Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet. [/quote]
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Many busting through plateus can be accounted for by a change in diet, exercises, frequency, even exercise order, changes that might be brought about, inadvertantly, because someone switched from one “style” of training to the other. [/quote]
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet. [/quote]
No one cares.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet. [/quote]
Yeah but you and dankid are nothing but begginers in my opinion and shouldn’t be dishing out advice, cause some of the shit being said is plain stupid. I’m more advanced than both of you and I keep my mouth shut more often…
[quote]mr popular wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
No one cares.[/quote]
I care and so do alot of other people that might do better training that way. Do both, see what works better for you? I did.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
Yeah but you and dankid are nothing but begginers in my opinion and shouldn’t be dishing out advice, cause some of the shit being said is plain stupid. I’m more advanced than both of you and I keep my mouth shut more often…[/quote]
Begginer lol? How exactly do you know so much about my training history and the gains I’ve made?
Jesus christ.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
dankid wrote:
I think if you look pretty much anywhere but here, and maybe bodybuilding.com people that know what they are talking about will tell you that both TBT and body part splits are pretty much inferior for muscular growth in a natural athlete. Upper/lower is where its at.
(Unless you are talking about a body part split that hits each muscle somewhere between 2x per week to once every 5 days)
You’re forgetting that split programs where the user has many large “compound” movements in it WILL hit muscle groups 2-3 times a week. Maybe only once directly, but more than that indirectly, gaining strength in those movements results in an increase of overall stimulus felt by the muscle. I don’t understand why people use the excuse of only hitting a muscle once per week as a weakness of splits, when no split program really only hits a muscle once a week, unless they’re using only isolation exercises.[/quote]
Well said. If I am training 6 days a week, my triceps are being hit on the day I train chest, shoulders and if I train triceps and biceps on the same day. The same goes with biceps getting trained on both back day and biceps day.
These retarded concepts of training where they act as if you only hit your muscle groups in any way once a week is NOT reality. That is not what a body part split entails and it is also why so many people have gotten fucking huge by training that way. It is like some weak attempt to act as if people ONLY grow because of steroids. I guess we can assume no one training with these other concepts ever gains enough muscle to be accused as such.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
Yeah but you and dankid are nothing but begginers in my opinion and shouldn’t be dishing out advice, cause some of the shit being said is plain stupid. I’m more advanced than both of you and I keep my mouth shut more often…
Begginer lol? How exactly do you know so much about my training history and the gains I’ve made?
Jesus christ.
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That is NOT the most likely response of someone who has actually made enough progress to NOT be considered a beginner.
Please, let us know about your progress…in pictures.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
mr popular wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
No one cares.
I care and so do alot of other people that might do better training that way. Do both, see what works better for you? I did.[/quote]
Oh, we care IF you have actually made SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. No one cares about the progress of someone who didn’t have their food intake together in the first place or wasn’t gaining ANYTHING AT ALL previously but who somehow claims they are gaining simply by working muscles on a given day.
That is why we ask for pictures.
Edit:…and why the fuck wouldn’t you change your food intake before changing anything else if you were not gaining before?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
mr popular wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
Well I’m doing full body routine 3or4x a week right now and I’m making better strength gains and thus I’m getting bigger faster than when I was doing ‘splits’ with the same diet.
No one cares.
I care and so do alot of other people that might do better training that way. Do both, see what works better for you? I did.
Oh, we care IF you have actually made SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. No one cares about the progress of someone who didn’t have their food intake together in the first place or wasn’t gaining ANYTHING AT ALL previously but who somehow claims they are gaining simply by working muscles on a given day.
That is why we ask for pictures.
Edit:…and why the fuck wouldn’t you change your food intake before changing anything else if you were not gaining before?[/quote]
I was eating enough doing splits, I gained some fat and pretty much no muscle.
I change my workout to full body and I am gaining a better ratio of muscle to fat. The difference is like the OP said I’m now DIRECTLY working each muscle 3 times a week. Not indirectly like you do on splits. I just seem to make better strength gains this way and anyone who knows anything about getting big knows if you are still moving the same weight 3 months from now you didn’t gain shit.
Regarding my progress from my training history, since it seems like austin and yourself like to use arm measurements as a guage of progress. I’ve put just under 6 inches on the ‘gunz’ since I began.
BTW OP: I dont know about you, but I like to keep my training to under an hour and that can be difficult with having to hit so much in 1 workout. You may want to try antagonist training for some muscles. For instance save time by going from dips straight into chin ups then back to dips for your second set. Benching into rows or military press into curls I have found works well to. This can be a problem though in busy gyms because hogging equipment like that can tick people off lol. Thankfully I Train from home 
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.
So, for example you went from 12.5" arms to 18.5"? Without this being from severe lard? Or if not those specifics, what specifics?
