My 'Revelation' About Training

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
trextacy wrote:
NP,

Thanks for answering my question about the biblelife.org website. I appreciate the link.

I’m here to learn. I don’t care to flame.

I’m curious as to what you think the best diet/lifting/cardio protocol is for fat loss (for someone who is fairly well muscled and around 15% bf).

What do you think about HIIT? What sort of split/program is best.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

I think the most important thing for fat loss is cutting carbs out of your diet.

After that, do High Intensity Circuit Training (HICT) for your weight training. This means you should rotate between different exercises to keep your rest times low and your work rate high.

I think that all bodybuilders should train this way, even if they aren’t trying to lose fat. That is how I train. There is no point for a bodybuilder to ever do two consecutive sets of one exercise (unless they are dropsets). Why sit around and wait for your muscles to recover when you could be hammering something else? I’ll give you some examples below.

I also believe in finding just one or two effective exercises for each muscle and hammering them hard. I don’t take the “kitchen sink” approach with exercise selection.

So, to give you an example, one of my days is Chest/Back/Lats. It is basically horizontal push/pull, with vertical pull (but not push - I don’t do any pressing, either horizontal or vertical…completely unnecessary for hypertrophy).

I only do three exercises and that covers everything:

-Cybex Lat Pulldown
-Underhand Fly’s on the Lever Pec Fly for chest
-Seated Row for the back

I do those exercises in order as a mini-circuit, and go through that circuit about 5-6 times. That is all I do for Chest/Back/Lats, once a week. It is extremely effective. You can and should use as much volume as it takes to go to complete exhaustion.

Every set of every circuit after the first should be taken to failure. My sets often last two minutes. On all unilateral exercises, I keep going after I reach concentric failure and do assisted reps (with the opposite limb) and eccentric overload.

Those machines are all next to each other at my gym, so it is very convenient. You should not rest between sets, only after each circuit, and even then, not for long.

My split looks like this:
Delts & Traps (4 exercises)
Legs & Abs (6 exercises)
Bi’s & Tri’s (3 exercises)
Chest/Back/Lats (3 exercises)

Most people are taking the kitchen sink approach and doing way too many exercises because they haven’t figured out what works.

I do advocate HIIT to my clients, but not based on personal experience - only on what I’ve read. I think that anything is better than slow, steady state cardio.

Brant_Drake wrote:
Ohh . . so experiance and all that is irrelevant now.

Well, you reminded me of another one of my observations which you’re just going to love.

What do you think is the single most important factor for “getting big”?

Is it having the right genetics? Nope.
Is it eating tons of food? Nope.
Is it training heavy and often? Nope.
Using gear? Nope.
Is it being consistent with all of the above? No.

What, then? What could it possibly be:

Easy. It’s your age, dummy.

How many people who “ate everything but couldn’t gain a pound” in their youth turn into big, stocky chumps when they grow older? It’s an awfully high percentage.

If you want to get “big”, simply wait until you’re 50. Nearly everyone in Western countries spends their last few decades oversized. That is why it I find it so idiotic to yell at poor kids for “not eating enough” the way that so many people are fond of doing on this board.

But I hear you whining, “Buh buh butt mussel mass ain’t the same thang as fah fah fat!”

Trust me, you won’t care after 40. I can tell you this even though I’m in my 20’s. When you get old, excess weight slows you down. It doesn’t matter if its leftover muscle from your glory days or just blubber from coach surfing. It slows you down all the same and you want to get rid of it.

I have worked with old guys who used to be weightlifers and football players and their bodies are a wreck. All of them would gladly give up their old “mussel” in order to lose 50 lbs. After 40, you just don’t give a shit about that kind of stuff anymore.

And on the other side, I’ve had many overweight people tell me how “skinny” they were back in HS/College.

“I used to be able to eat everything, I couldn’t gain a pound!”

Really? Tell me about it.

Bottom line: If you want to get big, just wait until you’re over 30. It WILL happen. It happens to everyone. You have nothing to worry about.

