buying supps altogether. For those who think retardly high cycles are the only the way to be successful, I wish you much luck brothers.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone had said that drugs are everything but a properly executed drug regimen is almost as important as proper nutrition and training.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
ok you started with saying that “drugs are the finishing touches”, which was incorrect, now you are saying “drugs aren’t everything in bodybuilding”, which is correct.
seems you are the one learning[/quote]
I’ve failed you. I will now commit ritualistic Samurai suicide.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
My final point on this spiraling-slowly-out-of-control thread is this: no matter how much AAS you consume, you won’t be comparable to Cutler, Coleman, et al, withput genetics and a strong work ethic period. Can you be big as the Hulk on 4 grams of AAS a week? Fuck yeah u can. But, in the sports were symmetry, and shape along with muscularity, nice bellies and insertions is what wins. This drugs at all cost theories troubles me. Are sponsors liars? Perhaps. Who in America isn’t lied to by crafty marketing? If you think taking a $65 jar of creatine monohydrate and vitamin C is gonna make you look like Lee Priest, you might need to stop buying supps altogether. For those who think retardly high cycles are the only the way to be successful, I wish you much luck brothers.[/quote]
100% agree.
Side Note:
Remember when I posted in your introduction thread not to let T Nation drag you down? These were the kind of threads I was talking about lol. Don’t take them personally (which I’m sure you’re not)
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone had said that drugs are everything but a properly executed drug regimen is almost as important as proper nutrition and training.
Don’t you think? [/quote]
he doesn’t seem to have much of an understanding regarding what he is saying… his “points” keep changing lol
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone had said that drugs are everything but a properly executed drug regimen is almost as important as proper nutrition and training.
Don’t you think? [/quote]
I agree. But problem is people base others success on the drugsand drugs alone.it wasn’t a ‘This guy has a spot on diet, and training plan’ its more a, “Gee, I wonder how much drugs he’s pushing??” The debate is always turned into a withhunt. Thats whats annoying.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
My final point on this spiraling-slowly-out-of-control thread is this: no matter how much AAS you consume, you won’t be comparable to Cutler, Coleman, et al, withput genetics and a strong work ethic period. Can you be big as the Hulk on 4 grams of AAS a week? Fuck yeah u can. But, in the sports were symmetry, and shape along with muscularity, nice bellies and insertions is what wins. This drugs at all cost theories troubles me. Are sponsors liars? Perhaps. Who in America isn’t lied to by crafty marketing? If you think taking a $65 jar of creatine monohydrate and vitamin C is gonna make you look like Lee Priest, you might need to stop buying supps altogether. For those who think retardly high cycles are the only the way to be successful, I wish you much luck brothers.[/quote]
100% agree.
Side Note:
Remember when I posted in your introduction thread not to let T Nation drag you down? These were the kind of threads I was talking about lol. Don’t take them personally (which I’m sure you’re not)[/quote]
Thank you. I appreciate it brother. I didn’t expect to be confronted by litigating gym rats lol! The end result is what matters to me. They can write outlines to entrap me lol. Well, some are fist pumping the air in triumph and I, well I’m eating my turkey and rice and like meh, it’s the internet, some take pride in Insignificant things. #Stillwinning
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone had said that drugs are everything but a properly executed drug regimen is almost as important as proper nutrition and training.
Don’t you think? [/quote]
I agree. But problem is people base others success on the drugsand drugs alone.it wasn’t a ‘This guy has a spot on diet, and training plan’ its more a, “Gee, I wonder how much drugs he’s pushing??” The debate is always turned into a withhunt. Thats whats annoying.[/quote]
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
My final point on this spiraling-slowly-out-of-control thread is this: no matter how much AAS you consume, you won’t be comparable to Cutler, Coleman, et al, withput genetics and a strong work ethic period. Can you be big as the Hulk on 4 grams of AAS a week? Fuck yeah u can. But, in the sports were symmetry, and shape along with muscularity, nice bellies and insertions is what wins. This drugs at all cost theories troubles me. Are sponsors liars? Perhaps. Who in America isn’t lied to by crafty marketing? If you think taking a $65 jar of creatine monohydrate and vitamin C is gonna make you look like Lee Priest, you might need to stop buying supps altogether. For those who think retardly high cycles are the only the way to be successful, I wish you much luck brothers.[/quote]
100% agree.
