My experience with Heavy Duty HIT

I was desperate to build muscle when I was younger, so I read everything I could, listened to what people said too, mostly they said to train 3 sets of 10 reps. I found out later that it is actually a good tip!

As I said, I trained Mike Mentzer’s Heavy Duty HIT for about 2 years, maybe longer. I didn’t even grow 1 cm around my arms, I think, I remember using a tape measure every week.

Was it because I was a little untrained, that it didn’t work? Well, I don’t really think so, even if you are untrained, you would have grown at least 1 cm or two from swelling from the training alone. There was no growth, simply.

I trained chin-ups and deadlifts one day, rest for 1-2 weeks, and then dips and squats the next session, rest 1-2 weeks again. I always trained to failure, as Mike Mentzer recommended, because it is the last 1-2 reps that you grow, he said.

And then cadence, I lowered for four seconds, held for two seconds, and lifted for two seconds. I think there is too little explosive training to grow much, I am not for training heavy all the time, although it tends to recruit more muscle fibers. I noticed that when Arnold Schwarzenegger was an actor in Terminator, he was shaking when he lifted a shotgun, but could lift 250 kg in a bench press, yes, he only trained heavy mostly so the slow-twitch muscle fibers were not trained that well, so he lifts heavy, but can struggle to lift a sled, as I said. Yes, it is a bit the same problem with Heavy Duty HIT, you only train slow-twitch muscle fibers all the time, instead of training everything.

It is true that muscles do not break down again until after maybe 3-4 weeks without training, but you tend to lose some strength after a couple of weeks anyway, often just a week too, so it is an advantage to train often. Mike Mentzer talked a lot about overtraining too, but most professional bodybuilders train each muscle group 2-3 times a week, sometimes every day too, without it causing problems until after 5-6 weeks for example. Overtraining is often noticed by becoming tired and weak, irritable, etc. As I said, you notice it when you have to rest, it’s a little different on steroids too as protein synthesis is more efficient.

It should be said that Mike Mentzer himself never trained HIT, he trained like all other bodybuilders, maybe a little more intensively. But it is noticeable that it is a bit of the wrong approach to train too intensively, as you become too hard in appearance, Arnold for example. had a softer, more flexible appearance, more classically handsome, and more muscular from training 25 sets of each muscle group. I don’t think MIke Mentzer, stretched that much either or posed enough, since he had a slightly harder appearance, which was probably why he lost to Arnold too.

Again, a problem with training a few exercises is that the body gets used to it, it is common in bodybuilding to shock the muscles, so the body does not get used to the same routine all the time, and then you tend to train more types of muscle fibers when you vary the exercises, and train more. If you like training, it is often better to have a little more diversity in your training too, it is not just to shock the body.

Mike Mentzer recommended 60 % carbohydrates, 15 % fat, and 25 % protein, but I think that is a bit wrong too, I am not against carbohydrates as it fills muscles, and burns fat more easily, fat burning is actually much more effective on some carbohydrates. The usual rule is usually 1 gram of protein, per 1 kg of body weight, which professional bodybuilders go by, I think it is a little more effective, than just 25% protein.

I could go on and on about why Heavy Duty HIT doesn’t work, I enjoyed listening to him talk about training and diet, I read most of his books about philosophy as well, in addition to training and diet. It is said that he was a bit mad because he lost to Arnold, and said it was a conspiracy, I personally think that he was a bit crazy at the end, he probably meant well to help beginners with training, but when it doesn’t work. I discussed a lot with someone on youtube about this type of training, and he was always stubborn, but one day he finally showed a picture of his arm, and he looked a bit pale and chubby with small muscles, it was clear that HIT was too little training to look good and grow.

As I said, it was fun to try HIT and read books, watch videos, discuss with people, etc. But it was two years without results

but could lift 250 kg in a bench press

There is no record of Arnold ever benching this much.

How much bodyweight did you gain in the 2 years you trained HIT?

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Two exercises once every two weeks, where did you get that information???

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You beat me to it…Damn it.