Unless you have some sort of medical condition, like hyperthyroidism, worrying about “never being able to get big” is as dumb and irrational as a high school virgin worrying that he’ll never get to go out with a girl.

In the meantime, “big guys” who yell at young kids because they of their fondness for slim, aesthetic physiques and ab definition are assholes. Don’t tell that skinny teen to eat more food - he’ll be fat soon enough as it is. Why not let him enjoy the few years of his life where he’ll actually be able to see his abs?[/quote]

Nominal prospect, indeed.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I think I figured it all out.

Judging by his avatar, I suspect that nominal prospect has a Napoleon complex.

Yeah, I know the avatar isn’t napoleon, but it’s close enough.

Napoleon was a megalomaniac, and I suspect old NP is one too.

Shame for one so young to be subject to that kind of psychological delusion.

BBB[/quote]

I was thinking more along the lines of idiot savant, with the emphasis on idiot. But megalomaniac works for me.

And I shall call him…‘mini-Putin’.

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.?Carl Sagan

NP really needs to take this to heart, he seems to think that just because he is going against the grain and being hated by the majority, that he is automatically the shit.

i’m in group 1 but train “like a bodybuilder”

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
I love the line of thinking: Make outlandish claims and dare everyone else to prove you wrong.[/quote]

I have backed up my “outlandish claims” with logic and reason.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Anyone remember Al’s photo thread?[/quote]

Yes, I do. Many people do. Now that we’ve remembered it, why not forget it? It is completely unremarkable and not worth discussing 3 years after the fact.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
By Popular Request I think. “I’m immortal and I refuse to believe anything else until I see proof of my own death”, or something along those lines. Brilliant.

Keep it coming. Seriously. This is gold. I’ll keep reading, chewing on my .9 of a banana and waiting until I’m 40 and huge.[/quote]

You want to raise topics from 2005?

Fine, we’ll do that. You are misguided. I think you do not understand what I wrote back then, so I’m going to explain it to you.

The immortality topic was intended to be a thought experiment on the scope and limitations of human knowledge.

I never said I was immortal. I only said that in a strict, empirical sense, it was impossible to “know” that I was going to die. I stand by that statement, because it’s academically correct.

.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.
.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.
.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.

It is worth repeating so that people will see it.

Listen, I get the joke:

This skinny kid thinks he knows everything about training and life. He posts his diet and it turns out he is meticulously measuring all of his portions. .9 banana? What a joke. The kid needs to shut up, start eating and lifting heavy.

See? I get it 100%. Then how come I’m not laughing?

Because the paragraph above has no resemblance to reality. You and other meatheads chose to interpret my words in a way that would fit your pre-conceived notions about me.

Here’s the reality:
As I said, .9 Banana came from Fitday, not from me.

Fitday.com accepts standard measurements and converts them to decimals.

I didn’t come up with .9 Banana.

I never weighed out tenths of a banana.

I tried to explain this at the time, but people ignored it because it was easier and more amusing to play a pretend game and make fun of me for something I didn’t do.

You found it easier to create a fictional reality where I was some deluded kid with a superiority complex than to accept the fact that I might actually be right. None of this had any basis in fact.

Now you know. I expect the comments to stop about this nonsense.

You must be American by birth, right? I have a hard time believing that a European born and educated person could be so ignorant.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
NP really needs to take this to heart, he seems to think that just because he is going against the grain and being hated by the majority, that he is automatically the shit.[/quote]

Hey, “That One Guy”, look here:

Just…tell…me…why…I’m…wrong.

Don’t give me quotes. Don’t sing me songs. Don’t make jokes. Don’t post funny pictures. Don’t refer to threads made in 2005.

All you have to do is to choose a single statement I’ve made on this thread and provide a step-by-step explanation of why that statement is false or misguided.

Example:
NP, you claim that such and such is true because of this and that. Well, this and that aren’t correllated, and such and such does not apply to the point you making.

It really isn’t that hard to point out the fault in someone’s argument. Provided, of course, that the person is incorrect.

