My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]Jillybop wrote:
ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Just out of curiousity, have you tried cycling your kcals? It works for me every time I need to finish up a ‘leaning out’ cycle.

Well, I’m eating about 1500 cal during the week and 1775 on the weekend carbups. I think I was averaging 2000-2500 before trying to diet down. Does that sound good?[/quote]

Not bad. What I do is get a weekly number, say 1500 x 7 (10500) then go like 1500, 1700, 1300, 1500, 1600, 1000, 1900, something like that. Keeps your body guessing. I actually use double that, but it is nice being a guy :slight_smile:

My 3rd week on (after going off the AD because I got f-ing HOOF AND MOUTH disease from my nephew! OH MAN!) and doing fantastically!

Well, kinda. I was actually interested
in gaining mass here. I was not counting calories, just macros. I carbed up like Jabba the Hutt each 36 hour carb-up and I still lost 8 lbs! My gym lifts have been going waaay up and I can see my 8-pack (though bluuuurrry) again! I’m going to reign in the junk this weekend and see if my lifts keep skyrocketting.

My strength is very important to me as I am looking to jump in on a Highland Games soon. The fat loss is actually more welcome than I thought it’d be because 1) I’m a strength coach (PT) and should look the part and 2) because it got up to 70+ degrees today and I wanted to remove my shirt (not yet!).

AD kicks ass period. So does this thread… keep on truckin’

By the way, my clients and I refer to an over-the-top carb-up and resulting coma as “being run over by a CARb!” Corny but it makes us laugh come Monday morning!

[quote]Beowulf67 wrote:
knuffel wrote:
However my real goal is to lose bodyfat and that has not happened yet AT ALL. I’m very active, lift 4 times a week and about 4 times cardio or HIIT. Nothing yet.

Hey, I’m guy, but I’ve noticed the same thing so far. I’ve been on AD for about 6 weeks and no fat loss yet.
Now I do have most of my fat stored in the belly region and I know that’s the hardest to lose so I’m sticking with it. Just not noticing the quick loss like some others report.[/quote]

Thanks, it helps to know I’m not the only one.
Anyone still has a thought on my previous coconut oil question?? I’m really curious.

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
To all those who want to loose fat on the AD and are a bit discouraged:

For 2 months my cals were below maintenance but i wasn’t noticing any significant changes on a WEEKLY basis (especially the first couple of weeks) but when i finally compared my stats to those at the beginning of that period, i was 4 lbs of fat lighter, 4 lb of pure muscle heavier and -6% BF.

Be patient and stick to it. The slower you lean out the less muscle you risk and the easier you maintain your new weight.[/quote]

EDIT: 4 kgr (9 lbs) fat and 4 kgr (9 lbs) muscle

For those who’ve had difficulty with fat loss, you may actually be undereating on the weekends. I know there’s still much research to be done on leptin and the hormonal effects of refeeding on a low-carb diet, but anecdotal evidence seems to point in the direction of really going “all out.”

I powered down easily over 12,000 calories in a 36 hour period last weekend, and by Tuesday I was slimmer than I was at my most depleted state the Friday before.

Initially I was scared sh*tless (just look a few posts back) because I was retaining so much water. Then, amazingly, it disappeared overnight (literally!). I was urinating non stop Sunday and Monday, without abnormal water intake.

I absolutely love this lifestyle, and that’s the first time I can honestly say that about any nutritional program. I’ve been using Don Alessi’s Meltdown Training as my primary training program - I think the fears of strength loss on the routine are unwarranted, especially on a diet like the AD. I’m sleeping better than I ever have before.

Also, Charles Poliquin has stated that about 20% of the population is fast-twitch dominant and will fare better on a higher carb diet, which may be another route some of you may consider. I found this article which covers his method of reintroducing carbs back into his fast-twitch clients (who are normally elite athletes and 8% body fat or less to begin with). Dr. D advocates a similar approach in the Metabolic Diet.


To begin the diet, eat only meat, fish, eggs, cheese and vegetables (50g of carbs per day or less). Follow this diet for 14 days then have a cheat day, eat whatever you want for the entire day. Return to the ultra low carb diet and have a cheat meal (one sitting) every 4th or 5th day.

  1. Once you are starting to lean out you can add berries to the diet. They
    are strong antioxidants and low glycemic.

  2. As you get leaner still you can introduce the Orange family of fruits.

  3. As you get leaner again you can add Plums, nectarines, peaches and
    apples.

  4. Then grapes and bananas

  5. Then the root vegetables such as yams, and sweet potatoes

  6. Then rice, the darker the better

  7. The last food to add is grains, and it should never be added for those
    that are carb intolerant. (If eating carbs made you fat)


As DH has stated many times, most people will do best on the strict AD. Given that Charles Poliquin is dealing with genetic abnormalities in his athletes, he has to accomodate their particular nutrient partitioning pathways. I’d only go this route if weight loss and regional andiposity has never been a problem for you.

Snaps to you to you zdrax, for such an awesome contribution to this already stacked thread.

Hey, no prob. There are so many quality individuals who contribute to this thread it’s mindboggling. I’ve got my third Meltdown workout this afternoon - should be interesting given that I’m in a “carbed-up” state.

