NAACP Plays Race Card on Tea Party

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]Dabba wrote:

I don’t necessarily agree with the tea party, but isn’t this kind of missing the point? Isn’t the point that they’re here NOW and that that’s all that matters? Granted, by the very nature of politics people are hypocritical and tend to “take sides”, so from that standpoint you have good reason to be frustrated.

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Because it’s disingenuous, and shrinks a potentially larger coalition.

If the Tea Party was really about small government, and their candidates were really independently minded, and could feel comfortable throwing out all the social conservative BS - (That’s not to say alter their personal ethics/morals/religion/exe, but take a stand that their personal beliefs ethics/morals/religion/exe have no place in the federal government.) - they would suddenly have many more allies.

There are many on the left who might “like” a single-payer system, or “like” a more comprehensive welfare program… but in the here and now would vote for a candidate who wants to reign in spending, balance the budget, end the wars, restore civil liberties, reign in the executive, exe. But they will NEVER do that if there’s the whiff of the moral majority in the air.[/quote]

Take a look at Rand Paul. He is what the Tea Party is about.

With a guy like Rand he is one that all sides can look too. He wants to get the federal government out of the drug business(end the war on drugs), he wants to reign in spending, pull bases around the world, make the afghan people take over the business of patrolling the streets.

There is something in there for everyone. I think once people see him in office the left will finally see that he can be just as liked by them as he is liked by libertarians/conservatives.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Because it’s disingenuous, and shrinks a potentially larger coalition.[/quote]

However, they can’t change the past and I do believe that some of them (certainly the small amount of libertarians) do indeed regret not protesting more during the Bush era. No point in dwelling on it anymore. NOW we need change, and NOW we need a movement. Of course, right now I’m assuming that the tea party CAN actually change things, which I don’t really believe, but that is a different discussion.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
All that same imagery was used by liberal groups against bush.[/quote]

And if the imagery were used by blacks against Bush, it would be racist too. But I don’t remember going to any anti-war protests and seeing a bunch of angry blacks calling Bush a honky. But I do remember going to a couple Tea Party protests and seeing/hearing a lot of people, albeit not a majority at all, calling Obama nigger and other such slurs.[/quote]
I have to agree with this. Obviously the Tea Party does not endorse the few racist people that attend the gatherings, but they ARE there. They are often holding racist signs or shouting racist comments. What the NAACP is pissed about (from what I’ve heard) is that not all politicians are acknowledging this or coming out against these people (i.e. Sarah Palin?). There are some Tea Party politicians that have in fact acknowledged that these racists aren’t apart of their Tea Party movement, so the NAACP has no gripes with them.[/quote]

You can say the same about every political group ever. They all have fringe elements. The tea parties have done more to denounce these elements than any other group I can remember. Just because there are a couple racists that show up at a gathering doesn’t mean racism is a part of the movement.[/quote]
Well we agree with each other then, but I don’t recall the Tea Party being too active against their racist ‘fringe-people’.[/quote]

Condemning it publicly, condemning it at meetings. It’s not their fault if the media doesn’t air it.

Like I said what haven’t they done. And what have other groups done that they havent?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
All that same imagery was used by liberal groups against bush.[/quote]

And if the imagery were used by blacks against Bush, it would be racist too. But I don’t remember going to any anti-war protests and seeing a bunch of angry blacks calling Bush a honky. But I do remember going to a couple Tea Party protests and seeing/hearing a lot of people, albeit not a majority at all, calling Obama nigger and other such slurs.[/quote]

You went to anti war protests AND Tea Party protests??? I am calling bullshit.[/quote]

Back when the Iraq War first started up I was going to school at San Jose State and working in SF. I got stuck in two massive protests in SF and there was a different fucking anti-war protest at SJSU every week, albeit much smaller than the ones in SF.

I was at the first Tea Party protest (a big one) in Sacramento about a year and a half ago and I went to a large one here in downtown Chico about a year ago.

I just find it odd that the Tea Partyers all came out of the woodwork before Obama was even inaugurated whereas they were nowhere to be found before then. I understand the general Tea Party philosophies and I am 100% behind them. But the stuff that is being protested by them, namely huge deficits/deficit spending were going on before Obama was even the Democratic nominee.