There is not a human being on earth who accepts that he or she is “wrong” simply because another person tells them so. You shouldn’t need me to tell you that.

I’m not going to spontaneously get on my knees and say, “Gee, now that X number of people have disagreed with me, I think I’ll abandon my argument”.

NOBODY does that. EVER. And I mean, EVER. The ONLY way in which people change their views is if they are FORCEFULLY proven wrong. You have to methodically dismantle my argument, piece by piece. DON’T tell me that “that’s what everyone else did”. If I’m still here, then obviously it didn’t work.

I just made a claim that age is the primary determinant of the physical size that a person can obtain. The older he is, the easier it will be for him to put on size. Do you know what be the perfect refutation of such a claim? Do you need me to tell you? I’m sure you do:

The perfect refutation of my claim would be for you to post documented examples of individuals who lost size between their college years and their thirties, forties, or fifties.

If a number of such people exist, you can prove my argument wrong quite easily. All you have to do is find out who those people are and cite them on this thread.

Must I continue doing this? That is, must I continue telling my inept opponents how to counter my own arguments?

I want to see my arguments proven wrong as much as all of you.

But it hasn’t happened yet. And faith isn’t going to accomplish it.

[quote]dankid wrote:
T-Nation, you guys need to hire this guy as a full time author. I would look forward to a weekly article written by NP and his words of wisdom. No joking, im serious.[/quote]

It is bound to happen eventually. I have said it before. And I’m not joking, either.

See, what you guys are having a very hard time understanding is that I don’t “choose” to be extraordinarily perceptive and right any more than the majority of you choose to be thick numbskulls.

We’re given certain talents at birth (or not) and we have to live with those talents, like it or not.

The biggest crime I’ve committed here has not been my refusal to “admit that I’m wrong”, as some of you claim

A couple pages ago I pointed out that, among the most respected contributors to this forum, no one has “admit to being wrong” on anything.

For instance, Rainjack and Prof X are two highly arrogant, brash individuals who will NEVER admit to being wrong on anything. Certainly not on an internet forum, and probably not in real life, either.

So don’t come after me with the cannard that I’m too “arrogant”. That is a strawman. Everyone here is arrogant and you know that very well.

What’s my crime, then? Nothing, other than the fact that I have the audacity to articulate my beliefs and never back down.

Instead of posting snippets, I post essays. Instead of retorting to flames, I retort to logic.

That’s my one true crime.

Think about it. I’m identical to you in every other way besides the fact that I happen to hold very strong opinions and have the ability to write essays in defense of them.

Aside from that, I’m just another arrogant bastard. Like Charles Poliquin. Like Professor X. Like Rainjack. Like Vegita.

[u]Same as the rest of you.[/i]

OP,

Please post current pics, stats, and gym numbers.

That is all.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
See, what you guys are having a very hard time understanding is that I don’t “choose” to be extraordinarily perceptive and right any more than the majority of you choose to be thick numbskulls.

We’re given certain talents at birth (or not) and we have to live with those talents, like it or not.

The biggest crime I’ve committed here has not been my refusal to “admit that I’m wrong”, as some of you claim

A couple pages ago I pointed out that, among the most respected contributors to this forum, no one has “admit to being wrong” on anything.

For instance, Rainjack and Prof X are two highly arrogant, brash individuals who will NEVER admit to being wrong on anything. Certainly not on an internet forum, and probably not in real life, either.

So don’t come after me with the cannard that I’m too “arrogant”. That is a strawman. Everyone here is arrogant and you know that very well.

What’s my crime, then? Nothing, other than the fact that I have the audacity to articulate my beliefs and never back down.

Instead of posting snippets, I post essays. Instead of retorting to flames, I retort to logic.

That’s my one true crime.

Think about it. I’m identical to you in every other way besides the fact that I happen to hold very strong opinions and have the ability to write essays in defense of them.

Aside from that, I’m just another arrogant bastard. Like Charles Poliquin. Like Professor X. Like Rainjack. Like Vegita.

