Oil from seal.Since seal eat fish the oil from their blubber has a higher content of DHA and EPA,plus another Omega-3 not found in fish,DPA.
DAMN YOU…you got the 1300th post before I could. I’m getting the 1400th.
SO, here I am on the tail end of my 1st carbup. I’m a little confused 'tho. I loaded from noon~ on friday til 9:30pm~ on Saturday (aka now) consuming approx 4500 cals and 600 carbs~ during that period. However, I did not experience much at all. I did not suffer any significant lethargy/sleepiness, pumps were minimal. I did have a little gas 'tho.
This is what I ate (basically)
Oats
Bread
Vegies
Apples
Various Nuts
Cheeses
1 Small Mango Gelato
I’m wondering if maybe I’m not truly fat adapted? I’ve done the 12 days induction with the 30~ carbs - maybe I need to do it again, paying extreme attention to my carb intake? Hmm, I don’t know what to think. Maybe, I’m suffering paralysis from analysis. Any advice/suggestions from the pros would be very helpful.
Bricked,
Just seems like you didn’t eat all that much. Some of us, especially early on, get into our first few carb-ups and treat them like Roman feasts. Which, of course, make us tired.
For example, in the old days I would’ve turned your small mango galati into the entire Rita’s water ice menu, in quarts.
Stick with it…I’d be thankful that you didn’t get tired from your carb up.
Just my 3 cents.
Thanks for your comments IC. Hmm, maybe next carbup I’ll go a little dirtier/more food, and see how my body reacts. Anyway, thanks again 
Wow, read all 53 pages of this thread in 7 days.
I started on AD the same day I found this thread…very strange coincidence…and things are going great so far. The day 6 workout left me crawling for the gym door when it was over but that may have had to do more with the pace I was working at rather than the diet.
There’s an incredible amount of info packed in this thread and I wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to post their experiences and provide great direction.
I’ll keep you all posted on my progress.
I don’t know if anyone has had the same experience, but I noticed when fat loss is the goal I do much better by ending my carb-up with some high intensity activity. For example, my first month on the diet I was playing basketball every Sunday night for two hours and I lost over twenty pounds that month with no strength loss, and no calorie counting. I stopped for two months or so and found my fat loss stagnated (changing nothing in the diet, still no calorie counting but my menu was unchanged.) So tonite I started playing ball again and hope to continue doing so. Hopefully, that high intensity activity uses up all my stored carbs and gives me a sort of head start on the week. I don’t know the science if that’s even possible but it’s been my experience anyway.
[quote]AceQHounddog wrote:
I don’t know if anyone has had the same experience, but I noticed when fat loss is the goal I do much better by ending my carb-up with some high intensity activity. For example, my first month on the diet I was playing basketball every Sunday night for two hours and I lost over twenty pounds that month with no strength loss, and no calorie counting. I stopped for two months or so and found my fat loss stagnated (changing nothing in the diet, still no calorie counting but my menu was unchanged.) So tonite I started playing ball again and hope to continue doing so. Hopefully, that high intensity activity uses up all my stored carbs and gives me a sort of head start on the week. I don’t know the science if that’s even possible but it’s been my experience anyway.[/quote]
My initial reaction is that you probably lost 20 pounds because you were new on the diet, and had a lot more weight to lose then you did in the following 2 months. As you lose excess fat, your rate of loss tends to slow down.
Although, there could be some connection between the intense activity/glycogen levels that might support your feelings.
anyway, correlation does not mean causation.
Gentleman?. And ladies if applicable?
I have been a reader of T-Nation for sometime now. I recall making a few posts way back in the day?. Pre revamping the forum, however, I have not been intrigued to chime in on any topics since then. However this one happened to catch my eye.