Yes the current deficit under Obama is the largest we’ve ever seen, but when Bush ran it through the roof it was the largest we’d seen at that point. Where were the Tea Partyers then? I simply find it odd that it took the election of a black President to bring out these people. I understand that on the surface the complaint is Obama’s fiscal policies, but you’d have to be a fool to argue that the previous administration didn’t also have some backwards fiscal policies.

I’m also aware that there are many within the Tea Party who see the racist element within it as a major albatross around its neck. So I’m not trying to label the Tea Party as a whole as a racist entity. But I’ve been to Tea Party events and I’ve seen a lot of racism expressed there. Those who say, “but the libs did the same thing to Bush” miss the point. The issue isn’t about who is more racist or out of line than the other. The issue, to me anyways, is whether or not the racist element within the TP is detrimental to its long-term viability. When there are so many who refuse to even acknowledge that some of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from the TP is at least inconspicuously racist-fueled, this is a problem. I regret seeing this issue being minimized because when all is said and done, I believe in the TP philosophy to a certain extent. That’s why I’ve been a registered Libertarian for more than 12 years. The fiscal responsibility/conservativeness from the LP is common to the TP and I want to see this philosophy enacted by our govt.

But don’t tell me for one second that there aren’t some very visible racists within the TP and that their existence is not a problem for the TP.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
All that same imagery was used by liberal groups against bush.[/quote]

And if the imagery were used by blacks against Bush, it would be racist too. But I don’t remember going to any anti-war protests and seeing a bunch of angry blacks calling Bush a honky. But I do remember going to a couple Tea Party protests and seeing/hearing a lot of people, albeit not a majority at all, calling Obama nigger and other such slurs.[/quote]
I have to agree with this. Obviously the Tea Party does not endorse the few racist people that attend the gatherings, but they ARE there. They are often holding racist signs or shouting racist comments. What the NAACP is pissed about (from what I’ve heard) is that not all politicians are acknowledging this or coming out against these people (i.e. Sarah Palin?). There are some Tea Party politicians that have in fact acknowledged that these racists aren’t apart of their Tea Party movement, so the NAACP has no gripes with them.[/quote]

You can say the same about every political group ever. They all have fringe elements. The tea parties have done more to denounce these elements than any other group I can remember. Just because there are a couple racists that show up at a gathering doesn’t mean racism is a part of the movement.[/quote]
Well we agree with each other then, but I don’t recall the Tea Party being too active against their racist ‘fringe-people’.[/quote]

Anytime they see racist or even inappropriate signs at a gathering they ask them to either get rid of it or leave. As well as they denounce them. What more do you want?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
All that same imagery was used by liberal groups against bush.[/quote]

And if the imagery were used by blacks against Bush, it would be racist too. But I don’t remember going to any anti-war protests and seeing a bunch of angry blacks calling Bush a honky. But I do remember going to a couple Tea Party protests and seeing/hearing a lot of people, albeit not a majority at all, calling Obama nigger and other such slurs.[/quote]

You went to anti war protests AND Tea Party protests??? I am calling bullshit.[/quote]

Back when the Iraq War first started up I was going to school at San Jose State and working in SF. I got stuck in two massive protests in SF and there was a different fucking anti-war protest at SJSU every week, albeit much smaller than the ones in SF.

I was at the first Tea Party protest (a big one) in Sacramento about a year and a half ago and I went to a large one here in downtown Chico about a year ago.

I just find it odd that the Tea Partyers all came out of the woodwork before Obama was even inaugurated whereas they were nowhere to be found before then. I understand the general Tea Party philosophies and I am 100% behind them. But the stuff that is being protested by them, namely huge deficits/deficit spending were going on before Obama was even the Democratic nominee.

Yes the current deficit under Obama is the largest we’ve ever seen, but when Bush ran it through the roof it was the largest we’d seen at that point. Where were the Tea Partyers then? I simply find it odd that it took the election of a black President to bring out these people. I understand that on the surface the complaint is Obama’s fiscal policies, but you’d have to be a fool to argue that the previous administration didn’t also have some backwards fiscal policies.