[u]Same as the rest of you.[/i][/quote]

I agree with your “philoshophy” on HIIT. But were you serious with your original post? You seem to have alot to say and a lot of time, (TEHe, a few essays worth of time,) but I want to know how this revelation came about?

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
See, what you guys are having a very hard time understanding is that I don’t “choose” to be extraordinarily perceptive and right any more than the majority of you choose to be thick numbskulls.

We’re given certain talents at birth (or not) and we have to live with those talents, like it or not.

[/quote]

Man, you’re a real piece of work.

Freud calls narcissism a primary process of differentiation of the self, as the ego originates in a gradual separation of individual and environment. As an infant, megalomania and self-centeredness are probably adaptive, supporting survival, but our initial narcissism should erode as we grow and mature, unless trauma or mental illness intervenes.

So what happened, NP? Is this really all part of some unresolved Oedipal episode? Did mommy not love you enough? Let’s talk through this. It’ll be difficult, I know. There may be tears. But you’re clearly a troubled soul in need of help.

Just enjoy the guy and throw him a banana for performing his tricks. His pics are ready for delivery to whoever wants to see them…but not just yet. its too funny reading anything he writes.

The oogmeister has the lowdown on his gym and its location, if you want. That
I’m planning to visit his gym with some of my buds to have a “word with the skinny PT” on effective training techniques after christmas.

With his amazing functional training and progress, he and his muscular clients will have no problem “friendly conversing” with a bunch of big black guys who’re familiar with his views on race through his writings.
Videos will be posted if/when we do go there (mature viewing)

In the meantime, enjoy his ramblings…while he still can ramble lol.

[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
See, what you guys are having a very hard time understanding is that I don’t “choose” to be extraordinarily perceptive and right any more than the majority of you choose to be thick numbskulls.

We’re given certain talents at birth (or not) and we have to live with those talents, like it or not.

Man, you’re a real piece of work.

Freud calls narcissism a primary process of differentiation of the self, as the ego originates in a gradual separation of individual and environment. As an infant, megalomania and self-centeredness are probably adaptive, supporting survival, but our initial narcissism should erode as we grow and mature, unless trauma or mental illness intervenes.

So what happened, NP? Is this really all part of some unresolved Oedipal episode? Did mommy not love you enough? Let’s talk through this. It’ll be difficult, I know. There may be tears. But you’re clearly a troubled soul in need of help.[/quote]

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_support/ignore_function

What exercises do you do on the other days?

Just to keep the fun going…

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
I love the line of thinking: Make outlandish claims and dare everyone else to prove you wrong.

I have backed up my “outlandish claims” with logic and reason.
[/quote]
Like this?
[i]

If you want to get “big”, simply wait until you’re 50. Nearly everyone in Western countries spends their last few decades oversized. That is why it I find it so idiotic to yell at poor kids for “not eating enough” the way that so many people are fond of doing on this board.

But I hear you whining, “Buh buh butt mussel mass ain’t the same thang as fah fah fat!”

Trust me, you won’t care after 40.
…[/i]

So, when you reach 40, you stop caring about your body composition?

Let’s see…

We have members here older than 40.
Most of them definitely care about gaining muscle, losing fat, and if weight gains consist of muscle or fat. Many even spend quite a lot of money on supplements and other things to reach their goals.
Some have even lost weight above the age of 40.

This was too easy.

Feel free to twist my words and your previous statement at will. You know you want to. Maybe convince yourself it’s all just the European education system gone bad.

[quote]
michael2507 wrote:
By Popular Request I think. “I’m immortal and I refuse to believe anything else until I see proof of my own death”, or something along those lines. Brilliant.

Keep it coming. Seriously. This is gold. I’ll keep reading, chewing on my .9 of a banana and waiting until I’m 40 and huge.

You want to raise topics from 2005?

Fine, we’ll do that. You are misguided. I think you do not understand what I wrote back then, so I’m going to explain it to you.

