My Thoughts on Dietary Advice for a Newb

Training
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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Zep - I would generally agree with everything in your OP. Other posters are playing semantics with the microwave thing and milk. I’m always skeptical of ones that only quote other authors works or that parrot what they hear someone else say and yet have none of their own personal experiences to offer. The problem with search engines is that anyone can be an internet expert.

The only thing that I will say differed with myself is that I don’t find that everyone needs ginormous amounts of protein. By that, I mean that I am female and think that I do not require as much protein as a man. In the past, I’ve had great results of Atkins type diets with very high fat and moderate amounts of protein. Even still, I experiment with my diet and am trying another approach.

All of the above being said, results will vary for everyone but I think there are some relatively common truths (as you pointed out at the beginning of your thread). You and I both know the only way to find out what works is by actually doing it and experimenting instead of just googling studies that seemingly contradict those who have more experience.

As far as the all carbs being sugar (in an above post)…whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sweet, so I’ll just replace all of my oatmeal with Ben & Jerry’s - thanks![/quote]

The whole microwave thing, and the ground beef+cheese thing I posted because I know that a large amount of the people who need to gain weight are my age or younger with limited cooking ability. Not everyone owns a real steamer and not everyone under the age of 20 (and many after) have any ambition with cooking. These younger guys are the ones I’m targeting. This shit is NOT hard. But like I said before this is not a poor man’s game either.

For the record I cook a lot and love to do new things in the kitchen. My girlfriend and I live in an off campus appartment year round where we go to school. So I have access to many things I did not before.[/quote]

Agreed. I have a microwave and I use it often. When I was younger, I came up with similar concoctions because that’s what my budget allowed and I was learning how to cook. For years, I ate tuna, egg white omelets with salsa and thought it was a glorious creation. What’s wrong with that?

This shit is not hard, no, but so many make it that way. Too many google-jockeys that need to step away from the keyboard. Just so I don’t sound overly condescending, it’s not that I don’t think studies are important or useful. What is not useful is when one spends time reading that material instead of actually putting it into practice.

Stop linking, start lifting.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

The only thing that I will say differed with myself is that I don’t find that everyone needs ginormous amounts of protein.

You and I both know the only way to find out what works is by actually doing it and experimenting instead of just googling studies that seemingly contradict those who have more experience.

As far as the all carbs being sugar (in an above post)…whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sweet, so I’ll just replace all of my oatmeal with Ben & Jerry’s - thanks![/quote]

Agree.

Agree even more.

I don’t know if that was sarcastic, but yes. All carbohydrates are sugar, in the same way that all sugars are carbohydrates. The words mean the same thing.[/quote]

I think the lady is suggesting, rather audaciously I might add, that the fiber content of a food might affect how your body deals with the sugar wrapped in that fiber. I might at this point say something about insuelemic responses to food with various micronutrient combinations, but I think to many people have written about that else where(including yourself right above). I also believe she was being sarcastic, personally. However, it is so very hard to tell. So, as a compromise, when me and the boy go out to the grocery today, I think we’ll pick up both oatmeal and ice cream, and maybe even eat them together, as they are both one and the same.:wink:

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Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha
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Well said. You don’t need shitty foods to bulk. There is no reason to NOT eat healthy no matter what your goal is, because calorories are extremely easy to come by if you’re clever.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
I ate tuna, egg white omelets with salsa and thought it was a glorious creation.
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Here is another easy meal for younger guys (and girls) looking for a higher protein count.

Appreciate your posts

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
Beef, turkey, chicken and fish get discussed a lot.

Other than bacon, I don’t see much about pork… pork chops, ham, tenderloin, etc. Is pork a bad choice?[/quote]

Most of my protein comes from beef and pork. I often sub out chicken for beef or pork tenderloin if I don’t need the fat from my usual meats and can afford it.

