My Protein Sparing Modified Fast Log

OK, well this is starting to be much better news now.

There is a problem, but it’s not a long-standing one.

Up till September, you ate enough, but like most people the quality of what you ate was not good. The result was that, presumably pretty slowly, you added some fat weight. But you were at least taking in enough calories, assuming this recent dieting-down was your first such experience (???) and so if that’s the case, then indeed you weren’t hurting your growth up till this point in September.

Your choice of foods could have been better, your performance would have been better as a result, your body composition would have been better as a result, but no big deal: now you know one of the things NOT to do! :slight_smile:

However then in September you crashed off 20 lb, roughly, of weight in just three months. It is not the case, as seemed could be the case before, that you had been holding yourself down at around 110 for a long time. That is good.

But that rapid loss was not a good thing.

And it resulted in your recent extreme, sustained binge.

So it is fairer to say rather that your recent food choices have been characteristic of an eating disorder and your recent plan of how to respond to the consequences of the recent eating-disorder-type binging is also characteristic of an eating disorder, BUT long-term you haven’t suffered that.

That is good as it is far easier to get out of a trap just recently fallen into than one that has become ingrained.

If you undergo this severe dieting AGAIN then the consequence is extremely likely to be ridiculous binging AGAIN.

Your previous way-over-severe dieting probably depressed your metabolic rate severely. For this reason, it may have seemed to you that your maintenance is 1400 calories. But your maintenance when healthy is probably much more like the 3000 that you had previously been averaging.

The fact that you slowly added some fat at such intake doesn’t change the number much.

As for your water bloat, that does NOT take any severe dieting to get rid of.

If you’ve only gained a few lb of fat, that does NOT take any severe dieting to get rid of either.

Try 2000 calories for a short while and then after that, don’t look to limit how much you eat, but limit rather the poor choices in food.

And don’t go for weird macronutrient (protein, fat, carb) plans such as nearly-all-protein. At LEAST half of caloric intake should be other than protein. More typically at least 60%.

Your diet begun in September was also bad. Namely, “12 egg whites 1 yolk, multivitamin, water, tuna fish sandwich on whole wheat low carb bread packed with lettuce and light mayo, chicken breast and 3 servings of broccoli.”

Low-carb, OK. But extreme low fat at the same time? No.

There is almost no fat in that diet.

Everyone makes mistakes: the trick is to not repeat them! :slight_smile:

Listen to Mr. Roberts

Mr. Roberts is making the most sense to me. may be charactoristic of an eating disorder, but i know i dont have one. when i eat the shit food…well, it just tastes so good compared to foods used to lose weight like celery that i eat a shitload and say “well, i’ll just get back on it tomorrow” which is a pussy excuse for over eating i know.

i didnt do so good today at the family christmas party, and im 126 now due to bloat…its probably also important i mention since my thumb is broke, my training is cut back drasticly. i alternate a grueling full body workout and a 1-2 mile sprint run and then take a day off.

when on the original september diet i went through muay thai boxing classes, jiu jitsu, and wrestling practices…and did get through them fine. then i’d “Carb up” for big matches/tournaments. i dont want you guys to think i stay on this for longer than about a week…i just need my weight atleast within “striking distance” of 114 by january 6th…how much is fat and water loss doesnt matter.

Why dont u just keep eating your fucking calories, and just work a little fucking harder for that fat loss.

[quote]tplet wrote:

i didnt do so good today at the family christmas party, and im 126 now due to bloat…[/quote]

If you want to maintain a low weight… how about having some self-control and NOT binging on pure SHIT?

Why do people like you or my friend make it so complicated? Don’t binge on JUNK! it is NOT hard!

i think its because the “weight cutting foods” for wrestlers are mainly egg whites, tuna, and celery…all of which arent very tastey. all i can say is, thank god the holidays are done and im no longer tempted lol.

time to go watch the stacked ufc card…

Yes, it IS hard after coming off a three-month (approximately) overly severe diet that failed to meet nutritional needs, as was the case here.