The immortality topic was intended to be a thought experiment on the scope and limitations of human knowledge.

I never said I was immortal. I only said that in a strict, empirical sense, it was impossible to “know” that I was going to die. I stand by that statement, because it’s academically correct.[/quote]

I understood it then and I understand it now.

Just to clue you in: We were laughing about you being a skinny kid and resorting to irrelevant philosophical statements in order to deflect negative comments about your body. The fact that you got bent out of shape about it and responded with lengthy, pseudo-scholarly posts made it even more fun.

Some things never change.

[quote]
.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.
.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.
.9 Banana came from Fitday. I didn’t come up with it.

It is worth repeating so that people will see it.

Listen, I get the joke:

This skinny kid thinks he knows everything about training and life. He posts his diet and it turns out he is meticulously measuring all of his portions. .9 banana? What a joke. The kid needs to shut up, start eating and lifting heavy.

See? I get it 100%. Then how come I’m not laughing?

Because the paragraph above has no resemblance to reality. You and other meatheads chose to interpret my words in a way that would fit your pre-conceived notions about me.

Here’s the reality:
As I said, .9 Banana came from Fitday, not from me.

Fitday.com accepts standard measurements and converts them to decimals.

I didn’t come up with .9 Banana.

I never weighed out tenths of a banana.

I tried to explain this at the time, but people ignored it because it was easier and more amusing to play a pretend game and make fun of me for something I didn’t do.

You found it easier to create a fictional reality where I was some deluded kid with a superiority complex than to accept the fact that I might actually be right. None of this had any basis in fact.

Now you know. I expect the comments to stop about this nonsense.

You must be American by birth, right? I have a hard time believing that a European born and educated person could be so ignorant.[/quote]

Throwing a tantrum?

You posted a picture of a skinny kid and you posted your diet containing fractions of food. It was funny to me and a majority of people here and quite frankly, I couldn’t care less who “came up” with the .9 of a banana.

I couldn’t care less who came up with it.
I couldn’t care less who came up with it.
I couldn’t care less who came up with it.

It is worth repeating so that people will see it.

Looking forward to another lengthy response.

THIS is the .9 banana guy?

AWESOME.

[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
THIS is the .9 banana guy?

AWESOME.[/quote]

lol, why am I not surprised?

How bout this one.

Beginners experience a lot of soreness from very little work. Beginners also experience mainly neural gains for the first few weeks/months. Then they dont get sore anymore, but get bigger. Hmmmm? So that means soreness causes muscles to not grow, and when soreness dissapears you start getting bigger?

I dont believe so, im just stating NP’s logic. You cant base everything off correlations. That is a very elementary way of understanding how the world works.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Out of everyone who has posted so far, let’s count the number who have directly addressed my claims.

First page:
waylanderxx
tribunaldude
aussie101
Chris Colucci

Second page:
zephead4747

The people listed above deserves props for at least trying.

Hint: If I was even half the idiot that you all seem to think I am, then a few more of you would have posted really good refutations of my claims by now.

As far as I’m concerned, if you critize me without even attempting to refute my argument, you’re bolstering my case.

28 replies not including my own and only 5 attempted refutations. Sad.

You can keep telling me that “I don’t get it” but I will ignore you because the numbers say otherwise.[/quote]

I can’t believe Bill Roberts even attempted to refute you with a thinly veiled ad hominem. Shows how utterly lost people can be to make logical arguments against sound reasoning.

Considering he is supposed to be a professional maybe he should do more than a one post reply…fucking sad!

Excellent generalization BTW, T-Nation should be paying you to write articles. I get what you are saying. It makes sense. It is simple to understand though should not be confused as a simple task to accomplish.

[quote]dankid wrote:
can we make this a sticky?[/quote]

Fuck yes, because I like watching NP make y’all look like a bunch on no mind peons.

[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Just enjoy the guy and throw him a banana for performing his tricks.
[/quote]

Don’t you mean .9 banana?

Even if fitday did come up with that, fucking LOL.