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If the cow’s milk wasn’t pasteurized, the lactase wouldn’t be killed and people wouldn’t be lactose intolerant.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

The only thing that I will say differed with myself is that I don’t find that everyone needs ginormous amounts of protein.

You and I both know the only way to find out what works is by actually doing it and experimenting instead of just googling studies that seemingly contradict those who have more experience.

As far as the all carbs being sugar (in an above post)…whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sweet, so I’ll just replace all of my oatmeal with Ben & Jerry’s - thanks![/quote]

Agree.

Agree even more.

I don’t know if that was sarcastic, but yes. All carbohydrates are sugar, in the same way that all sugars are carbohydrates. The words mean the same thing.[/quote]

I find it very amusing how easily you are able to pick out the certain parts of dialogue that you wish to see and change it’s context. Please read as: you chopped half of my post to promote your own POV.

If you think that all carbs are sugar and all sugar are carbs, I don’t know what else to say to you but I don’t think you’d listen anyhow.

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I did that to make it easier to see what I was responding to. I don’t believe that I changed any of your points, seeing how what I took out wasn’t directed towards me anyhow.

They are. This is a scientific fact. They are the same thing. The words are used interchangibly. I am not saying that complex carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates don’t act differently in my body. That is not true and not a point I am trying to make.

The point I’m trying to make is that just because you see “sugar” on a nutritional label, that does not mean that food is going to digest the same as candy or soda, since they also contain “sugar”.

The difference with the terms did not come from the scientific community (since they are used interchangibly in the scientific community), it came from the people who made up the rules for nutritional labeling and stuff like that. Kind of like how “organic” now means no pesticides, etc. when in reality, “organic” means that a substance contains carbon. Everything that is alive or that your body can digest is organic. All milk, meat, etc is organic.

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[quote]mlupica wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

The only thing that I will say differed with myself is that I don’t find that everyone needs ginormous amounts of protein.

You and I both know the only way to find out what works is by actually doing it and experimenting instead of just googling studies that seemingly contradict those who have more experience.

As far as the all carbs being sugar (in an above post)…whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sweet, so I’ll just replace all of my oatmeal with Ben & Jerry’s - thanks![/quote]

Agree.

Agree even more.

I don’t know if that was sarcastic, but yes. All carbohydrates are sugar, in the same way that all sugars are carbohydrates. The words mean the same thing.[/quote]

I think the lady is suggesting, rather audaciously I might add, that the fiber content of a food might affect how your body deals with the sugar wrapped in that fiber. I might at this point say something about insuelemic responses to food with various micronutrient combinations, but I think to many people have written about that else where(including yourself right above). I also believe she was being sarcastic, personally. However, it is so very hard to tell. So, as a compromise, when me and the boy go out to the grocery today, I think we’ll pick up both oatmeal and ice cream, and maybe even eat them together, as they are both one and the same.:wink:
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Not just the fiber, but everything else that was ingested during the meal, as well as other factors.

Couldn’t tell if she was either. If she was, I get the joke.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha
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I didn’t say that all carbs are equal. I said that the terms sugar and carbohydrate mean the same thing. My point is, just because it says “sugar” on the nutrition label of milk, does not mean that this “sugar” is going to act like drinking a soda or eating a donut.

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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
If the cow’s milk wasn’t pasteurized, the lactase wouldn’t be killed and people wouldn’t be lactose intolerant.[/quote]

This is true. I believe John Medows wrote an article on here a few months ago about how a great number of his lactose intolerant clients do very well with raw milk. It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to get though (because of all the govt regulations surrounding it)

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I didn’t say that all carbs are equal. I said that the terms sugar and carbohydrate mean the same thing. My point is, just because it says “sugar” on the nutrition label of milk, does not mean that this “sugar” is going to act like drinking a soda or eating a donut.[/quote]

Would you mind sharing the difference between the sugars? When to use what and why? Which to avoid and why? I’m interested in your particular view on it.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha
[/quote]

Well said. You don’t need shitty foods to bulk. There is no reason to NOT eat healthy no matter what your goal is, because calorories are extremely easy to come by if you’re clever.[/quote]

That’s just it. I’ve added weight slowly and I’ve bulked on crappy foods - the results of the latter were not pretty. It’s all a personal choice as to what you’re comfortable having your body fat rest at. I know that I liked the results better eating healthy and taking things a little bit more slowly. To each his own, right?

