No - the arms, delts, lower abs… it is just a much better picture. I just pointing out that posing and cameras make a difference - a massive one in some cases.
In those shots the poses are slightly different and it makes a massive difference to me at least.
Oh, for sure then. The pics are way different. The first one was horrible. Hell, your pants had more mass than you. 
The second one brings the muscles out way more. You can even see the vein on your bi.
ok I’ll give my advice on some pics…
you have good trap and shoulder development and a larger chest and back will definitely show that.
your lats do need some work but not as much as you may think. You have the posing correct but it takes a lot of practice before you can really learn how to pose the lats. In any of the front and rear back shots (double bi, lat spread) the angle and placement of your arms and hands will play a hyooooge role on how your back looks. Usually it’s not noticed until you are low bodyfat %
I think that you probably have a poor mind muscle connection with your chest and back and it shows a little in your posing. That could also be why they are the lagging bodyparts even tho you hit them harder. Genetics has also dealt you as an arm and shoulder person which is probably detracting from your chest and back some because your body is more comfortable with using the arms/shoulders to move the weight.
you have the correct form of posing from what I can see ;)in the side chest, the arm that goes across the body, pull it into your body so that there is no gap in between, I personally think that it makes the chest look bigger because it then has a background besides open space…make sense? lol
As far as training goes, the only thing i would advise, and I will sound crazy, would be to lighten the weight and increase volume. Do this especially while you are enhanced.
I have a stubborn upper chest and have been lifting heavy…i’ve been repping 225 on incline and it still wasn’t growing! A bodybuilder who is far advanced than I and also a good friend now showed me a different approach that involved dropping down to 95-115lbs. the form was tweaked and i added several reps to the exercise, but fact is now my upper chest is not looking so weak and after my workouts my upper chest is killing me.
what happened was I am not using my muscle that I want to lift the weight to lift it. Before I was merely lifting the weight but not using good mind muscle connection to lift the weight with the muscle I wanted to use to lift it. make sense?
bodybuilders lift heavy weights, but imo a “quality” rep where the muscle trained gets the workload with a lighter weight is by far greater than lifting 20lbs more with only using part of the working muscle to move the weight.
training as a bodybuilder is a bit tricky compared to all other aspects 
lastly…lol I think the crab is a good most muscular for u do to your traps, but your chest is lagging which could possibly kill it for you. In the pic with your cell phone in front of your face, if you do a most muscular similar to that I think you will look better…maybe both hands on your hips and flex everything, or both hands in front of you. this type of most muscular showcases the shoulders better imo…for the crab you better come in peeled or others will blow you out of the water.
I think that if you dieted you could compete but I don’t think you could compete just yet at the level of competition that we had talked before a few months ago. I think that if you put in a couple more years of mass and mass in certain spots then compete that you would be much happier with the result .vs. rushing it.
I know you said you weren’t plannin on competing anytime soon, but that is my opinion as you stand now.
hope that helps man! and thanks for all your help in our pms
DGERDY
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
ok I’ll give my advice on some pics…
you have good trap and shoulder development and a larger chest and back will definitely show that.
your lats do need some work but not as much as you may think. You have the posing correct but it takes a lot of practice before you can really learn how to pose the lats. In any of the front and rear back shots (double bi, lat spread) the angle and placement of your arms and hands will play a hyooooge role on how your back looks. Usually it’s not noticed until you are low bodyfat %[/quote]
It does help massively, it is exactly what i wanted from you/! 
I practice my posing after nearly every workout. I go into the studio after training, and do 10 minutes of posing, different things, from memory, movements, transitions etc…
I enjoy it.
Thamks for the tips… would you suggest using the wrists instead of the hands when placing them on the waist for a spread?
It makes the space between the elbows and lats smaller considerably, do you know what i mean?
HEY!! Whats with the poor mind muscle connection???!! You aint to old for an ass-whoopin ya know> lol! Seriously thouigh, i think i know what you mean but my mind muscle connection (proprioception) is actually decent. I feel my chest working on some presses; bench when i have a spotter and can work to total failure and beyond with low/mod reps -
as for my lats, i concentrated on forging my mind muscle connection with my back many years ago now. I get a pump in both muscle groups when training them, and my lats are worked throughout the full ROM and a good stretch and contraction always in the ‘work reps’.
