Didn’t read the rest of the page because the first page was already too much so this may bite me in the ass somehow.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
Kinda awesome. I still don’t believe any life exists beyond our planet. [/quote]
Why?[/quote]
Because the Nat Geo channel drives me insane. I’m a junkie for anything about the planets, but it drives me nuts to hear all these scientists explain something in detail and then turn around and assert there HAS to be life out there. Why? When pressed for an answer they turn into the 12 year kid who thinks you’re on steroids because you are big. ‘Because space it just so damn big it must be so’. [/quote]
Someone doesn’t understand statistics and how relevant they are.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
LOL @ Stephen Hawking.
Note to others who want to be famous one day:
Talk about nonexistent stuff, non stop.
Make sure it appeals to the star trek/other neglected youths crowd.
When no one cares anymore, break your legs and talk through a speak and spell. [/quote]
Holy shit… you have no idea what you’re talking about. This was an impressive amount of ignorance.
It’s taken 2 billion years for life to get to our stage? You mean it’s taken the entirety of time as we know it (13 billion years) for life to get to where we are. Aliens aren’t guaranteed to be even at our stage of development. As depressing as it sounds, we might be the pinnacle of technological advancement.[/quote]
Yes, because every possible planet formed at the same time as ours. Oh, what, our galaxy is three times older than the Earth? Bollocks. Square one.
In all honesty, the assumption that there have been NO aliens within even passing proximity that’ve occurred before us is bunk to the extreme. I’m actually astonished that we haven’t found the remains (like a flag or some shit) of previous Earth-based life (probably squids) on the moon yet.
Just as a discussion point, it is theoretically possible to move faster than the speed of light. It involves some crazy shit with bending the fabric of space time in front of and behind a spacecraft. There are a lot of complications and the technology is thousands of years away, but its possible.
Also, we already have technology that lets us accelerate slowly for long periods of time. They are called ion thrusters and use small streams of ions to propel the craft. It starts out slow but after a few years of constant acceleration in space shit gets really fast.
I think it would be completely balla if there really was some sort of space fraternity of aliens who were watching us, waiting for us to evolve and mature to the point where we’re ready to join them. So after we stop bombing each other and jihadding and all that crap, we start working together, make it past our galaxy or something and the aliens meet us up and give us all their secrets. Like “welcome bros, try this warp drive it rocks.”
It’s taken 2 billion years for life to get to our stage? You mean it’s taken the entirety of time as we know it (13 billion years) for life to get to where we are. Aliens aren’t guaranteed to be even at our stage of development. As depressing as it sounds, we might be the pinnacle of technological advancement.[/quote]
Yes, because every possible planet formed at the same time as ours. Oh, what, our galaxy is three times older than the Earth? Bollocks. Square one.
In all honesty, the assumption that there have been NO aliens within even passing proximity that’ve occurred before us is bunk to the extreme. I’m actually astonished that we haven’t found the remains (like a flag or some shit) of previous Earth-based life (probably squids) on the moon yet.
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Wow, really? What the fuck is wrong with you? We might be the first planet capable of life, we might not be. That’s the point. Jesus. Can you not see where I wrote we MIGHT BE the pinnacle of technological advancement? Not ARE, MIGHT BE.
It’s taken 2 billion years for life to get to our stage? You mean it’s taken the entirety of time as we know it (13 billion years) for life to get to where we are. Aliens aren’t guaranteed to be even at our stage of development. As depressing as it sounds, we might be the pinnacle of technological advancement.[/quote]
Yes, because every possible planet formed at the same time as ours. Oh, what, our galaxy is three times older than the Earth? Bollocks. Square one.
In all honesty, the assumption that there have been NO aliens within even passing proximity that’ve occurred before us is bunk to the extreme. I’m actually astonished that we haven’t found the remains (like a flag or some shit) of previous Earth-based life (probably squids) on the moon yet.
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Wow, really? What the fuck is wrong with you? We might be the first planet capable of life, we might not be. That’s the point. Jesus. Can you not see where I wrote we MIGHT BE the pinnacle of technological advancement? Not ARE, MIGHT BE.[/quote]
Well, at least you’re consistent you crap all over every thread you enter. Oh and why the reflection on “Jesus” you said he doesn’t exist.