As for the carb/sugar debate, I am only going to say this and then drop it:

All sugar are carbs, all carbs are not sugar. Sugar is part of what makes up a carbohydrate. If you look at a nutritional label, carbs and sugar are listed with separate values and they may, or may not be the same. That is not scientific but easy enough for someone new to understand and I speak as someone that does have to watch her blood sugar.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
If the cow’s milk wasn’t pasteurized, the lactase wouldn’t be killed and people wouldn’t be lactose intolerant.[/quote]

This is true. I believe John Medows wrote an article on here a few months ago about how a great number of his lactose intolerant clients do very well with raw milk. It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to get though (because of all the govt regulations surrounding it)[/quote]
And, if you fancy yourself a fromage conniosseur, raw milk cheese is quite amazing.
Sorry for the hijack :wink:

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
I ate tuna, egg white omelets with salsa and thought it was a glorious creation.
[/quote]

Here is another easy meal for younger guys (and girls) looking for a higher protein count.

Appreciate your posts[/quote]

Hey, no problem, thanks. :slight_smile:

If you try to eat that, just know that it’s more practical than it is tasty.

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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
If the cow’s milk wasn’t pasteurized, the lactase wouldn’t be killed and people wouldn’t be lactose intolerant[/quote]
And the price of milk would skyrocket. If the price of milk skyrocketed the general public would find an alternative. If they found an alternative the Fed would be forced to stop the Dairy subsidy. If the Fed stopped the subsidy the industry would go under. If the dairy industry collapsed the price of protein powders would skyrocket.

So thank people when you see them drinking milk, I won’t do it and a lot of people have to.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I didn’t say that all carbs are equal. I said that the terms sugar and carbohydrate mean the same thing. My point is, just because it says “sugar” on the nutrition label of milk, does not mean that this “sugar” is going to act like drinking a soda or eating a donut.[/quote]

Would you mind sharing the difference between the sugars? When to use what and why? Which to avoid and why? I’m interested in your particular view on it.[/quote]

There are much more knowledgable people then I who have authored articles on this site.

My only point on this matter is as it pertains to lactose. The lactose in milk is not something people need to worry about (unless they are lactose intolerant) because it doesn’t act in the same way people assume all “sugar” acts. This is especially true if it is consumed with a meal.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha
[/quote]

Well said. You don’t need shitty foods to bulk. There is no reason to NOT eat healthy no matter what your goal is, because calorories are extremely easy to come by if you’re clever.[/quote]

As for the carb/sugar debate, I am only going to say this and then drop it:

All sugar are carbs, all carbs are not sugar. Sugar is part of what makes up a carbohydrate. If you look at a nutritional label, carbs and sugar are listed with separate values and they may, or may not be the same. That is not scientific but easy enough for someone new to understand and I speak as someone that does have to watch her blood sugar.

[/quote]

All sugar are carbohydrates, all carbohydrates are sugar.

Carbohydrates are completely made up of what you believe is a “sugar”.

I understand the reasoning behind the listing on nutritional labels. I’m just trying to point out that just because it says “sugar” on milk does not mean it will act the same as what people think “sugar” is.

