My Take on Full Body Training

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]dankid wrote:
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.[/quote]

You. Are. Weak.

And I’m going to make it my business to tell every poor soul that appears to be listening to you that you had trouble push pressing 135lbs after 3 years of training.

Excuse me while I go type up the Dankid Disclaimer.

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[quote]Wilba wrote:
It wasn’t all at once. It was a long period of stagnation. Also complicated by a couple of injuries. I did increase my calories by 400 + 40g protein. I also hadn’t changed things up in a long time. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with a setup like this or opinion. I am not saying splits are bad.

Seems like I may not have been clear enough that I’ve always done splits (for years), made much progress over the years. I just tried this a few weeks ago and have had good results so far. So don’t think I’m a full body guy, I have never been. Just trying something new for a little while so don’t be a dick.[/quote]

everyone underestimates TBT for gaining mass.
when you’re working in only 1 - 3 sets per body part a day, that leaves u with enough energy to push in 1 - 3 more sets, 2 or 3 more times a week. whereas a split routine leaves you only one day to severely punish one muscle group.

i also find tbt to be muchhhh more entertaining than split routines…

ever try super setting deadlifts into pull ups? fucking sexy

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Full body routines belong in the powerlifting forum, not here. No doubt a full body program can give you great gains in weight/size/strength but it will not be in the proportions a bodybuilder will value. The problem is that since you squat 3x per week, your legs and torso will get very muscular leaving your little muscles lagging behind. If your main concern is to get as strong as possible then 3x per week full body training fits the bill. Doing the same movements over and over will make your neuron motor units as efficient as possible.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
dankid wrote:
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.

You. Are. Weak.

And I’m going to make it my business to tell every poor soul that appears to be listening to you that you had trouble push pressing 135lbs after 3 years of training.

Excuse me while I go type up the Dankid Disclaimer.

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Ha thats funny, cause I pretty much never do push press. I dont know where you got this form. I did it for a few weeks when doing dan john’s program and I think i was up to 165 pretty quickly. But its not a lift that I regularly train. How much do you DB snatch? How much can you turkish get-up? You fail sorrry.

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[quote]KyleT wrote:
Full body routines belong in the powerlifting forum, not here. No doubt a full body program can give you great gains in weight/size/strength but it will not be in the proportions a bodybuilder will value. The problem is that since you squat 3x per week, your legs and torso will get very muscular leaving your little muscles lagging behind. If your main concern is to get as strong as possible then 3x per week full body training fits the bill. Doing the same movements over and over will make your neuron motor units as efficient as possible.[/quote]

This really makes no sense. So 3x a week makes your legs and torso muscles really big, but leaves the smaller muscles underdeveloped? Maybe they need to be trained 4x per week?

I’ll agree with you that TBT isn’t for bodybuilding. But you can still be interested in building muscle and a good body without doing bodybuilding. And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.

OH well. And for the record the OP is a troll. If anyone can spot one its me right? :wink:

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[quote]RiVaL6 wrote:

ever try super setting deadlifts into pull ups? fucking sexy[/quote]

What kind of weights are you using on deads where you can superset them?

Jesus fucking Christ… this thread should be burned alive.

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[quote]RiVaL6 wrote:
Wilba wrote:
It wasn’t all at once. It was a long period of stagnation. Also complicated by a couple of injuries. I did increase my calories by 400 + 40g protein. I also hadn’t changed things up in a long time. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with a setup like this or opinion. I am not saying splits are bad.

Seems like I may not have been clear enough that I’ve always done splits (for years), made much progress over the years. I just tried this a few weeks ago and have had good results so far. So don’t think I’m a full body guy, I have never been. Just trying something new for a little while so don’t be a dick.

everyone underestimates TBT for gaining mass.
when you’re working in only 1 - 3 sets per body part a day, that leaves u with enough energy to push in 1 - 3 more sets, 2 or 3 more times a week. whereas a split routine leaves you only one day to severely punish one muscle group.

i also find tbt to be muchhhh more entertaining than split routines…

ever try super setting deadlifts into pull ups? fucking sexy[/quote]

-That’s the point, but you have it backwards, 1-3 sets per boypart a day 2-3 times a week is much less volume and taxing than when I hit 12-16 sets on chest. I like to kill my muscle in order to make it adapt, I’m usually sore for days after a workout and it lets me know I’m growing. I don’t think I’d feel the effects of TBT like that. Plus, I couldn’t heavy bench 3 days a week or even do any heavy variations of the bench press three times a week. I’d have to use relatively light weight every time I trained or I’d have a torn pec in weeks. Plus when doing a ton of other movements for my entire body I could never hit each muscle as hard as I could.

And as cliche as it sounds, the smaller guys that frequent my gym often are bouncing from one bodypart to another. The big ass dudes, and I have a few NPC competitors in my gym, follow splits. To say don’t listen to the big guys is the biggest bullshit ever. So let me not listen to a guy that is what I want to be…Let my listen to someone who can barely bench 225 (not talking directly about you, just a generalization), and this makes no sense.

