Just polished off 4 small hamburger patties and 4 slices of cheese.
Total Kcal for the day: 2800
10 g carbs
Got the blood work back and the HDL and LDL don’t look good. I will stick with this diet for a few weeks then test again. If they readings are still bad, I may be looking to move to T-Dawg or something that seems a little easier on the beef.
Any comments or suggestions?
Thanks.
[quote]egcabanissiii wrote:
Just polished off 4 small hamburger patties and 4 slices of cheese.
Total Kcal for the day: 2800
10 g carbs
Got the blood work back and the HDL and LDL don’t look good. I will stick with this diet for a few weeks then test again. If they readings are still bad, I may be looking to move to T-Dawg or something that seems a little easier on the beef.
Any comments or suggestions?
Thanks.
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How long are you on the diet? If you’re not long enough (a couple of weeks or more) those readings may result from the former way you were eating.
The only way high fat consumption doesn’t lead to lower cholesterol levels is when you consume mostly/exclusively saturated fat.
It is well established that mono and especially polyunsaturated fat are the best drug against high LDL, so do yourself a favor and consume as much of the latter as you can.
Also, fiber is very crucial and is strongly suggested in cases of high cholesterol.
hey all
found this eat well “candy bar” here are the stats.=== sugar free,16 grams carbs but 12 grams soluble fiber and 2 grams insoluble fiber,3 grams protein.
so these bars would have 2 grams carbs right? there is one serving per bar.they taste great and offer a fix for candy taste.they also contain zero sugar alchols. am i missing something here they seem to good to be true.let me know if there is somethingelse i should be looking for.
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
egcabanissiii wrote:
Just polished off 4 small hamburger patties and 4 slices of cheese.
Total Kcal for the day: 2800
10 g carbs
Got the blood work back and the HDL and LDL don’t look good. I will stick with this diet for a few weeks then test again. If they readings are still bad, I may be looking to move to T-Dawg or something that seems a little easier on the beef.
Any comments or suggestions?
Thanks.
How long are you on the diet? If you’re not long enough (a couple of weeks or more) those readings may result from the former way you were eating.
The only way high fat consumption doesn’t lead to lower cholesterol levels is when you consume mostly/exclusively saturated fat.
It is well established that mono and especially polyunsaturated fat are the best drug against high LDL, so do yourself a favor and consume as much of the latter as you can.
Also, fiber is very crucial and is strongly suggested in cases of high cholesterol.[/quote]
Agreed. Also, if you are that concerned, sup in some fish for some of the beef. Salmon and other omega-3 fish will bring down your overall sat fat intake. Or buy leaner cuts of beef. But, you must keep the fat intake high…thru olive oil or flax or whatever.
Personally, I eat red meat 2-3 times a week and never have problems. I feel best when my proteins come from a variety of places…fish, beef, chicken, shell fish, eggs, etc.
Now, about fiber…EAT IT. A lot of it. My brother, who is no longer a lifter, but a thin guy with high cholesterol dropped his numbers significantly by adding a lot of fiber and fish oil to his diet. Plus, if you are eating all that meat, it’s gotta come out sometime.
[quote]mikemazz wrote:
hey all
found this eat well “candy bar” here are the stats.=== sugar free,16 grams carbs but 12 grams soluble fiber and 2 grams insoluble fiber,3 grams protein.
so these bars would have 2 grams carbs right? there is one serving per bar.they taste great and offer a fix for candy taste.they also contain zero sugar alchols. am i missing something here they seem to good to be true.let me know if there is somethingelse i should be looking for.[/quote]
What’s the name of the bar? Read the ingredients list. I stay away from this kind of stuff, but if there are no sugar alch’s then it might not be too bad.
I’ve been having a tough time with the fiber supps.
Main Problem: Crohn’s Disease
I tend to have those explosive bowels without any assistance from the fiber. Fiber seems to make things worse. At least the fiber supps seem to. If I can get broccoli I seem to do ok. Spinach is a no go, raw or cooked.
Weighed in today – down about 2.5 lbs since starting the AD 16 days ago.