Don’t let him bother you Ithiel, he acts this way on every thread he enters. Posts a meaningless cartoon, insults whomever disagrees with him and then he moves on.
“At its conference today, NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe-Simon will announce that NASA has found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the bacteria uses arsenic. All life on Earth is made of six components: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. Every being, from the smallest amoeba to the largest whale, shares the same life stream. Our DNA blocks are all the same.”
Very cool stuff.[/quote]
It is cool stuff. I watched the live interview of the scientists who made this discovery and they were like kids they were so excited about it. I don’t see how there cannot be other forms of life elsewhere in the universe. But I highly doubt that it will be found any time soon.
“At its conference today, NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe-Simon will announce that NASA has found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the bacteria uses arsenic. All life on Earth is made of six components: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. Every being, from the smallest amoeba to the largest whale, shares the same life stream. Our DNA blocks are all the same.”
Very cool stuff.[/quote]
It is cool stuff. I watched the live interview of the scientists who made this discovery and they were like kids they were so excited about it. I don’t see how there cannot be other forms of life elsewhere in the universe. But I highly doubt that it will be found any time soon.
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I’m coming in this way too late to read all these posts so if this has already been said, sorry.
Finding ‘different life’ (different DNA) is very important for the concept of life elsewhere in the universe. All life on our planet has similar DNA in that it all spirals in the same direction and is made up of the same materials. From that fact we can only know that life on this planet originated from one source. Finding a life with different DNA would indicate that life occurred at least two different times on this planet. If we know life happened more than once we can have a higher confidence that life would happen on other worlds.
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
A one in a million chance isn’t that terrible of odds if you have 10 million chances.[/quote]
Yes, but the odds are worse than that. And, I’m not sure if you have ever played a game of chance, but sometimes “chance” is not on your side. Say there is 1 in 1 million for intelligent life on a planet. You have earth…and nothing so far. It could be that the other 9 chances out of the 10 million have already past, already came or just aren’t there.[/quote]
Firstly, that is what is called an “example” using a very common English phrase to describe something miraculous (“a one in a million chance”). Substitute in whatever figures you want there, the point still stands.
Second, I hate to break it to you but chance is not some magical entity or quality that is with you or not. I see what you are trying to say, but flipping a coin 10 times (hell even 100 or 1000 times) is not anything in the realm of comparable to 10 million or 100 trillion times.
I am trying to find links to it, but apparently coin flipping contests are held somewhat regularly and when they exam the ratio of heads to tails instances they almost always come out either 50/50 or nearly so. Point- on a long enough time scale probability ALWAYS plays out. This is how casinos stay in business and profit massively even on games that only give them a 51% chance of winning (black jack or poker I believe have such odds if you are skilled).
“At its conference today, NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe-Simon will announce that NASA has found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the bacteria uses arsenic. All life on Earth is made of six components: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. Every being, from the smallest amoeba to the largest whale, shares the same life stream. Our DNA blocks are all the same.”
Very cool stuff.[/quote]
It is cool stuff. I watched the live interview of the scientists who made this discovery and they were like kids they were so excited about it. I don’t see how there cannot be other forms of life elsewhere in the universe. But I highly doubt that it will be found any time soon.
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I’m coming in this way too late to read all these posts so if this has already been said, sorry.
Finding ‘different life’ (different DNA) is very important for the concept of life elsewhere in the universe. All life on our planet has similar DNA in that it all spirals in the same direction and is made up of the same materials. From that fact we can only know that life on this planet originated from one source. Finding a life with different DNA would indicate that life occurred at least two different times on this planet. If we know life happened more than once we can have a higher confidence that life would happen on other worlds.
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Well said and essentially what the scientists talked about on the interview that I watched. Did you happen to see it?
It’s taken 2 billion years for life to get to our stage? You mean it’s taken the entirety of time as we know it (13 billion years) for life to get to where we are. Aliens aren’t guaranteed to be even at our stage of development. As depressing as it sounds, we might be the pinnacle of technological advancement.[/quote]
Yes, because every possible planet formed at the same time as ours. Oh, what, our galaxy is three times older than the Earth? Bollocks. Square one.