Side Note:
Remember when I posted in your introduction thread not to let T Nation drag you down? These were the kind of threads I was talking about lol. Don’t take them personally (which I’m sure you’re not)[/quote]
Thank you. I appreciate it brother. I didn’t expect to be confronted by litigating gym rats lol! The end result is what matters to me. They can write outlines to entrap me lol. Well, some are fist pumping the air in triumph and I, well I’m eating my turkey and rice and like meh, it’s the internet, some take pride in Insignificant things. #Stillwinning[/quote]
That’s a good attitude to have. I enjoy discussing this stuff some times even though its all speculation of course. I don’t care if someone uses or doesn’t. It doesn’t diminish their physiques IMO but I like to BS about lifting and all that.
Some people get so worked up over it and consider it a personal attack when you claim one way or the other. I try to stay away from those exchanges but when work is slow I can’t help it instigate a bit for the LOL’s.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
My final point on this spiraling-slowly-out-of-control thread is this: no matter how much AAS you consume, you won’t be comparable to Cutler, Coleman, et al, withput genetics and a strong work ethic period. Can you be big as the Hulk on 4 grams of AAS a week? Fuck yeah u can. But, in the sports were symmetry, and shape along with muscularity, nice bellies and insertions is what wins. This drugs at all cost theories troubles me. Are sponsors liars? Perhaps. Who in America isn’t lied to by crafty marketing? If you think taking a $65 jar of creatine monohydrate and vitamin C is gonna make you look like Lee Priest, you might need to stop buying supps altogether. For those who think retardly high cycles are the only the way to be successful, I wish you much luck brothers.[/quote]
Lol.
And do you think that Coleman would be where he is had he not used high dosages?
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
What some guys don’t understand are drugs aren’t everything as far as end results go but hey what do I know, not like I have a doctorate.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone had said that drugs are everything but a properly executed drug regimen is almost as important as proper nutrition and training.
Don’t you think? [/quote]
I agree. But problem is people base others success on the drugsand drugs alone.it wasn’t a ‘This guy has a spot on diet, and training plan’ its more a, “Gee, I wonder how much drugs he’s pushing??” The debate is always turned into a withhunt. Thats whats annoying.[/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
… I like to BS about lifting and all that.
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How dare you BS about lifting! Only serious talk is allowed. Under no circumstance may a forum member discuss bodybuilging for entertainment or to satisfy curiosity or for diversion. Speculation and opinions are not allowed either.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Rumour is Phil Heath uses deer antler spray…shit no wonder he’s won the Olympia two times in a row.[/quote]
Noooooooooooooooooo!!! Por Que Phil! ¡¡¡Por quuuuuuueeeee!!!
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
lol @ kai greene 235 and natty
most bb’er were using since their teens so we have no idea how they would look without it[/quote]
exactly… it’s funny/sad that people believe this bs…
but oh well[/quote]
You guys must not spend much time around big dudes.
I knew guys who were bigger than that and they did was eat Mc Donald’s all day and play basketball.
Maybe you guys just aren’t cut out for this.
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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
I smell a conspiracy theory. You guys are right, more drugs and stacks equal champions- Just look at Palumbo, more drugs mean better looking bodybuilders right?
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Look at Cutler since he turned pro
Look at Kai since he turned pro
Look at Heath since he turned pro
Look at Jason Huh since he turned pro
Look at Dorian Yates since
Look at …
Do you think these guys progress from their pro debut to now or at the top of their reign is caused by training/diet/genetics… or a change in drug use?
This is what is being said here, not sure why anyone would argue about this[/quote]
your Engrish is improving
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]
I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.
Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.
Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.
Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.
Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
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brick’s right. you really just can let people have a discussion on anything that isnt inline with your beliefs without you trying to shut them down or insult them.
drugs play a much larger role than you and alot of others make out on this bored. pros would not be anywhere near the size they are now without the massive amounts of AAS, test, insulin and growth hormone they use.
are they the only factor in pro bodybuilding, no. but they are one of the most important.