I am using CW’s SOB workout now, which is kicking my ass.
Thanks for the help, guys.
egc
ingredients in the bar are
choc ligour,fiber,cocoa butter,coca powder,almonds,soy lechhtin,sodium bicarbonate,sucalose,vanilla
[quote]mikemazz wrote:
ingredients in the bar are
choc ligour,fiber,cocoa butter,coca powder,almonds,soy lechhtin,sodium bicarbonate,sucalose,vanilla[/quote]
Man, too much chemistry going down the throat (for my standards)…Do you realy need this?
I’m sure you can come up with something homemade and even tastier
Give it a good 6-8 weeks minimum. And don’t live on beef. Doc (if you have/read his book) doesn’t in any way limit the diet to red meat. While steak is highly touted by many strength athletes, you may need to eat moderate read meat, and plenty of chicken, turkey, olive oil and FISH OIL. You sound like you might need to read the Metabolic Diet, Anabolic Solution, or even Natural Hormonal Enhancement to get a handle on what you’re doing.
Don’t make the mistake of branding the AD a “red meat only” diet and then discard it after a month of use. That doesn’t serve your purpose well at all. In all seriousness, it seems like you’re understanding/study of this diet is lacking and that is something you should fix, pronto. Know why, and I mean really why, you do anything, especially with diet.
I can’t say it enough, if you aren’t getting a minimum of 1.5g total EPA/DHA then you are not being too smart. Of every supplement I use, I’d never go without my fish oil. Yep, even more than protein powder.
Get it, use it.
Best,
DH
[quote]egcabanissiii wrote:
Just polished off 4 small hamburger patties and 4 slices of cheese.
Total Kcal for the day: 2800
10 g carbs
Got the blood work back and the HDL and LDL don’t look good. I will stick with this diet for a few weeks then test again. If they readings are still bad, I may be looking to move to T-Dawg or something that seems a little easier on the beef.
Any comments or suggestions?
Thanks.
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do you any of you take the fish oil in pill or capsul form? i tried the oil and cant stomach it. i belive in the book doc said take 2000 mg of it.i havent taken the epa/dha supp yet been on the diet for about a month now. im going to local gnc tomorrow to grab this in pill form. any recomadations? any other sups you guys use besides protien ,fiber,multi?
DH,
Thanks for dropping in. I have read the diet – at least twice. I’m taking about 10 fish oil caps per day and 4 flax caps per day. Also supplementing with greens and fruit caps.
Olive oil is in my protein drinks, 2 tbsp per 40g pro. I’m using the so called good stuff from the can, but the flavor is a bit rough. The wife mentioned coconut oil, which I’ve read a little bit about. How’s it compare to olive oil in taste?
Thanks for everyone’s help. I put on 85 pounds of BF last year courtesy of the nasty bastard prednisone (sp). I’ve lost about 40 lbs in 4 months and looking to tighten up the diet and my results for lifting and cardio, GPP – my favorite GPP is boxing 5 three minute rounds on the heavy bad combined with some rope work, shadow boxing and lastly the speed bag. That is an ass beater, especially late in the week when the carbs are gone.
Again, thanks for a great thread and the help.
egc
im getting confused.help! whats the differnce between fish and flax oil?are both necessay supplements?
I tried to get a response on coconut oil before. I love it but avoid it now because the Doc doesn’t seem to approve. In the book there is a subheading ‘stay away from these’ (chapter 3)where he states that MCT’s should be avoided. Most of which are derived from coconut oil.
Any thoughts??
If I’m not mistaken
The virgin coconut oil you’d see in health food stores is okay in moderation.
Things ‘derived’ from it aren’t. That implies it is partially hydrogenated or modified in some way. The straight natural stuff should be as acceptable as any other sat fat I would assume.
I think you need both the Fish and Flax oils to get the full range of omega’s: 3, 6 and 9.
I know this is nothing new, but I am always concerned about health with a family history of heart-attacks. I can’t help but flinch when I see recommendations for heavy whipping cream, bacon, etc. It seems like such a bad choice for any low carb diet. Same with too many full eggs.