Thanks Gerdo, makes sense, i’ll try it…
I actually do a range of reps within a workout… between 4-15 really. I tend to do a heavy exercise 4-8 reps, a moderate exercise or two for 6-10 or 8-12 reps, then maybe a 10-15 rep set or a burns set or something else for a high intensity.
Please would you go into more detail about this? increasing volume and lowering weight(high intensity still i assume!)
[quote]
I have a stubborn upper chest and have been lifting heavy…i’ve been repping 225 on incline and it still wasn’t growing! A bodybuilder who is far advanced than I and also a good friend now showed me a different approach that involved dropping down to 95-115lbs. the form was tweaked and i added several reps to the exercise, but fact is now my chest is not looking so weak and after my workouts my upper chest is killing me.[/quote]
I get that same problem with rows and presses when i go below 8 reps and the weight is challenging… i get less noticeable GROWTH. Less BODYBUILDING and more power/strength building. So i know that for back i need to go higher slightly, and have done for a while now, but for Bench Press if i work to beyond failure around the 4-5rep mark i get a really great pump from that low rep range.
I in tend to be PEELED! - dont worry… i aint gonna do this half heartedly at all. I dont want to just be able to say i did a show when im old, i want to do as well as possible, i want to compete, i want to place, and i hope i like the actual competing, as i will do a few shows in that case
[quote]
I think that if you dieted you could compete but I don’t think you could compete just yet at the level of competition that we had talked before a few months ago. I think that if you put in a couple more years of mass and mass in certain spots then compete that you would be much happier with the result .vs. rushing it.
I know you said you weren’t plannin on competing anytime soon, but that is my opinion as you stand now.
hope that helps man! and thanks for all your help in our pms ;)[/quote]
You a star man. I could compete as i am (after dieting of course) and i would be better than many that step up on stage all the time it seems in this country in the lowest levels.
However, as i mentioned… but after earlier, i want to do something there, not just do it.
I originally planned on one year - and that may still go ahead, but i do want more size and shape, plus i want an practice run of dieting down, and full contest prep before hand,…
(took me ages to write this, i kept falling asleep at the PC cause it is like 3am almost here!!
JJ
It really depends on how it looks. If your lat spread looks good using the wrists then go for it. I also noticed tho, at least from me for a rear lat spread, the wider my elbows point out the wider my lats appear. It’s weird. lol I think it’s because it forces me to expand my lats instead of let them roll over.
as for the mind muscle connection, I’m not saying you have poor mind muscle connection, but that with everything else can always improve. some of the best bodybuilders and best posers have astounding mind muscle connection. You also have to remember with the spread poses is that you aren’t flexing the lat at all, but flexing and relaxing certain muscles in the back to spread it. lol
as far as lightening weight goes…it’s still an intense workout. This is one thing I changed. first the angle on my incline press which is irrelevant right now, but then i picked a weight I could have probably done for 30 normal reps.
Instead of performing normal reps I would arch my back and stick my chest up, lower the bar slowly until it is mm’s off of your chest and pause there for a few seconds allowing a deep stretch (if the weight is too heavy you won’t be able to stretch the chest because the anterior delt will take a lot of the load to stabilize the weight) then short quick explosive movement up and release.
So the exercise isn’t necessarily about lifting a heavy weight or for how many reps, but each and every rep should be a good quality stretch, and this forces the intended working muscle to work. I believe mostly because you are thinking about the chest while training and your mind muscle connect. improves. I usually do 4-5 x 10. The first 6-7 reps are no biggie, but after that I get an insane burn in my upper pec, one I’ve never gotten lifting heavy. You can incorporate that pause/stretch method for other exercises as well. it will still be intense and still lift heavy, but certain exercises can be done this way and I think it might help your chest and lats for a wider vtaper. If nothing else is working too well then I guess its worth a shot eh? lol
I believe you can compete now, but when we talked about when you will compete earlier this year, I don’t think you are where you want to be when you make your debut (sp?) lol Looking good tho man!
Gerdy
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
It really depends on how it looks. If your lat spread looks good using the wrists then go for it. I also noticed tho, at least from me for a rear lat spread, the wider my elbows point out the wider my lats appear.