It’s like someone with no problem with pain killers saying “Just don’t take the pills: it is NOT hard!”

Well it is not hard for such a person.

But for the person who got himself into the physical state resulting from addiction, and now has been without the pain pills for a day or two, the idea that it is not hard for them to resist taking a pill, if it’s available to take, is mistaken.

It is easy for me to decide not to have a box of Twinkies, Ho-Ho’s, Ring-Dings, Devil Dogs, or Hostess Cupcakes, let alone a box of each. It’s easy for you to decide that.

It is NOT easy for the person just recently come off of a crazy, unbalanced crash diet.

well guys i never really stuck with the diet for long term without having carb ups, so doesnt that reset my metabolism and such everytime and provide me with more nutrients? its mainly been a CKD diet…i can say no as i’ve done it at the OTHER side of the family party yesterday…the stuff is just so damn tastey, when i can get away with eating alot of it i do it.

[quote]Poetikaal wrote:

P.S. EATING 200g of protein and NOTHING ELSE wont conserve LBM. if YOUR BODY HAS NO CALORIES it will USE THE PROTEIN CALORIES to live, i.e. that muscle you are trying to spare…goodbye.[/quote]

if this is true, does that mean lyells PSMF study was bogus? where all the peoples calories came from nothing but protein and they preserved all lbm? serious question, not sarcasm.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, it IS hard after coming off a three-month (approximately) overly severe diet that failed to meet nutritional needs, as was the case here.

It’s like someone with no problem with pain killers saying “Just don’t take the pills: it is NOT hard!”

Well it is not hard for such a person.

But for the person who got himself into the physical state resulting from addiction, and now has been without the pain pills for a day or two, the idea that it is not hard for them to resist taking a pill, if it’s available to take, is mistaken.

It is easy for me to decide not to have a box of Twinkies, Ho-Ho’s, Ring-Dings, Devil Dogs, or Hostess Cupcakes, let alone a box of each. It’s easy for you to decide that.

It is NOT easy for the person just recently come off of a crazy, unbalanced crash diet.[/quote]

Point taken. I just know my friend always eats horribly… and then tries to cut crazy amounts of weight… binges on crap like he usually does… and then freaks out when he’s 5lbs over his weight class. It’s just like… duhhhh…

[quote]tplet wrote:
Poetikaal wrote:

P.S. EATING 200g of protein and NOTHING ELSE wont conserve LBM. if YOUR BODY HAS NO CALORIES it will USE THE PROTEIN CALORIES to live, i.e. that muscle you are trying to spare…goodbye.

if this is true, does that mean lyells PSMF study was bogus? where all the peoples calories came from nothing but protein and they preserved all lbm? serious question, not sarcasm.[/quote]

I haven’t read Lyell’s study so can’t comment on it.

What I have read in the literature on it has not been quite as you have been proposing.

While caloric intake was around your 800 calorie figure in the adolescents studied, this was NOT from protein-only. Foods recommended to be included have included lean hamburger, whole eggs (and not just one egg) and so forth. Protein content was only, using the value from one specific study, 2 grams per kg bodyweight. In your case that would be about 110 g protein.

So protein would comprise 440 of the 800 (if that number) calories, with the bulk of the remainder being fats.

Fats that your plan avoids but should not.

One of the studies did show substantial drop in resting metabolic rate from such a diet even in a short period of time.

If you want to do this for a few days, fine.

yes, its only a few days untill i lose all the water bloat. day 1 is tomorrow lol.

alright…hows THIS look?

breakfast: 12 egg whites, multivitamin.
41G protein, 2g carbs, 200 calories.

lunch: tuna and broccoli on low carb whole wheat tortilla wrap.
200 calories. 28g protein. 12g carbs.

snack:designer whey chocolot protein shake.
100 calories. 2g carb. 18g protein.

snack: 4 servings of green beans 100 calories, 20g carbs.

dinner: tuna. 270 calories. 60g protein.

calories: 870.
macronutrients: 147g protein. 32g carbs. 10g fat.

after getting my thumb xrayed, i need to be 114 by february first.