First off, would it be more appropriate to do this diet eating something like this?
Chicken
Fish/Salmon/Tuna
Lean Meats only
Turkey Breast
Turkey/Beef Jerky
Whey (Low Carb)
Low Carb Milk
Cheese in Moderation
etc
Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil/Seeds, Olive Oil, etc
Bottom line - I don’t see a problem at all eating 50-70% fat as long as the ratio is more like 5:1 Poly/Mono to Saturated Fats and protein that is lean.
Am I wrong? Is there solid medical recommendations for eating way too much saturated fats? Short term may be ok, but long term? I am a little concerned that we are recommending a good “diet” with very bad health concerns.
Maybe my concern is for us over 35 people? It just seems so dangerous to overdue it on saturated fats.
Can this program work on a more lean protein and healthy fats and eliminate the foods on the diet that are actually bad for us if not in moderation?
Not a bash, just a concerned lifter and healthy eater looking to cut and then add some more size.
[quote]tpierce wrote:
I know this is nothing new, but I am always concerned about health with a family history of heart-attacks. I can’t help but flinch when I see recommendations for heavy whipping cream, bacon, etc. It seems like such a bad choice for any low carb diet. Same with too many full eggs.
First off, would it be more appropriate to do this diet eating something like this?
Chicken
Fish/Salmon/Tuna
Lean Meats only
Turkey Breast
Turkey/Beef Jerky
Whey (Low Carb)
Low Carb Milk
Cheese in Moderation
etc
Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil/Seeds, Olive Oil, etc
Bottom line - I don’t see a problem at all eating 50-70% fat as long as the ratio is more like 5:1 Poly/Mono to Saturated Fats and protein that is lean.
Am I wrong? Is there solid medical recommendations for eating way too much saturated fats? Short term may be ok, but long term? I am a little concerned that we are recommending a good “diet” with very bad health concerns.
Maybe my concern is for us over 35 people? It just seems so dangerous to overdue it on saturated fats.
Can this program work on a more lean protein and healthy fats and eliminate the foods on the diet that are actually bad for us if not in moderation?
Not a bash, just a concerned lifter and healthy eater looking to cut and then add some more size.
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In short, yes. It would be fine. I do disagree about whole eggs. If you are that concerned, get the Eggland’s best Omega-3 eggs.
Read the AD book…also read Udo’s book on fats. Sat. fat shouldn’t be completely avoided, but I don’t see a problem with stiving to get the majority of fats from mono and poly unsaturates.
[quote]tpierce wrote:
I know this is nothing new, but I am always concerned about health with a family history of heart-attacks. I can’t help but flinch when I see recommendations for heavy whipping cream, bacon, etc. It seems like such a bad choice for any low carb diet. Same with too many full eggs.
First off, would it be more appropriate to do this diet eating something like this?
Chicken
Fish/Salmon/Tuna
Lean Meats only
Turkey Breast
Turkey/Beef Jerky
Whey (Low Carb)
Low Carb Milk
Cheese in Moderation
etc
Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil/Seeds, Olive Oil, etc
Bottom line - I don’t see a problem at all eating 50-70% fat as long as the ratio is more like 5:1 Poly/Mono to Saturated Fats and protein that is lean.
Am I wrong? Is there solid medical recommendations for eating way too much saturated fats? Short term may be ok, but long term? I am a little concerned that we are recommending a good “diet” with very bad health concerns.
Maybe my concern is for us over 35 people? It just seems so dangerous to overdue it on saturated fats.
Can this program work on a more lean protein and healthy fats and eliminate the foods on the diet that are actually bad for us if not in moderation?
Not a bash, just a concerned lifter and healthy eater looking to cut and then add some more size.
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There is solid medical recommendations for the type of fat ratio one should daily consume: 33% sat, 33% mono, 33% poly.
There aren’t actually foods that are bad for us, only quantities of some foods (larger or smaller) that are bad for us. Our bodies need everything.