In all honesty, the assumption that there have been NO aliens within even passing proximity that’ve occurred before us is bunk to the extreme. I’m actually astonished that we haven’t found the remains (like a flag or some shit) of previous Earth-based life (probably squids) on the moon yet.
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Wow, really? What the fuck is wrong with you? We might be the first planet capable of life, we might not be. That’s the point. Jesus. Can you not see where I wrote we MIGHT BE the pinnacle of technological advancement? Not ARE, MIGHT BE.[/quote]
Well, at least you’re consistent you crap all over every thread you enter. Oh and why the reflection on “Jesus” you said he doesn’t exist.
Don’t let him bother you Ithiel, he acts this way on every thread he enters. Posts a meaningless cartoon, insults whomever disagrees with him and then he moves on.
He’s a punk.
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I get that you don’t like me, stop using that as a reason to try and derail threads.
Wow, really? What the fuck is wrong with you? We might be the first planet capable of life, we might not be. That’s the point. Jesus. Can you not see where I wrote we MIGHT BE the pinnacle of technological advancement? Not ARE, MIGHT BE.[/quote]
Well then, I suppose I respect your right to point out that a given hypothesis may or may not be true.
It’s taken 2 billion years for life to get to our stage? You mean it’s taken the entirety of time as we know it (13 billion years) for life to get to where we are. Aliens aren’t guaranteed to be even at our stage of development. As depressing as it sounds, we might be the pinnacle of technological advancement.[/quote]
Yes, because every possible planet formed at the same time as ours. Oh, what, our galaxy is three times older than the Earth? Bollocks. Square one.
In all honesty, the assumption that there have been NO aliens within even passing proximity that’ve occurred before us is bunk to the extreme. I’m actually astonished that we haven’t found the remains (like a flag or some shit) of previous Earth-based life (probably squids) on the moon yet.
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Wow, really? What the fuck is wrong with you? We might be the first planet capable of life, we might not be. That’s the point. Jesus. Can you not see where I wrote we MIGHT BE the pinnacle of technological advancement? Not ARE, MIGHT BE.[/quote]
Well, at least you’re consistent you crap all over every thread you enter. Oh and why the reflection on “Jesus” you said he doesn’t exist.
Don’t let him bother you Ithiel, he acts this way on every thread he enters. Posts a meaningless cartoon, insults whomever disagrees with him and then he moves on.
He’s a punk.
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I get that you don’t like me, stop using that as a reason to try and derail threads.[/quote]
That’s not even relevant - I’ve posted my thoughts on topic on this very thread, PAY ATENTION. You don’t even know what’s going on. And just as an aside, there are not many on this site that actually likeyou. Ah, but you know that right? Right?
I posted this in the aliens exist thread. It looks like this one is gettin a bit more attention so i’ll put it here. Interested in what you guys have to say…
“Something i was thinking about… Many people are bringing up the argument that because of the bajillions and bajillions of other planets in the universe, the chances are very high that life could be sustainable on a shit ton of them and therefore aliens exist. The reason i don’t think this argument is valid is because we have no idea what the chances are of life ever being formed on a planet that is perfectly capable of sustaining life. It could be 1 to 1.0 x 10 ^ 1000 odds for all we know. We as a “life form” just happened to beat those odds. Not saying that aliens don’t exist, just something to think about. Prove me wrong if you can. I’m honestly not very knowledgeable at all in this area (but who is?).”
[quote]TD54 wrote:
I posted this in the aliens exist thread. It looks like this one is gettin a bit more attention so i’ll put it here. Interested in what you guys have to say…
“Something i was thinking about… Many people are bringing up the argument that because of the bajillions and bajillions of other planets in the universe, the chances are very high that life could be sustainable on a shit ton of them and therefore aliens exist. The reason i don’t think this argument is valid is because we have no idea what the chances are of life ever being formed on a planet that is perfectly capable of sustaining life. It could be 1 to 1.0 x 10 ^ 1000 odds for all we know. We as a “life form” just happened to beat those odds. Not saying that aliens don’t exist, just something to think about. Prove me wrong if you can. I’m honestly not very knowledgeable at all in this area (but who is?).”