Virtually any training for 2 years will help with size/strength if it is a new protocol for someone with a low training age. Although I dont think I ever met anyone who improved at anything in life by practicing it every 1 or 2 weeks.
Anything to do with the post being raised by someone who joined 4 hours ago and made this post 2 hours ago…

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Gained nothing, nothing at all. I was skinny, but my diet was mostly home-made food, I ate enough, I think

That was the consolidation-routine, he called it. The more effective routine for people who struggle to gain muscles

Is that the program you started with…the consolidation routine???

No, I started with the fullbody-routine, sort of. 5-6 exercises each workout, it was three times a week, gained nothing on 1-2 sets. Then I moved to the consolidation-routine as Mike recommended if you didn`t gain muscles

I ate enough

By the very definition, you did not. If you ate enough, you would have gained weight. The training being ineffective would mean that the weight you gained would be primarily fat, but it would still be gained.

Do not blame the program when you were not eating in a way to support the goals here. No program will work if you do not eat to support it.

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I don`t completly agree, some people when young the body stays the same even though you eat surplus calories. I was like that for many years. That said, I was very muscular couple of years ago on a normal routine. I gained pretty fast doing 10-15 sets

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I don`t completly agree, some people when young the body stays the same even though you eat surplus calories

No: the very definition of a calorie surplus is the amount of calories that, when consumed, results in weight gain.

If you are not gaining weight, it’s because you’re not eating enough food.

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Give Heavy Duty HIT a try then :rofl:

Give Heavy Duty HIT a try then

You first :slight_smile:

I don’t buy it…if you went from not lifting weights to lifting weights on any program and was consistent and went to failure or not failure and did progressive overload, with good form or sloppy form, and did 1 set, 2 sets or 10 sets and ate enough to be in a surplus and trained for at least 3 days a week you would have gained muscle and strength

HIT or not HIT

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Yup. People get bigger and stronger doing all sorts of nonsense. The sheer act of eating enough food will promote growth, and performing any manner of resistance training will promote growth. We see people sign up for gyms and just run every machine in a circuit and still get bigger and stronger, or just set out and do 50 push ups a day and grow.

And often, the sheer act of exercise compels these people to eat more, as their appetites naturally increase and they don’t track food intake: just eat instinctively. So they end up accidentally putting on muscle.

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The other is…you stated Mentzer did not perform HIT

it is well documented with his own books and eye witness from others that his training was HIT thru-out his bodybuilding career

he started with volume and eventually went to Arthur Jones and trained with Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator and Boyer Coe in HIT fashion at the nautilus headquarters
He also trained HIT fashion under the tutelage of Roger Schwab at his training facility prior to the 1980 Mr. Olympia, full body 3 times per week

after the Olympia he quit bodybuilding and started his Heavy Duty training methods

HD1
HD2
IDEAL ROUTINE
CONSOILDATION ROUTINE (mistake in my opinion) way too much rest time

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Curious question… im not for program hopping. But why would one keep using it for 2 years without results?

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When you rest 2 weeks between sessions, its honestly not that many workouts.

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Heavy Duty training can certainly work but you need to eat more than 85 grams of protein, which I suspect is a big part of the issue. Also you probably very quickly progressed to this 2 exercise every 2 weeks nonsense pretty quickly, so you weren’t really training and you ate like an absolute weenie. You probably should’ve stayed with something more conventional because beginners have a hard time getting everything out of 1 set. I work with a lot of beginners and to most of them, Training to failure just means training to mild discomfort.

Bodybuilding training will train a mix of slow twitch and fast twitch fibers, but the fast twitch(or type II fibers) seem to be the ones most susceptible to growth, although it really has no bearing on training, as fiber type just about never enters my brain. Pretty much nobody trains a muscle group 5 days a week unless it’s something like calves or abs. Saying that HIT practitioners get too hard in appearance while your own appearance didn’t change is pretty funny. Also to say that Arnold was soft in appearance but also more muscular just seems like an oxymoron. Him being more “classically handsome” also wasn’t brought about by his training.

This is really another insane post lecturing us about muscle growth without the poster actually having experienced muscle growth. Never spend two years training(and eating) a way that nets you zero results.

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