It’s weird. lol I think it’s because it forces me to expand my lats instead of let them roll over.
as for the mind muscle connection, I’m not saying you have poor mind muscle connection, but that with everything else can always improve. some of the best bodybuilders and best posers have astounding mind muscle connection.
You also have to remember with the spread poses is that you aren’t flexing the lat at all, but flexing and relaxing certain muscles in the back to spread it. lol
as far as lightening weight goes…it’s still an intense workout. This is one thing I changed. first the angle on my incline press which is irrelevant right now, but then i picked a weight I could have probably done for 30 normal reps.
Instead of performing normal reps I would arch my back and stick my chest up, lower the bar slowly until it is mm’s off of your chest and pause there for a few seconds allowing a deep stretch
(if the weight is too heavy you won’t be able to stretch the chest because the anterior delt will take a lot of the load to stabilize the weight)
Then short quick explosive movement up and release.
So the exercise isn’t necessarily about lifting a heavy weight or for how many reps, but each and every rep should be a good quality stretch, and this forces the intended working muscle to work.
I believe mostly because you are thinking about the chest while training and your mind muscle connect. improves. I usually do 4-5 x 10. The first 6-7 reps are no biggie, but after that I get an insane burn in my upper pec, one I’ve never gotten lifting heavy.
You can incorporate that pause/stretch method for other exercises as well. it will still be intense and still lift heavy, but certain exercises can be done this way and I think it might help your chest and lats for a wider vtaper. If nothing else is working too well then I guess its worth a shot eh? lol
I believe you can compete now, but when we talked about when you will compete earlier this year, I don’t think you are where you want to be when you make your debut (sp?) lol Looking good tho man!
Gerdy[/quote]
I will have a play with that technique… thanks.
And i am in agreement, while i COULD compete - i really dont want to just do it to be able to say i have… i want to do it, place well, and assuming i enjoyed the experience and wanted to continue, then do more and keep growing and improving as long and high as possible.
I have no delusions of grandeur - and i dont have the genetics of you or P22, but i do have half decent genes that i can see give me a fighting chance in local competitions at least.
On the cycle though… i started drol up again after 2 weeks off… to finish the last 3 weeks on a high as it were.
It must be because i have the test and eq working properly now, but my god! Great pumps, i mean GREAT! strength isthrough the roof! drive, motivation… and did i mention the pumps?!
Love this stuff… You were right Game_Over!!
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
It really depends on how it looks. If your lat spread looks good using the wrists then go for it. I also noticed tho, at least from me for a rear lat spread, the wider my elbows point out the wider my lats appear. It’s weird. lol I think it’s because it forces me to expand my lats instead of let them roll over.
as for the mind muscle connection, I’m not saying you have poor mind muscle connection, but that with everything else can always improve. some of the best bodybuilders and best posers have astounding mind muscle connection. You also have to remember with the spread poses is that you aren’t flexing the lat at all, but flexing and relaxing certain muscles in the back to spread it. lol
as far as lightening weight goes…it’s still an intense workout. This is one thing I changed. first the angle on my incline press which is irrelevant right now, but then i picked a weight I could have probably done for 30 normal reps.
Instead of performing normal reps I would arch my back and stick my chest up, lower the bar slowly until it is mm’s off of your chest and pause there for a few seconds allowing a deep stretch
(if the weight is too heavy you won’t be able to stretch the chest because the anterior delt will take a lot of the load to stabilize the weight)
Then short quick explosive movement up and release.
So the exercise isn’t necessarily about lifting a heavy weight or for how many reps, but each and every rep should be a good quality stretch, and this forces the intended working muscle to work.
I believe mostly because you are thinking about the chest while training and your mind muscle connect. improves. I usually do 4-5 x 10. The first 6-7 reps are no biggie, but after that I get an insane burn in my upper pec, one I’ve never gotten lifting heavy.
You can incorporate that pause/stretch method for other exercises as well. it will still be intense and still lift heavy, but certain exercises can be done this way and I think it might help your chest and lats for a wider vtaper. If nothing else is working too well then I guess its worth a shot eh? lol
I believe you can compete now, but when we talked about when you will compete earlier this year, I don’t think you are where you want to be when you make your debut (sp?) lol Looking good tho man!