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There’s something called the “Drake equation” for figuring out if there are any other planets with life. The short answer from that equation is about 3.3 new planets per year where life forms.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
I posted this in the aliens exist thread. It looks like this one is gettin a bit more attention so i’ll put it here. Interested in what you guys have to say…
“Something i was thinking about… Many people are bringing up the argument that because of the bajillions and bajillions of other planets in the universe, the chances are very high that life could be sustainable on a shit ton of them and therefore aliens exist. The reason i don’t think this argument is valid is because we have no idea what the chances are of life ever being formed on a planet that is perfectly capable of sustaining life. It could be 1 to 1.0 x 10 ^ 1000 odds for all we know. We as a “life form” just happened to beat those odds. Not saying that aliens don’t exist, just something to think about. Prove me wrong if you can. I’m honestly not very knowledgeable at all in this area (but who is?).”
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There’s something called the “Drake equation” for figuring out if there are any other planets with life. The short answer from that equation is about 3.3 new planets per year where life forms.
If you want to believe it.
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yeah i remember seeing this a while back. It’s interesting to think about, but in the end there are waaaay too many assumptions and unproven or factually supported estimations made in the equation
[quote]TD54 wrote:
I posted this in the aliens exist thread. It looks like this one is gettin a bit more attention so i’ll put it here. Interested in what you guys have to say…
“Something i was thinking about… Many people are bringing up the argument that because of the bajillions and bajillions of other planets in the universe, the chances are very high that life could be sustainable on a shit ton of them and therefore aliens exist. The reason i don’t think this argument is valid is because we have no idea what the chances are of life ever being formed on a planet that is perfectly capable of sustaining life. It could be 1 to 1.0 x 10 ^ 1000 odds for all we know. We as a “life form” just happened to beat those odds. Not saying that aliens don’t exist, just something to think about. Prove me wrong if you can. I’m honestly not very knowledgeable at all in this area (but who is?).”
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There’s something called the “Drake equation” for figuring out if there are any other planets with life. The short answer from that equation is about 3.3 new planets per year where life forms.
If you want to believe it.
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yeah i remember seeing this a while back. It’s interesting to think about, but in the end there are waaaay too many assumptions and unproven or factually supported estimations made in the equation
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I agree, and when I see science take that sort of twist I have to question it. By the way do you really think that we’ll actually find out if there is life on any other planets in the near future?
[quote]TD54 wrote:
I posted this in the aliens exist thread. It looks like this one is gettin a bit more attention so i’ll put it here. Interested in what you guys have to say…
“Something i was thinking about… Many people are bringing up the argument that because of the bajillions and bajillions of other planets in the universe, the chances are very high that life could be sustainable on a shit ton of them and therefore aliens exist. The reason i don’t think this argument is valid is because we have no idea what the chances are of life ever being formed on a planet that is perfectly capable of sustaining life. It could be 1 to 1.0 x 10 ^ 1000 odds for all we know. We as a “life form” just happened to beat those odds. Not saying that aliens don’t exist, just something to think about. Prove me wrong if you can. I’m honestly not very knowledgeable at all in this area (but who is?).”
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There’s something called the “Drake equation” for figuring out if there are any other planets with life. The short answer from that equation is about 3.3 new planets per year where life forms.
If you want to believe it.
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yeah i remember seeing this a while back. It’s interesting to think about, but in the end there are waaaay too many assumptions and unproven or factually supported estimations made in the equation
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I agree, and when I see science take that sort of twist I have to question it. By the way do you really think that we’ll actually find out if there is life on any other planets in the near future?
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I have no idea, and i don’t think any of the leading scientists in the field could have even the slightest idea as to our chances of finding life elsewhere soon or in the very distant future. I’m not convinced that there even is life on other planets. I’m sure there are millions upon millions of planets that can support life, but that doesn’t seem to be the issue or the argument to me. I’m not sure that it’s even possible for life to spontaneously be created. Going from “not alive” to “alive” seems like a ridiculously unlikely occurrence, if possible at all hah. If however it was possible for life to be created spontaneously, we couldn’t possibly know the probability of it because we only have one planet to base the probability off of. Like i said in my first post, maybe life on this planet beat the odds of 1 to 1(followed by a thousand zeros). If that was the case there definitely isn’t other life forms out there to even detect. A simple response to the question though… I have no fucking clue hah