[quote]tplet wrote:
alright…hows THIS look?

breakfast: 12 egg whites, multivitamin.
41G protein, 2g carbs, 200 calories.

lunch: tuna and broccoli on low carb whole wheat tortilla wrap.
200 calories. 28g protein. 12g carbs.

snack:designer whey chocolot protein shake.
100 calories. 2g carb. 18g protein.

snack: 4 servings of green beans 100 calories, 20g carbs.

dinner: tuna. 270 calories. 60g protein.

calories: 870.
macronutrients: 147g protein. 32g carbs. 10g fat.

after getting my thumb xrayed, i need to be 114 by february first. [/quote]

not enough fat.
the body prefers dietary fats for fuel. if you are not getting fats it will use carbs,if not carbs it will use any6thing it can get ahold of
in your case it will be protein.

you will drop weight but you will be in a catabolic state,eating up the little muscle you do have and you wil without a doubt become weak.
you can justify it all you want I still see this as being a horrible idea.

also that study,I have not read it either,but I am sure that study was done on fully grown adults,and not 14 year old people.
and it is also possible that this thing was done on not only adults but fully developed,obese adults.

if that was the case then it would be a HUGE difference between what you want to do and that they did.

I am just guessing though,like I said I have never even heard of this study you are refering to.

where and what should i add fats in while still keeping cals under 1000

[quote]tplet wrote:
where and what should i add fats in while still keeping cals under 1000[/quote]

ok, if you really want to do this, add in fish oil,full fat cheeses.

maybe some cottage chese at bedtime.

why stay under 1000 calories. if you can stay around there it really dosent mater if you go over by a couple hundred calories.

also please read my edit i added to the above post.

I did a google search,on your PSMF and I come up with one common thing with every single site I go to. here is the phrase that they all have in common.

[quote]

The protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) is the fastest, most aggressive means of losing weight. We generally reserve this for those with serious illness associated with morbid obesity, or those who are in need of surgery in the very near future.

It is generally considered safe when undertaken under a doctor’s supervision and when used for three months or less.[/quote]

note the words morbid obese and surgery.

this is a weight loss plan that will throw you into a ketogenic mode very fast,and it is to drop insane amounts of weight to get a person in on the cutting table to save their life.

THIS IS NOT FOR YOU.and IT IS NOT SAFE. it is used as a last ditch effort. a starvation diet.
I know I have heard of this someplace but wasnt sure where.

the thing is fat people carry around more muscle than you have so they wil loose some lbm but its not that big of a deal.

when you want to go to surgery it dosent mater at that point what goes away,just as long as the scale numbers are down.

so whats more important a damaged metabolism or a reptured spleen, or a damaged heart valve.

this is also for fully grown morbid obese people and not for young and up and coming athletes.

please think this over again again.

If I were to restrict myself to only one change in the above diet, I would swap out the 12 egg whites for 6 omega-3 whole eggs.

(The omega-3 eggs give you a little more protein than regular eggs and may be nutritionally superior all around, from the hens getting better food.)

If I could make only two changes, the second change would be sardines for about 32-40 g worth of protein for the dinner instead of the tuna.

If three changes were all I could do, the third one would be adding a tablespoon of coconut oil at the time of the protein shake. Whether mixed into the shake or, if solid due to temperature, eaten solid out of of the tablespoon.

On the points above on the general inadvistability: I agree if for any extended period of time. For just a few days, though, the mentioned concerns won’t be a problem.

i need to do this for a month, what will coconut oil do?

[quote]tplet wrote:
i need to do this for a month, what will coconut oil do?[/quote]

coconut oil,olive oil,fish oil
gives you the fats you NEED to live.
oversimplifcation of it but there you have it.