[quote]zdrax wrote:

I powered down easily over 12,000 calories in a 36 hour period last weekend, and by Tuesday I was slimmer than I was at my most depleted state the Friday before.

Initially I was scared sh*tless (just look a few posts back) because I was retaining so much water. Then, amazingly, it disappeared overnight (literally!). I was urinating non stop Sunday and Monday, without abnormal water intake.
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I managed to put away 5200kcals in an 18hr period yesterday, 665 gms of carbs, which equals 2600gms including the water that gets stored with the carbs (3gms water per 1gm carbs) which equals 5.8lbs of material stored in me yesterday. Of that, 4.5 lbs is water, which will be gone by tommorrow. Things like that would mess with me till I came to understand the water part the of the carb equation. Confirmed by the scale. I ended the week at 213.5, and I fully expect to end next week at 210 or 211. Understanding all facets of weight loss and composition makes this so much easier. Props go to the numerous people who publish dietary information (real information) along with the various posters here, DH and Il Caz to name a few.

Hey all!

Well, it’s been a week since I started on the diet and I’ve lost 4lbs so far. The biggest differences, ones that I like even more, are the fact that my pants fit better and I feel great!

Kudos to all on here that are sticking with it and encouraging others to do the same.

Good job guys and gals!

-BD

I’m having a helluva time putting together a menu with < 30g Carbs per day AND getting in my veggies.

Is it okay to add low glycemic veggies like broccoli and spinach throughout the day without counting them in my 30g of carbs?

[quote]futuredave wrote:
I’m having a helluva time putting together a menu with < 30g Carbs per day AND getting in my veggies.

Is it okay to add low glycemic veggies like broccoli and spinach throughout the day without counting them in my 30g of carbs?

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As DH would say, “You need to count everything you put into your pie-hole!”

Of course, take into account that some of those carbs are fiber and therefore can be subtracted, but 30gms is 30gms. No way around it fella.

If you look throughout the thread I’m sure you can get some menu ideas.

Anyone else want to chime in?

Don’t count fiber in your carb count. Also, if you’re eating a high amount of fat, more than 30g is alright. In the AS, Dr. D has you consuming up to 50g of CHO in a 4,000kcal menu.

I’m on the diet 6 weeks now and used to think the same. But after tracking my food on fitday for a while it’s actually not that difficult to stay under 30 gr and eat veggies. I eat spinach with every meal, it’s very low carb and I think half of it is fiber which you can subtract. Sometimes I eat an avocado (love those) low in carbs and high in fiber too. Fitday.com really helps, don’t just keep track of your carbs but look how much of that is fiber. After a while you just know without tracking it!
Good luck!

Looks like post 2000 is coming up mighty fast. This has to be some kind of T-Record :slight_smile:

[quote]BookemD wrote:
futuredave wrote:
I’m having a helluva time putting together a menu with < 30g Carbs per day AND getting in my veggies.

Is it okay to add low glycemic veggies like broccoli and spinach throughout the day without counting them in my 30g of carbs?

As DH would say, “You need to count everything you put into your pie-hole!”

Of course, take into account that some of those carbs are fiber and therefore can be subtracted, but 30gms is 30gms. No way around it fella.

If you look throughout the thread I’m sure you can get some menu ideas.

Anyone else want to chime in? [/quote]

Don’t count broccoli,cauliflower,spinach and other very high fiber/low to no carb veggies.There’s a list in this thread somewhere.

[quote]oboffill wrote:
Bump…
Question: Has anybody had their blood tested before and after the diet?

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Actually, my mom (age 50…sorry mom) is now:

182 total cholesterol
76 triglycerides

was previously (@ 3 months before):

242 total cholesterol
383 triglycerides

Her doc didn’t give her the break down on LDL and HDL, so she may try to call and get those ratios just for curiosity sake. If we’re all lucky and she calls, then I’ll pass it along. Mom can be funny about doctors. :wink:

Best,
DH

Well if it ain’t my best buddy in the whole wide world. Better stick to it Bookem, I’ve got your phone number and I’m not afraid to tease, harass, and otherwise condemn failure. That’s what “friends” are all about!

DH

[quote]BookemD wrote:
Hey all!

Well, it’s been a week since I started on the diet and I’ve lost 4lbs so far. The biggest differences, ones that I like even more, are the fact that my pants fit better and I feel great!

Kudos to all on here that are sticking with it and encouraging others to do the same.

Good job guys and gals!

-BD[/quote]

Props Zdrax!

I too have found that I need to eat a good chunk of CHO on the load to feel good in my workouts. Just respect the time frame and adjust to your personal needs. Usually 36 is more than plenty if you are eating well. Just today I awoke to heavy triceps that I haven’t felt in a while from the loads. Thanks to massive amounts of both veggies and starches at a buffet 2x this weekend. Ah, this is the life.

best,
DH

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Well if it ain’t my best buddy in the whole wide world. Better stick to it Bookem, I’ve got your phone number and I’m not afraid to tease, harass, and otherwise condemn failure. That’s what “friends” are all about!

DH
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Don’t worry, I’m in it for the long haul…besides I wouldn’t want you to spend your energy “harrassing” me when I know the wife has chores for you to complete…

Rock on DH! ;o)

Top of the mornin to everyone. Eating my 3 whole egg and 6 egg white breakfast. Keep on rockin guys (and gals!)