[quote]tplet wrote:
i need to do this for a month, what will coconut oil do?[/quote]
Wait a sec!
I had said,
You replied,
Now it’s going to be a month?!?
You seem bound and determined to keep providing evidence for the eating disorder explanation.
You do NOT need to do this for a month and should not.
Try it for a FEW DAYS, for example three or four days if you want.
Then after that, prove to us all you don’t have an eating disorder by going to a 1500 calorie per day plan that gets at least 50% of its calories from fat and carbs.
I would recommend that while most of the time your planned carb level is OK for your month-long diet, there should be another, additional 140 g at least of carbs per week added in at some points, e.g. two days that are at about 100 g/day carbs. If you want lower fat on those days and same protein, fine.
If you remain bound and determined to go a month at less than 1500 cal/day, I’m sorry but the only explanation is eating disorder. It would not be ignorance, because you’ve been more than informed by this point. And it would not be stupidity, because it’s obvious you’re quite intelligent. It would not be a practical reason, because the practical thing to do is NOT to go below the 1500 cal/day.
Doing so is the cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face thing to do. Psychological would be the ONLY remaining explanation.
not a protein fast, just a cutting diet to make me 114 by feb. 1st. im throwing psmf out the window unless its a last resort. i need low carb, high protein, moderate fat.
[quote]tplet wrote:
not a protein fast, just a cutting diet to make me 114 by feb. 1st. im throwing psmf out the window unless its a last resort. i need low carb, high protein, moderate fat.[/quote]
Do you mean you need a diet to maintain your weight after reaching it?
no, a diet to get my weight down to there. maintaining isnt an issue and i will only need to weigh 114 very short term. i need suggestions fast as im about to go shopping. i need to be high protein, moderate fat, under 30g carbs. under 1000 cals a day. this is a 500 cal deficit.
jesus christ, i dont have an ED. i need to be 114 as quickly as i can, a month is the LATEST i have to make it. i want to get down to 114 asap and then maintain and up cardio and everything. give me helpful suggestions. so far i got sardines, olive oil, fiberous veggies, multivitamin, chicken breast, and tuna.
[quote]tplet wrote:
jesus christ, i dont have an ED. i need to be 114 as quickly as i can, a month is the LATEST i have to make it. i want to get down to 114 asap and then maintain and up cardio and everything. give me helpful suggestions.
so far i got sardines, olive oil, fiberous veggies, multivitamin, chicken breast, and tuna.[/quote]
We don’t care about you erectile dysfunction, that’s another matter for another time. Just listen to what Bill is saying.
[quote]tplet wrote:
no, a diet to get my weight down to there. maintaining isnt an issue and i will only need to weigh 114 very short term. i need suggestions fast as im about to go shopping. i need to be high protein, moderate fat, under 30g carbs. under 1000 cals a day. this is a 500 cal deficit.[/quote]
NO NO NO NO NO
You are mistaken in keeping on claiming that a value such as 1000 cal/day would be only a 500 cal/day deficit.
You’ve been told plainly that your figure for maintenance is wrong. But you keep using it.
You’ve been given enough help. What you need to do is listen to what you’ve already been told. Telling you the same yet again and yet again will not help.
I don’t think you will do it, and you know the reason why I think you won’t. But the choice is yours. You could perhaps overcome your obsession to do the wrong thing and instead do the right thing, or you can choose the wrong. Your choice.
Anything further said past this is a waste.
I suggest to everyone, though of course each will do as they see best, that unless tplet posts that he has changed his mind and in fact plans on consuming at least 1500 cal/day in the month-long diet, to stop feeding the sickness. He has enough basis already to decide the right thing.
Going back and forth more on it, without his having already decided what he needs to decide and already has been far more than enough informed to decide, would just be adding to the problem.
ok…i went to find a different maintainance calc. maintainance for me is 1600. a 500 cal deficit is 1100. i will eat that much daily. i will use olive oil to supplement. still going low carb, lots of fiberous veggies. omega 6 eggs. tuna sardines and chicken breast
[quote]tplet wrote:
ok…i went to find a different maintainance calc. maintainance for me is 1600. a 500 cal deficit is 1100. i will eat that much daily. i will use olive oil to supplement. still going low carb, lots of fiberous veggies. omega 6 eggs. tuna sardines and chicken breast
thank you bill as you helped the most[/quote]
Based on the numbers you are getting for maintenane I think you are only calculating BMR, without factoring in activity levels.