I have never asked for pics before, but on this one, you’ve inspired the first such request.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
I was eating enough doing splits, I gained some fat and pretty much no muscle.[/quote]
First, I agree with Bill.
Second, if you were only gaining fat while lifting weight several times a week, you blame the food going into your mouth and your own work ethic because either you were eating too much crap or you were training like a little girl. You don’t blame the fact that you trained back with biceps today.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
So, for example you went from 12.5" arms to 18.5"? Without this being from severe lard? Or if not those specifics, what specifics?
I have never asked for pics before, but on this one, you’ve inspired the first such request.[/quote]
haha 12.5 inches was the stuff of dreams when I began. I was rocking 11 inchers, I was the posterboy for skinny. You wouldnt find me at the beach topless if you paid me. Small bone structure and very little muscle mass will give you measuements like that 
I have 6.5 inch wrists to give you some idea what my frames like. I’m not at a low BF%, but really, I dont tend to store fat there, so I don’t think ive done too badly for myself.
It doesn’t make sense to me that someone would:
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Report that split routines gave them “pretty much no muscle,”
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Report that they switched to TBT,
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And describe the effect of the change as “gaining a better ratio of muscle to fat,”
When going from 11" to 17" arms, or nearly so.
The statements just are not consistent with each other.
If split routines gave you nothing, but overall you got that, then TBT must have utterly rocked your world, not just given you a better ratio.
But even this is problematic, because a person who could have gone from 11" – or that plus pretty much no added muscle – to 17" arms on TBT not making any gains, or nothing worth mentioning, from the 11" on a split routine doesn’t make any sense at all.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It doesn’t make sense to me that someone would:
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Report that split routines gave them “pretty much no muscle,”
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Report that they switched to TBT,
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And describe the effect of the change as “gaining a better ratio of muscle to fat,”
When going from 11" to 17" arms, or nearly so.
The statements just are not consistent with each other.
If split routines gave you nothing, but overall you got that, then TBT must have utterly rocked your world, not just given you a better ratio.
But even this is problematic, because a person who could have gone from 11" to 17" arms on TBT not making any gains, or nothing worth mentioning, on a split routine doesn’t make any sense at all.
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I know I hated it when I made absolutely no gains in muscle mass but my arms went up 5 inches. That sucked.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.[/quote]
They are bigger and stronger than you. So when it comes down to it, people should listen to them above your weak ass.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
dankid wrote:
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.
They are bigger and stronger than you. So when it comes down to it, people should listen to them above your weak ass.
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If theres one thing I have found to be true its that you definately should NOT value someones methods just because they are bigger and stronger than you. I used to know a guy that looked like a bodybuilder and he had never stepped foot in a gym in his life. With your logic he is the go to guy on how to get jacked lol.
Consider it one of the factors, not the be-all and end-all.
For example, if you want to learn how to play poker, on average you’ll do better learning from someone who actually has made money at the game over time than learning from someone who loses his paycheck every week.
Beloved as the concept is among self-described “Hardgainers” that there is no correlation between results achieved and knowledge, or even that the bigger a guy is, the more likely his training is all screwed up while the less he has gained, the more likely his training methods are brilliant, it’s not valid.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
dankid wrote:
Ecto there is no sense in arguinig with X or any of these other guys. They’ve clearly figured it all out and are “elite” as far as natural bodybuilding goes. They’ll reached super human levels of muscular and leaness and all of them had horrible genetics to start. So you best just listen to what they say. They are the EXPERTS in this field.
They are bigger and stronger than you. So when it comes down to it, people should listen to them above your weak ass.
If theres one thing I have found to be true its that you definately should NOT value someones methods just because they are bigger and stronger than you. I used to know a guy that looked like a bodybuilder and he had never stepped foot in a gym in his life. With your logic he is the go to guy on how to get jacked lol.[/quote]
The fact that you are still saying the same stereotypical things in every TBT guru article, and just that you still even think in terms of TBT or splits, shows that you don’t know much either, you’re just spouting off what someone else has told you. No one worth their grain of salt has their first organizational training thought be “TBT or splits”, you just evaluate goals and design a training “split”, if you will, that best reaches those goals while balancing recovery. It may look more TBT-ish or split the body into more training days.
Some people, who still only think in terms of TBT or Split or Upper-Lower, show that they just don’t get it yet. It’s like when you first learn math and the teacher gives you strict rules like you can only subtract larger numbers by smaller numbers, the alternative “just isn’t right”. Then you learn about negative numbers and that letters can represent numbers that you don’t even know yet, etc. If you ask someone to do a math problem for you and the first thing out of their mouths is, “This is impossible because you can’t subtract 10 from 5” then you know you should probably get your tutoring from somewhere else.
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