-Ecto, the guy you saw that is big and looks like a bodybuilder but has never hit the weights before is not big and your posts are what led me to believe you’re a begginer.

-Dankid man, I don’t have a problem with you, just you giving out some wrong advices. You clearly made a thread stating you don’t want to bench 405, which is a reason you shouldn’t have been handing out bench advice over in the powerlifting forums, and with a 255 pound bench max you are really not in the realm to be dishing out advice on how to get big/strong. I don’t understand the purpose of giving out wrong advices. I think you need to reavulate your training. I know the bench isn’t the only measure of strength but those are the facts you’ve stated and they don’t add up to this “great” advice you think you’re giving.

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[quote]dankid wrote:

I’ll agree with you that TBT isn’t for bodybuilding. But you can still be interested in building muscle and a good body without doing bodybuilding. And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.
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Dude, if you don’t like this place STOP FUCKING POSTING HERE. We won’t miss you.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
KyleT wrote:
Full body routines belong in the powerlifting forum, not here. No doubt a full body program can give you great gains in weight/size/strength but it will not be in the proportions a bodybuilder will value. The problem is that since you squat 3x per week, your legs and torso will get very muscular leaving your little muscles lagging behind. If your main concern is to get as strong as possible then 3x per week full body training fits the bill. Doing the same movements over and over will make your neuron motor units as efficient as possible.

This really makes no sense. So 3x a week makes your legs and torso muscles really big, but leaves the smaller muscles underdeveloped? Maybe they need to be trained 4x per week?

I’ll agree with you that TBT isn’t for bodybuilding. But you can still be interested in building muscle and a good body without doing bodybuilding. And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.

OH well. And for the record the OP is a troll. If anyone can spot one its me right? ;)[/quote]

You are so jaded that it’s clouding your judgement. I forgot where bodybuilding and having a “good body” were mutually exclusive. I forgot where body-part splits and working on conditioning are mutually exclusive. You think in such absolutes with such poor logic that it’s seriously mind-boggling. You’ve gone ignorant in the other direction. There are some people who are ignorant in thinking that one should only do 5-6+ way splits ever for building muscle, (though I can’t find these, but I’ll play devil’s advocate here) but you’ve gone in the different direction and gone the route that anyone who advocates splits over TBT is a “brah”, and beneath you.

It’s sickening.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.

OH well. And for the record the OP is a troll. If anyone can spot one its me right? ;)[/quote]

This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
Bench 190 x 8
Fr. squat 225 x 5
Dead 365 x 5
Push press 135 x 8
Pullup 240 x 5 or 190 x 12-15
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In your “my bulking begins now” thread. And I apologize, because on review of that thread I see that you had been training for 8 years to reach those numbers, not 3 as I previously stated.

[quote]dankid wrote:
I dont know what the deal is with this one, but i can do db tricep exts. with 30-40 lb dbs for reps, but struggle at rope pushdowns with 50lbs. Whats even greater, is that I noticed my gf was using 40lbs on the rope pushdowns. I can bench 3x what she does, but only do 20% more on pushdowns. This seems pretty strange to me.
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Jeez, that thread is just a gold mine. It deserves to be linked every now and then.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
dankid wrote:
Bench 190 x 8
Fr. squat 225 x 5
Dead 365 x 5
Push press 135 x 8
Pullup 240 x 5 or 190 x 12-15

In your “my bulking begins now” thread. And I apologize, because on review of that thread I see that you had been training for 8 years to reach those numbers, not 3 as I previously stated.

dankid wrote:
I dont know what the deal is with this one, but i can do db tricep exts. with 30-40 lb dbs for reps, but struggle at rope pushdowns with 50lbs. Whats even greater, is that I noticed my gf was using 40lbs on the rope pushdowns. I can bench 3x what she does, but only do 20% more on pushdowns. This seems pretty strange to me.

Jeez, that thread is just a gold mine. It deserves to be linked every now and then.

[/quote]

Did you read the thread where he talked about how he would rather read books about training than actually train?

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[quote]dankid wrote:
KyleT wrote:
Full body routines belong in the powerlifting forum, not here. No doubt a full body program can give you great gains in weight/size/strength but it will not be in the proportions a bodybuilder will value. The problem is that since you squat 3x per week, your legs and torso will get very muscular leaving your little muscles lagging behind. If your main concern is to get as strong as possible then 3x per week full body training fits the bill. Doing the same movements over and over will make your neuron motor units as efficient as possible.

This really makes no sense. So 3x a week makes your legs and torso muscles really big, but leaves the smaller muscles underdeveloped? Maybe they need to be trained 4x per week?

I’ll agree with you that TBT isn’t for bodybuilding. But you can still be interested in building muscle and a good body without doing bodybuilding. And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.

OH well. And for the record the OP is a troll. If anyone can spot one its me right? ;)[/quote]

The guys who run this site don’t seem to agree with you. I do believe that is all that matters.

So why stay?