I’m also aware that there are many within the Tea Party who see the racist element within it as a major albatross around its neck. So I’m not trying to label the Tea Party as a whole as a racist entity. But I’ve been to Tea Party events and I’ve seen a lot of racism expressed there. Those who say, “but the libs did the same thing to Bush” miss the point. The issue isn’t about who is more racist or out of line than the other. The issue, to me anyways, is whether or not the racist element within the TP is detrimental to its long-term viability. When there are so many who refuse to even acknowledge that some of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from the TP is at least inconspicuously racist-fueled, this is a problem. I regret seeing this issue being minimized because when all is said and done, I believe in the TP philosophy to a certain extent. That’s why I’ve been a registered Libertarian for more than 12 years. The fiscal responsibility/conservativeness from the LP is common to the TP and I want to see this philosophy enacted by our govt.

But don’t tell me for one second that there aren’t some very visible racists within the TP and that their existence is not a problem for the TP.[/quote]

Yet no one can produce any evidence. really? This is such BS.

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I want nothing more than to hear people like Glenn beck, who I’m watching right now, acknowledge this problem, rather than continually refer to Bill Ayers and Jim Jones and other shit that happened 30-40 years ago. All I hear when he brings up examples of similar behavior on the part of liberals is “but they do it too! They started it!” There are no solutions being offered. I want to hear the most visible people associated with the TP, people like Glenn Beck or Palin or Ron Paul, denounce this racist element WITHOUT pre-qualifying it by referring to similar behavior from liberals.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

But don’t tell me for one second that there aren’t some very visible racists within the TP and that their existence is not a problem for the TP.[/quote]

I am glad you are being honest with us, but this needs to go both ways.

But don’t tell me for one second that there are not some very visible racists within the NAACP, Democatic Party, DP, and that their existence is not a problem for the NAACP and DP.

When these two groups, NAACP and DP, state something it is their constitutional right, but when the TP states the same thing it is considered Hate. The Late Senator Byrd was a KKK member, and I heard he was a leader, Grand Cyclopes or something like that, and called blacks the N word, but that is ok because he was a Democrat?

Guys I am struggling with the double standard.

We do not hate Obama because he is black. If you beleive this then you really need to rethink that. We do not like Obama because he is taking away our future. I agree Bush did the same thing, but to a smaller extent. I used to vote straight ticket Republican, but when I got a survey from the Republicans that asked about everything except cutting deficits, spending, and taxes, and did not allow me to write in my concerns I started to look at each candidate and make up my mind on each issue before I showed up at the voting booth.

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Black tea partiers rebut NAACP…

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
All that same imagery was used by liberal groups against bush.[/quote]

And if the imagery were used by blacks against Bush, it would be racist too. But I don’t remember going to any anti-war protests and seeing a bunch of angry blacks calling Bush a honky. But I do remember going to a couple Tea Party protests and seeing/hearing a lot of people, albeit not a majority at all, calling Obama nigger and other such slurs.[/quote]

You went to anti war protests AND Tea Party protests??? I am calling bullshit.[/quote]

Back when the Iraq War first started up I was going to school at San Jose State and working in SF. I got stuck in two massive protests in SF and there was a different fucking anti-war protest at SJSU every week, albeit much smaller than the ones in SF.

I was at the first Tea Party protest (a big one) in Sacramento about a year and a half ago and I went to a large one here in downtown Chico about a year ago.

I just find it odd that the Tea Partyers all came out of the woodwork before Obama was even inaugurated whereas they were nowhere to be found before then. I understand the general Tea Party philosophies and I am 100% behind them. But the stuff that is being protested by them, namely huge deficits/deficit spending were going on before Obama was even the Democratic nominee.

Yes the current deficit under Obama is the largest we’ve ever seen, but when Bush ran it through the roof it was the largest we’d seen at that point. Where were the Tea Partyers then? I simply find it odd that it took the election of a black President to bring out these people. I understand that on the surface the complaint is Obama’s fiscal policies, but you’d have to be a fool to argue that the previous administration didn’t also have some backwards fiscal policies.

I’m also aware that there are many within the Tea Party who see the racist element within it as a major albatross around its neck. So I’m not trying to label the Tea Party as a whole as a racist entity. But I’ve been to Tea Party events and I’ve seen a lot of racism expressed there. Those who say, “but the libs did the same thing to Bush” miss the point. The issue isn’t about who is more racist or out of line than the other. The issue, to me anyways, is whether or not the racist element within the TP is detrimental to its long-term viability. When there are so many who refuse to even acknowledge that some of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from the TP is at least inconspicuously racist-fueled, this is a problem. I regret seeing this issue being minimized because when all is said and done, I believe in the TP philosophy to a certain extent. That’s why I’ve been a registered Libertarian for more than 12 years. The fiscal responsibility/conservativeness from the LP is common to the TP and I want to see this philosophy enacted by our govt.