As I’m sure you know, carbohydrates are devided into 4 groups:

monosaccharides
disaccharides
oligosaccharides
polysaccharides

The sufix to these words, saccharide, lets you know that they are all in the same grouping. Saccharide comes from the greek word sakkaron, which means sugar. So these 4 groups of carbohydrates mean:

1 sugar
2 sugars
multiple sugars
lots of sugars

The words are synonymous.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I didn’t say that all carbs are equal. I said that the terms sugar and carbohydrate mean the same thing. My point is, just because it says “sugar” on the nutrition label of milk, does not mean that this “sugar” is going to act like drinking a soda or eating a donut.[/quote]

Would you mind sharing the difference between the sugars? When to use what and why? Which to avoid and why? I’m interested in your particular view on it.[/quote]

There are much more knowledgable people then I who have authored articles on this site.

[/quote]

LOL clearly. I can’t believe more people aren’t jumping over your “all carbs are sugar. The words are used interchangeably. This is a scientific fact.” That is just plain false.

Very simple explanation (basic stuff that you should learn before you start claiming scientific facts you don’t understand):

Simple carbohydrates are also called sugars, or simple sugars. This is the “sugar” you are talking about. Actual “sugar,” is the simple carbohydrate sucrose, which is a disaccharide made of fructose and glucose (both monosaccharides). Yes, all simple carbohydrates are called “sugars” when you look at nutrition labels and such.

Complex carbohydrates - These are called starches. They are COMPOSED OF long strands of simple sugars, but they are NOT called sugar by the scientific community, or by nutrition labels, or anything. Your body has to break them down into the simple sugars, hence why they have a lesser effect on your blood glucose level and take longer to digest.

Fiber - definitely not sugar. Your body cannot break them down into simple sugars, so you do not completely digest them.

So when they say the “sugar” in milk, they are, in essence, saying the carbohydrates in the milk will act similarly to the carbohydrates in that soda or donut (not the exact same because they are different simple sugars, and they still have to be broken down to glucose, but similarly). Because they mean simple sugars.

In sum, all sugars are carbohydrates, but carbohydrates can mean sugars, starches, or fiber. And you made several arrogant, confident claims trying to make everyone else look stupid that were just not true.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Yeah, my bad, mlupica. ha I lean towards dry and sarcastic and sometimes rub some the wrong way. It’s not deliberate, I just don’t really mince words. Maybe I’m a little old and crotchety too. My apologies.

You were basically right about my point. This is the beginners sections and to make comments about all carbs being equal is irresponsible and then you see all of the bulking gone wrong threads. Besides, wasn’t the whole premise to this thread about making better nutritional choices? How you take care of your body does catch up to you, whether it’s your weight or your health.

Ice Cream? I c wut u did there. Well played. ha
[/quote]

Well said. You don’t need shitty foods to bulk. There is no reason to NOT eat healthy no matter what your goal is, because calorories are extremely easy to come by if you’re clever.[/quote]

As for the carb/sugar debate, I am only going to say this and then drop it:

All sugar are carbs, all carbs are not sugar. Sugar is part of what makes up a carbohydrate. If you look at a nutritional label, carbs and sugar are listed with separate values and they may, or may not be the same. That is not scientific but easy enough for someone new to understand and I speak as someone that does have to watch her blood sugar.

[/quote]

All sugar are carbohydrates, all carbohydrates are sugar.

Carbohydrates are completely made up of what you believe is a “sugar”.

I understand the reasoning behind the listing on nutritional labels. I’m just trying to point out that just because it says “sugar” on milk does not mean it will act the same as what people think “sugar” is.

As I’m sure you know, carbohydrates are devided into 4 groups:

monosaccharides
disaccharides
oligosaccharides
polysaccharides

The sufix to these words, saccharide, lets you know that they are all in the same grouping. Saccharide comes from the greek word sakkaron, which means sugar. So these 4 groups of carbohydrates mean:

1 sugar
2 sugars
multiple sugars
lots of sugars

The words are synonymous. [/quote]

I posted as you were typing this. The words are not synonymous. “Made up of many sugars” and “sugar” does not mean the same thing, due to how your body has to deal with them. You could say the words “Sugar” and “simple sugars” are synonymous, because they are often used to mean the same thing. But “sugar” is not a term used to mean “fiber” or “starch.”