BMR=How many calories you need to eat if you did NO ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER, that is what you are calculating
Maintenance Calories= BMR+calories burned from lifestyle activities. Even if you live a sedentery lifestyle YOUR maintenance would be 1800. Since you are fairly active your maintenane is probably closer to 2300.
I didn’t help enough as you are still determined to do the wrong thing.
Not as badly wrong. At least the degree of being way off track has been cut at least in half, but you are still going too low.
Exactly where the calculator is that accounts for your being an athletic 14-year old with reasonable muscle mass for your weight and – despite how your abs may look due to water – pretty low bodyfat, I have no idea.
Why it is that you trust a calculator rather than all the human beings here, and more than your own personal experience – you say you had long-term been eating about 3000 cal/day and with no terrifically-fast fat gain, e.g. not one lb per week every week, let alone 3 lb every week as your “calculator” figure would have us conclude, so there is no way your maintenance could be far below the 3000 – I don’t know.
Other than the explanation I already provided, which does explain everything.
dude – perhaps it would be better for you to take these types of questions to a different type of website – very few if any of the T-Nation agree with your goals, training, ad eating habits.
This is not a site that will encourage you to stay small - eat like an anorexic teenage girl, mess up your hormones.
I know that you have decided to wrestle at that crazy weight class – that is your right but, coming here for advice is counter-productive to your goals. However if you were to listen then perhaps it would be beneficial.
The reality seems that sure you only have to get to weight 2 more times – but when that is over (the truth is) you are not going to start to eat again 1800-2000 calories and try to gain as much muscles as possible. I could be wrong – you are just not patient enough. you will gain a little water at first and think you are fat and have to “CUT” again.
Seriously, you have been told what you need to do on here enough – i wont elaborate except … squat, dead, bench, pull up, eat…
You seem to have good genetics – take advantage of them or shut up and go post on the anorexic wrestler site.
I am not trying to be rough with you – just you need a wake up call as many others have said on here.
i put little/no excersize as i workout for an hour 2 days straight 1 day full body weightlifting, 1 day hard cardio then off day. and just sit on the couch the rest of the time
[quote]tplet wrote:
i put little/no excersize as i workout for an hour 2 days straight 1 day full body weightlifting, 1 day hard cardio then off day. and just sit on the couch the rest of the time[/quote]
Dude, that is moderate activity (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
You exercise 3-5 days a week. 1600 x 1.55 = 2480, YOUR MAINTENANCE IS 2480, a 500 deficit would be 2000!!!
[quote]thejkl wrote:
i posted this on your row machine post:
dude – perhaps it would be better for you to take these types of questions to a different type of website – very few if any of the T-Nation agree with your goals, training, ad eating habits.
This is not a site that will encourage you to stay small - eat like an anorexic teenage girl, mess up your hormones.
I know that you have decided to wrestle at that crazy weight class – that is your right but, coming here for advice is counter-productive to your goals. However if you were to listen then perhaps it would be beneficial.
The reality seems that sure you only have to get to weight 2 more times – but when that is over (the truth is) you are not going to start to eat again 1800-2000 calories and try to gain as much muscles as possible. I could be wrong – you are just not patient enough. you will gain a little water at first and think you are fat and have to “CUT” again.
Seriously, you have been told what you need to do on here enough – i wont elaborate except … squat, dead, bench, pull up, eat…
You seem to have good genetics – take advantage of them or shut up and go post on the anorexic wrestler site.
I am not trying to be rough with you – just you need a wake up call as many others have said on here.
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i am not unhappy with how i look due to retaining water and such, my weight class this season was and is 114. afterwords trust me, i dont want to weigh 114 i want to get stronger and will eat alot more.
to say im fat now isnt true im just not at that weight class due to probably 10 pounds of water retention and 2-4 pounds of fat. this is a helpful site and i am starting to take alot more advice.
You’ve been given correct information. You should not go below 1500 cal/day. You can achieve your goal with that. You’ve been given correct information also that your figure for maintenance is wrong. Your above attempt to justify it does not. It is still wrong. RMR is if you don’t move at all.
You are not telling the truth if you claim you are on the couch, not moving, or in bed almost every hour of the week but for those workouts.
I’m done. You’ve been provided more than enough information and explanation. There is absolutely no difference in the likelihood of your accepting a rational and correct dietary plan vs the likelihood of an anorexic woman asking for advice actually folloowing a rational and correct dietary plan. The only plan she will follow is a destructive one. The same is true for you, or at least you’ve done a stellar job of showing us that.
The information is already here for you. 'Nuff said, finis – I do wish you the best but sadly cannot, due to what you’ve shown repeatedly, expect you to do the right thing that would best serve you.
Up it a TOUCH more… 