But don’t tell me for one second that there aren’t some very visible racists within the TP and that their existence is not a problem for the TP.[/quote]

Yet no one can produce any evidence. really? This is such BS.[/quote]

If he can’t see that the tea party is about limiting govt. and adherence to the Constitution then he is too stupid to talk to (DBCopper). How many Tea Party events have there been, tons, and where is all the fucking proof of the overabundance of racism, zilch. Yeah, yeah nobody had an uprising when Bush was president. So the fuck what, we have finally had enough of this bullshit overbearing government. Look at us leaving England for American. It took fucking years before breaking off and coming to settle in America, so I guess since we didn’t do it right at the start of oppression we should have never broke off…Bush sucked, Obama sucks, instead of being proud that America is finally waking up to all the bullshit, some want to hold it back because it didn’t happen when they think it should have. stupid reasoning…

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
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The white house with a watermelon patch is your proof that the tea party is racist? get the fuck outta here…How is a internet pic related to them at all…you are stretching big time with this one, or did a tea partier sneak into Michelle Obama’s veggie garden wreck havok. I guess all cats really say LOLZ too in real life.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

But don’t tell me for one second that there aren’t some very visible racists within the TP and that their existence is not a problem for the TP.[/quote]

I am glad you are being honest with us, but this needs to go both ways.

But don’t tell me for one second that there are not some very visible racists within the NAACP, Democatic Party, DP, and that their existence is not a problem for the NAACP and DP.

When these two groups, NAACP and DP, state something it is their constitutional right, but when the TP states the same thing it is considered Hate. The Late Senator Byrd was a KKK member, and I heard he was a leader, Grand Cyclopes or something like that, and called blacks the N word, but that is ok because he was a Democrat?

Guys I am struggling with the double standard.

We do not hate Obama because he is black. If you beleive this then you really need to rethink that. We do not like Obama because he is taking away our future. I agree Bush did the same thing, but to a smaller extent. I used to vote straight ticket Republican, but when I got a survey from the Republicans that asked about everything except cutting deficits, spending, and taxes, and did not allow me to write in my concerns I started to look at each candidate and make up my mind on each issue before I showed up at the voting booth.[/quote]

I’m not saying it’s OK on the part of liberals. There seems to be this underlying view that if one is against the racism within the TP, they’re alright with racism from the opposite side. It’s not an “if one then not the other”-type of thing. The issue here is the TP.

I could give a shit about the NAACP and their racist actions in the past or in the here and now. They aren’t going to be influencing policy of the people I’ll be voting for in 2012. But the TP may very well have an influence on who runs on the Libertarian Party ticket and they may well have someone on the ticket themselves. Chances are I’ll want to vote for one of those two. But neither will have any chance of winning as long as they are somehow attached to these racists who show up at their events.

Chances are they also won’t win if they don’t get up and say once and for all, down with this racist bullshit, WITHOUT bringing up people like Jesse Jackson, Bill Ayers and all the other usual suspects. To many people, including myself, all they hear when they bring up racism from the other side is “it’s not fair! The liberals get away with it! Why can’t we?” Rise up above it instead of dragging around the other side’s racism behind you.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I want nothing more than to hear people like Glenn beck, who I’m watching right now, acknowledge this problem, rather than continually refer to Bill Ayers and Jim Jones and other shit that happened 30-40 years ago. All I hear when he brings up examples of similar behavior on the part of liberals is “but they do it too! They started it!” There are no solutions being offered. I want to hear the most visible people associated with the TP, people like Glenn Beck or Palin or Ron Paul, denounce this racist element WITHOUT pre-qualifying it by referring to similar behavior from liberals.[/quote]

Beck, Palin and paul aren’t leaders of the tea party, the leaders and organizers have. And all the comparison pics are to illustrate that presidents receive that sort of flack black or white and that the pics you posted have nothing to do with race.

Shouldn’t there be some evidence of the racism they need to distance themselves from?

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Inglis said he was shocked during the health care votes as he watched protesters jeering Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who was beaten as a leading civil rights activist in the 1960s.

Inglis said he was too far away during the jeering incident to hear whether the protesters shouted racial epithets, as Lewis and other black lawmakers have claimed. But Inglis said the behavior was threatening and abusive.