Eating lots of sat fat coming from tasty foods like bacon or whipping cream is just another tool that helps people to an easy start to the AD. I’m sure no-one who’s long enough on the diet relies too much on sat fat to satisfy his fat needs.
[quote]tpierce wrote:
I know this is nothing new, but I am always concerned about health with a family history of heart-attacks. I can’t help but flinch when I see recommendations for heavy whipping cream, bacon, etc. It seems like such a bad choice for any low carb diet. Same with too many full eggs.
First off, would it be more appropriate to do this diet eating something like this?
Chicken
Fish/Salmon/Tuna
Lean Meats only
Turkey Breast
Turkey/Beef Jerky
Whey (Low Carb)
Low Carb Milk
Cheese in Moderation
etc
Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil/Seeds, Olive Oil, etc
Bottom line - I don’t see a problem at all eating 50-70% fat as long as the ratio is more like 5:1 Poly/Mono to Saturated Fats and protein that is lean.
Am I wrong? Is there solid medical recommendations for eating way too much saturated fats? Short term may be ok, but long term? I am a little concerned that we are recommending a good “diet” with very bad health concerns.
Maybe my concern is for us over 35 people? It just seems so dangerous to overdue it on saturated fats.
Can this program work on a more lean protein and healthy fats and eliminate the foods on the diet that are actually bad for us if not in moderation?
Not a bash, just a concerned lifter and healthy eater looking to cut and then add some more size.
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Dr. D actually warns against this approach in the AD book. He says this is an instance where people are staying true to their “high carb masters” while simultaneously trying to do the AD and it just won’t work. He says turkey, chicken and fish should and can certainly be used but the staple meats still need to be beef/steak, pork, etc…
Absolutey fine. Just keep your fat % at 40-45% minimum of your total intake. This is a good precaution for those with genetic tendencies etc…
Fish oil is your best friend. 2-6g of EPH/DHA. To get this I have to take in as many as 15 caps from my Member’s Mark at Sam’s Club. Still cheap though. Eat plenty of fresh acceptable veggies.
You can limit sat fat to about 1/2 of your total fat intake of say 45%.
example:
3000 cals
1200 cals of fat (40%)
@500-600 cals of sat. fat
@600-700 cals of mono and poly’s. Mono is best and is found in various meats to differing degrees and of course olive oil. Your poly’s will come from fish oil and some foods.
This will be plenty of sat. fat for T health. Then olive oil, fish oil, and some slo-niacin are good too. Slo-niacin, used in a slowly ascending fashion to allow for tolerance individualities, is good for cholesterol levels. But just keep in mind, your loads should be quality. Its the triglycerides that are becoming the prominent suspect instead of cholesterol, and a crappy load can lead to not only a disappointing workout, but also poor lipid profiles as well for those who are genetically predisposed to such.
Your word for the diet: Quality. Eat only quality foods as often as possible. Now, don’t be a freak, but be smart. 
Best,
DH
[quote]tpierce wrote:
I know this is nothing new, but I am always concerned about health with a family history of heart-attacks. I can’t help but flinch when I see recommendations for heavy whipping cream, bacon, etc. It seems like such a bad choice for any low carb diet. Same with too many full eggs.
First off, would it be more appropriate to do this diet eating something like this?
Chicken
Fish/Salmon/Tuna
Lean Meats only
Turkey Breast
Turkey/Beef Jerky
Whey (Low Carb)
Low Carb Milk
Cheese in Moderation
etc
Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil/Seeds, Olive Oil, etc
Bottom line - I don’t see a problem at all eating 50-70% fat as long as the ratio is more like 5:1 Poly/Mono to Saturated Fats and protein that is lean.
Am I wrong? Is there solid medical recommendations for eating way too much saturated fats? Short term may be ok, but long term? I am a little concerned that we are recommending a good “diet” with very bad health concerns.
Maybe my concern is for us over 35 people? It just seems so dangerous to overdue it on saturated fats.
Can this program work on a more lean protein and healthy fats and eliminate the foods on the diet that are actually bad for us if not in moderation?
Not a bash, just a concerned lifter and healthy eater looking to cut and then add some more size.
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