Natural or Not? (Everyone's Favorite Game)

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:
Oh and Mr.Walkaway, thanks for making me want to do steroids even more asshole. I’m holding out til my late 20’s early 30’s tho, but you’re not helping bro…lol[/quote]

everyone says it’s a HUGE choice and a big commitment…

take it from me bro… it’s not that big of a deal

… at all

it’s like snickers says… “hungry? why wait”

are you hungry for great gains/recovery/strength/etc?[/quote]
x2[/quote]
Aww…come on little nigga. Half your posts have to be “X2” LMFAO!

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” [/quote]

you have to be kidding me… Grams of AAS/week + IGF1/GH/pepties + loads of insulin + synthol (to stretch fascia) + myostatin inhibitors = finishing touches?

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
more drugs dont always equal mo big. [/quote]

umm… they actually do. More gains and more side effects

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:

Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. [/quote]

im sure you are a nice guy savage, so i mean this in the most respectful way possible… you have no clue what you are talking about here…

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
People are under the impression drugs-at-all cost makes IFBB pro. Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” not the entire process, more drugs dont always equal mo big. Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. You can shot Tren right in dick if you want, don’t mean you’ll make it to any posedown round with Phil Heath. It’s life. Shrugs[/quote]

You may be a bit off there. Drugs at the Pro level are a HUGE aspect of the process. While all IFBB Pros have great genes, its not the training or diet that makes the difference between 1st and 10th place, its finding the right combination of drugs that best suits the individual and its a small truckload of everything plus designer drugs. The top prep coaches are not really training or diet experts but more so self-made biochemists with access to everything.

But the standard answer on how did you get so huge and ripped will continue: I used all the stuff my sponsors make.

Hopefully with the internet around, fewer young guys fall for this fantasy.

That and “accidentally getting into contest shape”.

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[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:
Oh and Mr.Walkaway, thanks for making me want to do steroids even more asshole. I’m holding out til my late 20’s early 30’s tho, but you’re not helping bro…lol[/quote]

everyone says it’s a HUGE choice and a big commitment…

take it from me bro… it’s not that big of a deal

… at all

it’s like snickers says… “hungry? why wait”

are you hungry for great gains/recovery/strength/etc?[/quote]
x2[/quote]
Aww…come on little nigga. Half your posts have to be “X2” LMFAO![/quote]
That’s not true! That’s impossible!

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^ Yeah it is!!! Haha alright alright I’m done…

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A little up date boys… Big Bad Brock wants to fight me now uh oh…What do I do guys??? Do i run and hide from the roid monster? Lmfao yeah right like I’ve ever been afraid to get my ass beat lol.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” [/quote]

you have to be kidding me… Grams of AAS/week + IGF1/GH/pepties + loads of insulin + synthol (to stretch fascia) + myostatin inhibitors = finishing touches?

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
more drugs dont always equal mo big. [/quote]

umm… they actually do. More gains and more side effects

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:

Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. [/quote]

im sure you are a nice guy savage, so i mean this in the most respectful way possible… you have no clue what you are talking about here…[/quote]
Do I know everything? Meh, not really. But you’re opened my eyes to the fact that my opinions are not based on bro science, and you sir, are thelight of my salvation. To think, I’ve made this far in boggling. Thank you. Thank you so much. Can I still sign up for your seminar next month?

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” [/quote]

you have to be kidding me… Grams of AAS/week + IGF1/GH/pepties + loads of insulin + synthol (to stretch fascia) + myostatin inhibitors = finishing touches?

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
more drugs dont always equal mo big. [/quote]

umm… they actually do. More gains and more side effects

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:

Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. [/quote]

im sure you are a nice guy savage, so i mean this in the most respectful way possible… you have no clue what you are talking about here…[/quote]
Do I know everything? Meh, not really. But you’re opened my eyes to the fact that my opinions are not based on bro science, and you sir, are thelight of my salvation. To think, I’ve made this far in boggling. Thank you. Thank you so much. Can I still sign up for your seminar next month?
[/quote]

no need to be sarcastic.

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
People are under the impression drugs-at-all cost makes IFBB pro. Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” not the entire process, more drugs dont always equal mo big. Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. You can shot Tren right in dick if you want, don’t mean you’ll make it to any posedown round with Phil Heath. It’s life. Shrugs[/quote]

I would have to disagree. 1999 Kai and 2013 Kai is way more then a finishing touch. He added a whole other half a person to his body.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
People are under the impression drugs-at-all cost makes IFBB pro. Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” not the entire process, more drugs dont always equal mo big. Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. You can shot Tren right in dick if you want, don’t mean you’ll make it to any posedown round with Phil Heath. It’s life. Shrugs[/quote]

I would have to disagree. 1999 Kai and 2013 Kai is way more then a finishing touch. He added a whole other half a person to his body.[/quote]

this i respect the fuck out of IFBB pros. but drugs are not finishing touches, they are a very large part of the world of bodybuilding today.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
People are under the impression drugs-at-all cost makes IFBB pro. Now I don’t have the ‘Mr. Olympia for Dummies’ on hand with me, but I’m pretty sure drugs are “the finishing touches” not the entire process, more drugs dont always equal mo big. Using AAS and relying on them blurs the lines of attainable muscle gains and longevity. You can shot Tren right in dick if you want, don’t mean you’ll make it to any posedown round with Phil Heath. It’s life. Shrugs[/quote]

I would have to disagree. 1999 Kai and 2013 Kai is way more then a finishing touch. He added a whole other half a person to his body.[/quote]

this i respect the fuck out of IFBB pros. but drugs are not finishing touches, they are a very large part of the world of bodybuilding today.[/quote]

exactly, and a lot of top BBer’s stopped working with Oscar (a guy who trained Kai), because his drug regimens were too instense…

savagenation, i was being respectful, i dont understand the nature of your reply?