“I caught him at the door and said, ‘John, I guess you’ve been here before,’” Inglis said.

Inglis, 50, who calls himself a Jack Kemp disciple because he has emphasized outreach to minorities as the late Republican congressman did, thinks racism is a part of the vitriol directed at President Barack Obama.

“I love the South. I’m a Southerner. But I can feel it,” he said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gMVWMPMusNiWy1BWNNaU9V16LrDwD9GRHQH03

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
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The white house with a watermelon patch is your proof that the tea party is racist? get the fuck outta here…How is a internet pic related to them at all…you are stretching big time with this one, or did a tea partier sneak into Michelle Obama’s veggie garden wreck havok. I guess all cats really say LOLZ too in real life. [/quote]

Jesus fucking Christ. You bit hook, line and sinker on those. I just typed in Tea Party racism on Google and posted the first few pics that I thought were funny. I figured they’d be a good way to rile some shit up.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

Inglis said he was shocked during the health care votes as he watched protesters jeering Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who was beaten as a leading civil rights activist in the 1960s.

Inglis said he was too far away during the jeering incident to hear whether the protesters shouted racial epithets, as Lewis and other black lawmakers have claimed. But Inglis said the behavior was threatening and abusive.

“I caught him at the door and said, ‘John, I guess you’ve been here before,’” Inglis said.

Inglis, 50, who calls himself a Jack Kemp disciple because he has emphasized outreach to minorities as the late Republican congressman did, thinks racism is a part of the vitriol directed at President Barack Obama.

“I love the South. I’m a Southerner. But I can feel it,” he said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gMVWMPMusNiWy1BWNNaU9V16LrDwD9GRHQH03[/quote]

So he got shouted out after helping to pass the most aggressive move toward socialism in US history and that automatically gets equated with racism? He even admits he didn’t hear anything having to do with race. If they were screaming “treasonous asshole!” at him, it might qualify as abusive(he deserves it, but that is besides the point), but not in any way racist.

He can “feel it”? What typical lefty progressive crap…

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
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The white house with a watermelon patch is your proof that the tea party is racist? get the fuck outta here…How is a internet pic related to them at all…you are stretching big time with this one, or did a tea partier sneak into Michelle Obama’s veggie garden wreck havok. I guess all cats really say LOLZ too in real life. [/quote]

Jesus fucking Christ. You bit hook, line and sinker on those. I just typed in Tea Party racism on Google and posted the first few pics that I thought were funny. I figured they’d be a good way to rile some shit up.[/quote]

Wrong, what you don’t get in all of this is…you typed in “Tea Party racism” and that shit comes up. Now I am not saying that is your fault, but how do you make sense of the fact that those pics come up under that seach? People are fucking stretching here, you gotta admit that.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
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The white house with a watermelon patch is your proof that the tea party is racist? get the fuck outta here…How is a internet pic related to them at all…you are stretching big time with this one, or did a tea partier sneak into Michelle Obama’s veggie garden wreck havok. I guess all cats really say LOLZ too in real life. [/quote]

Jesus fucking Christ. You bit hook, line and sinker on those. I just typed in Tea Party racism on Google and posted the first few pics that I thought were funny. I figured they’d be a good way to rile some shit up.[/quote]

Dude, there is no doubt in my mind that you were trying to make a point with all of those pictures you posted. Don’t flake now that you’ve been called on it.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
The NAACP is an outdated organization that’s outlived it’s usefulness, and not acts against the interests in claims to represent.

When there was institutionalized racism to be fought, organizations like that had a place. Now their mere existence is a roadblock to the color-blind world their founders sought.

On the other hand, if the Tea Party isn’t just filled with xenophobic racists, they’ve done a really poor job of calling out and decrying the racists who have infiltrated, and stolen the spotlight.

I agree with 90% of what the Tea Partiers claim they believe and what makes them the “Tea Party”. However, I’m not convinced that the legitimate policy/political grievances aren’t incidental to the movement. I know it’s the standard non-racial criticism of the Tea Party but:

Where the hell were you guys for the eight years before Obama when our national debt exploded, we wasted billions on two wars, and our civil liberties were trampled?

It goes back to my strong belief that once your run-of-the-mill NeoCon, big government, socially-conservative Republicans take back the house and the senate, the Tea Party will magically disappear.[/quote]

tu quoque