Gerdy
I will have a play with that technique… thanks.
And i am in agreement, while i COULD compete - i really dont want to just do it to be able to say i have… i want to do it, place well, and assuming i enjoyed the experience and wanted to continue, then do more and keep growing and improving as long and high as possible.
I have no delusions of grandeur - and i dont have the genetics of you or P22, but i do have half decent genes that i can see give me a fighting chance in local competitions at least.
On the cycle though… i started drol up again after 2 weeks off… to finish the last 3 weeks on a high as it were.
It must be because i have the test and eq working properly now, but my god! Great pumps, i mean GREAT! strength isthrough the roof! drive, motivation… and did i mention the pumps?!
Love this stuff… You were right Game_Over!!
JJ[/quote]
in it to win it! thats my advice and motivation when you pick a show…do it for yourself, but do it to compete in the class you want to, and actually compete to win, not just do a show like some people lol. 
I know you have a competitive nature tho and will do fine when you hone in on a show… and thats a huge honor to be considered in the same pool as pris. Although I have some good genetics I’m not comparable to him…yet
Well your current cycle will probably be a bulk cycle of mine sometime in the future, so glad your loving it, hopefully i’ll love it too! lol and glad that all of your gear started kicking in, cause I know for a while there you where kinda skeptical of it. lol
DG
hehehe +1 for drol
lmao! i mean it.
I have not had a pump that satisfying EVER. not only that, but i am now a couple lbs off 14stone… my all time heaviest so far… at approx 195lbs.
200lbs is just around the corner… this is a bloated 200lbs though, so it doesnt truly count in my mind. I want 200 dry, contest ready lbs!!!
Maybe not this cycle though…
Excuse me while i just order some drol and winny…!
Update… i realise that this thread is all but dead, but i didnt see the point in starting a new one.
So, i am now 14 stone… the heaviest i have ever been. That is just 196lbs to you americanos. 4lbs off 200 - that isnt something i EVER thought i would do… until recently.
I have made some decisions over the past couple of weeks… first is when to compete.
I wont be competing next year i dont think - i want to blow away the novice group, or maybe just enter an intermediate group. As i am, i would place in a novice group in the UK, but i have been looking at the quality and size of the main competitors and what it takes to become a potential pro card competitor in the UK.
I have now decided to wait at LEAST 2 years… (i am only 28) to start at a higher level, and i am thinking that all being well with the actual competing side of things, that 7 years of hardcore training MAY be enough to get me to a level where i will be capable of placing well in the NABBA MR.GB, that would make me 35… and i am very confident i could be 225 contest shape by then.
Thanks gerdy for the chats and showing me what dedication and strength is about.
Also… i ran out of my Test early, 2 weeks early actually… it was because it needed filtering etc. and a lot was lost in the process.
Still, my Omna’s arrived the other day and i have another 40ml of cyp on the way too.
The Omna’s are real, genuine jelfa packaging, and the amps are all identical, rounded stickers, good quality print, same volumes, painless inject (all sust preps should be painless IME of human grade gear).
They are from $3.85 -$4.50 each, and our favourite uncle is now one of my favourite guys.
So i will be shooting just 2 of those a week for the next 10 weeks… the eq i have will be ran at just 400mg for the next 10 weeks too… then i will drop to maintenance level test for a period before i cycle again.
I do not recover between cycles, and i have come to terms with what exactly that means to me, and how i could deal with that naturally, or not… I am not happy about it, but it is my fault and my fault alone… i do need to take a whole host of drugs in order to live a normal life, and this is due to decisions made by myself throughout the years.
There is no such thing as a free drink.
I really do not suggest that the “blast and cruise” method be used by anyone - and i am seeing that it is being recommended and talked about a whole deal lately.
I think it is irresponsible of people to think that just because one “trainer” says that he can use that method with zero problems in clients, that everyone now believes this is the safest way to use.
Funny, because even cycling traditionally causes problems in the majority of users!
I believe that some men can use AAS with minimal sides… but the majority will have one problem or another.
Anyway… [/update]
sounds good jj, keep posting progress pics for sure.