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The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.

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[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:
Oh and Mr.Walkaway, thanks for making me want to do steroids even more asshole. I’m holding out til my late 20’s early 30’s tho, but you’re not helping bro…lol[/quote]

everyone says it’s a HUGE choice and a big commitment…

take it from me bro… it’s not that big of a deal

… at all

it’s like snickers says… “hungry? why wait”

are you hungry for great gains/recovery/strength/etc?[/quote]
x2[/quote]
Aww…come on little nigga. Half your posts have to be “X2” LMFAO![/quote]
since when was it ok to use the N word and then brag about your progress in spite of inconsistency? what’s your zip# we live in the same state

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. [/quote]

well a number of IFBB pros + logic disagree, but i digress.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
[/quote]

Shall people send you PM’s containing drafts of posts for your approval from now on considering it appears you have a strong desire to function as forum mayor?

People are allowed to discuss shit for the sake of it, for entertainment, to fulfill curiosity, shoot the shit, or whatever!

Do you try to do the same in real life to, go to social places or anywhere there are human beings, and butt in and insult or criticize or correct or re-direct, every time someone says something not to your liking?! For someone who claims people follow him around, you sure do just that.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
[/quote]

Shall people send you PM’s containing drafts of posts for your approval from now on considering it appears you have a strong desire to function as forum mayor?

People are allowed to discuss shit for the sake of it, for entertainment, to fulfill curiosity, shoot the shit, or whatever!

Do you try to do the same in real life to, go to social places or anywhere there are human beings, and butt in and insult or criticize or correct or re-direct, every time someone says something not to your liking?! For someone who claims people follow him around, you sure do just that.[/quote]

get off the clomid bro

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
[/quote]

Shall people send you PM’s containing drafts of posts for your approval from now on considering it appears you have a strong desire to function as forum mayor?

People are allowed to discuss shit for the sake of it, for entertainment, to fulfill curiosity, shoot the shit, or whatever!

Do you try to do the same in real life to, go to social places or anywhere there are human beings, and butt in and insult or criticize or correct or re-direct, every time someone says something not to your liking?! For someone who claims people follow him around, you sure do just that.[/quote]

get off the clomid bro[/quote]

Gosh you’re so funny.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
[/quote]

Shall people send you PM’s containing drafts of posts for your approval from now on considering it appears you have a strong desire to function as forum mayor?

People are allowed to discuss shit for the sake of it, for entertainment, to fulfill curiosity, shoot the shit, or whatever!

Do you try to do the same in real life to, go to social places or anywhere there are human beings, and butt in and insult or criticize or correct or re-direct, every time someone says something not to your liking?! For someone who claims people follow him around, you sure do just that.[/quote]
Who is this directed towards?

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[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
The original sense of direction in my post got lost in translation lol. The thing about bodybuilding is, nothing is clear-cut or varifyible. Bodybuilding probably has more old wives tales than a fairy tale (Is that a fair analogy? Award Savage half a point.). Like everything, you have to see what works for you. If 2 grams of test a week good for you, then by all means go for it (intelligently). I guess I was saying some pros and amateurs boast by heavy doses, while theres a countless group that suppement lot less.would I would’ve said that more drugs dont mean successful pro as seen by some confessed cycle monsters. Just my opinion of course.[/quote]

I agree. It even comes down to the genetics of how someone responds to drugs. More drugs do NOT always equal more gains. If people lack the genes to gain much size, more drugs won’t produce it out of thin air.

Kai Greene was a freak with rumors that he was a lean 235lbs before ever using anything at his height.

Either way, the point is, there are too many variables…and there seems to be a quest on this board for people to throw concrete constants around as if this is the rule for everyone.

Most of the people I have known who use do NOT reach super human size. Genetics/training is everything.

Today drugs are a very large part of the scene…but that doesn’t mean everyone is using the same shit or needs to…and it doesn’t mean that drugs are the main focus of bodybuilding.
[/quote]

Shall people send you PM’s containing drafts of posts for your approval from now on considering it appears you have a strong desire to function as forum mayor?

People are allowed to discuss shit for the sake of it, for entertainment, to fulfill curiosity, shoot the shit, or whatever!

Do you try to do the same in real life to, go to social places or anywhere there are human beings, and butt in and insult or criticize or correct or re-direct, every time someone says something not to your liking?! For someone who claims people follow him around, you sure do just that.[/quote]
Who is this directed towards?
[/quote]

X.

You seem like a friendly, level headed guy, so I wouldn’t direct that to you.