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[quote]dankid wrote:
KyleT wrote:

I’ll agree with you that TBT isn’t for bodybuilding. But you can still be interested in building muscle and a good body without doing bodybuilding. And by bodybuilding I assume that we are talking about working the MUSCLES from every angle, “the perfect rep”, mind muscle connection, posing in a little tangerine speedo, and all that pussy shit. Yes, if you are into that crap then you need a body part split, so you can focus on each head of your triceps and really pump it out.

There are probably about 10-20 members on the site that are actually interested in this bodybuliding crap. They talk a lot of shit, act like they are leet, call eachother brah, and give eachother reach arounds whenever possible. But then there is the other 99% of members that dont care about this and just want to get big and strong.

OH well. And for the record the OP is a troll. If anyone can spot one its me right? ;)[/quote]

You say this on a bodybuilding forum? Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?
Listen, I’ve seen your log, you’re definitely stronger than I am, but you come across as an arrogant prick. PX and others have years of experience and training on you. They are also much stronger. Don’t teach your father how to fuck.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Did you read the thread where he talked about how he would rather read books about training than actually train?

[/quote]

Nope. That’s alright though, no need to provide a link.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
countingbeans wrote:

Did you read the thread where he talked about how he would rather read books about training than actually train?

Nope. That’s alright though, no need to provide a link.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint sir. Upon reading the aforementioned thread, I have concluded that it is comedy gold. I’d like more gold.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
RiVaL6 wrote:
Wilba wrote:
It wasn’t all at once. It was a long period of stagnation. Also complicated by a couple of injuries. I did increase my calories by 400 + 40g protein. I also hadn’t changed things up in a long time. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with a setup like this or opinion. I am not saying splits are bad.

Seems like I may not have been clear enough that I’ve always done splits (for years), made much progress over the years. I just tried this a few weeks ago and have had good results so far. So don’t think I’m a full body guy, I have never been. Just trying something new for a little while so don’t be a dick.

everyone underestimates TBT for gaining mass.
when you’re working in only 1 - 3 sets per body part a day, that leaves u with enough energy to push in 1 - 3 more sets, 2 or 3 more times a week. whereas a split routine leaves you only one day to severely punish one muscle group.

i also find tbt to be muchhhh more entertaining than split routines…

ever try super setting deadlifts into pull ups? fucking sexy

-That’s the point, but you have it backwards, 1-3 sets per boypart a day 2-3 times a week is much less volume and taxing than when I hit 12-16 sets on chest. I like to kill my muscle in order to make it adapt, I’m usually sore for days after a workout and it lets me know I’m growing. I don’t think I’d feel the effects of TBT like that. Plus, I couldn’t heavy bench 3 days a week or even do any heavy variations of the bench press three times a week. I’d have to use relatively light weight every time I trained or I’d have a torn pec in weeks. Plus when doing a ton of other movements for my entire body I could never hit each muscle as hard as I could.
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i agree. more volume is needed to demand growth from the muscle.

btw, i highly doubt you’d tear a pec from benching 3 sets a day, 3 days a week.

With tbt, you can hit the muscles, multiple times a week, and with greater intensity.
im gonna revert to the whole I,Bodybuilder philosophy because its whats familiar. its not necessarily the amount of weight your able to move, but the “intended exertion” that fully stimulates the muscle fibers. with 12+ sets, you can only strain your CNS so much. By the 12th set, the body and the mind are drained. when both are not in sync, you lose the efficacy of the lift… or rather the muscle building effect.

“so you’re saying tbt is superior to split training for bodybuilding?”

no motherfucker, im saying that there are possibilities
i wouldnt suggest a new lifter take part in a bodybuilders split routine. the volume would be way too much stress on the joints and extensors. And thisss is where you would tear a pec or develop a tight piriformis and get yo posture all fucked up.
And lastly, it’s obvious that SPLIT training is superior to tbt for bodyubuilding, for now.
I couldn’t name you one successful bodybuilder who won championships with tbt.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The guys who run this site don’t seem to agree with you. I do believe that is all that matters.

So why stay?[/quote]

I have yet to see ANYTHING to suggest this supposed change to a “bodybuilding” site. Sure they may promise that to the few of you, and supposedly have a bodybuilding program coming out, but they are proabably just trying to keep their sales up. Its pretty much an internet version of men’s fitness or men’s health. But I like all of the non-bodybuilding articles which is most of them, and thats why im around.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
countingbeans wrote:

Did you read the thread where he talked about how he would rather read books about training than actually train?

Nope. That’s alright though, no need to provide a link.[/quote]

Lol… No way I could find that now. Its gotta be buried like 7 or 8 pages down by now.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The guys who run this site don’t seem to agree with you. I do believe that is all that matters.

So why stay?

I have yet to see ANYTHING to suggest this supposed change to a “bodybuilding” site. Sure they may promise that to the few of you, and supposedly have a bodybuilding program coming out, but they are proabably just trying to keep their sales up. Its pretty much an internet version of men’s fitness or men’s health. But I like all of the non-bodybuilding articles which is most of them, and thats why im around. [/quote]

You’ve yet to explain how looking good naked and bodybuilding are completely unrelated.