I have been doing what I would call my own rendition of the AD for about 3 years now. I say my own rendition due to the fact that I have kind of tweaked it to my own liking over the years. I recall reading a post that Dave Tate made on EliteFTS.com answering a question someone had about making decent gains by controlling diet rather than using AS?.. He pointed them to the metabolic diet?. At the time I was doing massive eating, and although I grew to love it, once I started the AD, the food choices and energy I had kept me from going back to massive eating?.. AD is not for everyone, but it?s defiantly for me!! To give you an idea of what I do, and have done for about 2.5 of the three years I have been on this the joy ride they call the AD:
I always keep carbs at or below 30 grams, max, on off days. However I have a post workout drink with about 50 grams of carbs??. I have found that I recover better with this, plus it seems to give me that extra insulin spike I need at just the right time. I now just have a carb day when I feel like it. Sometimes it is every 5-6 days, sometimes I will do up to 14 days?. In lieu of carbing up for 36 hours like some do? I tend to gear myself toward a massive eating style of grubbing?? A few clean, fat and protein meals, and the rest HIGH carb/protein meals that should theoretically send me into a insulin induced comma?.. ! I train every other day. I would say that I train like a power lifter, but eat like a bodybuilder. As far as training goes, much of the Westside protocols w/o the chains?. Although my intentions are the throw them in the next few years, however I have been having great gains w/o them?. And I believe the main reason for that is the AD.
One thing that I have noticed is that my caloric intake has increase dramatically over the years, w/o gaining much, if any weight at all. I was 195 when I started, I am about 210-215 now?. No idea what my BF is, and never really cared?.
Make sure your guys eat tons of veggies or this thing will literally tear you a new asshole when you least expect it?? Work hard and stick with it, and it will defiantly treat you right. Some people do not believe the strength and mass gains I have made over the last few years?. And to be honest about it, I really don?t either? I have been waiting for this bubble to burst anytime now, and every time I feel as if it may, I tweak my calories, or throw in a massive carb day, or whatever?. Your body will tell you what to do in time.
Peace?
I guess question marks pop up all over the place if you cut and paste into the forum… who knew!
[quote]xtolgax wrote:
AceQHounddog wrote:
I don’t know if anyone has had the same experience, but I noticed when fat loss is the goal I do much better by ending my carb-up with some high intensity activity. For example, my first month on the diet I was playing basketball every Sunday night for two hours and I lost over twenty pounds that month with no strength loss, and no calorie counting. I stopped for two months or so and found my fat loss stagnated (changing nothing in the diet, still no calorie counting but my menu was unchanged.) So tonite I started playing ball again and hope to continue doing so. Hopefully, that high intensity activity uses up all my stored carbs and gives me a sort of head start on the week. I don’t know the science if that’s even possible but it’s been my experience anyway.
My initial reaction is that you probably lost 20 pounds because you were new on the diet, and had a lot more weight to lose then you did in the following 2 months. As you lose excess fat, your rate of loss tends to slow down.
Although, there could be some connection between the intense activity/glycogen levels that might support your feelings.
anyway, correlation does not mean causation.
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Yeah, you’re probably right. I guess the only way to tell is by doing it for a month or so and rechecking my progress. That basketball sure does kick my ass. I’m sore as hell today. 260 pounders were not meant to be ballers but oh well. I can still dunk!
I have two questions about carbups.
On other CKD-esque diets, they all recommend that protein/carb intake is high, with almost no fat, as to avoid large amounts of insulin + fat in bloodstream. So why does the AD recommend high carb/high fat? Also, other CKD diets
say to limit fructose, as it does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen, only liver.
So whats the difference with the AD?
I’ll give it a shot.
Once your body has done the emtabolic shift from carbs to free fatty acids and the production of insulin and GH is revved up,something exciting happens.
Although antagonistic in nature,you can on carb-up days enjoy the benefits of both insulin and GH at once with a high carb/moderate fat intake.According to the good Doctor,the body increases GH as the ingestion of large quantities of carbs is stressful for the body.
I’m curious about fructose as well.I drink 3+ litres of juice on carb-ups now to get my carbs in.Less bloating and tastes damn good.
“So why does the AD recommend high carb/high fat?”
When does the book ever reccomend high carb and high fat? If you mean on the weekend, its high carbs, low fat.
What you are talking about is in the same meal.
IC, the Doc recommends 60C/30F/10P on the carb-ups. At 3000 cals, thats 100g fat.
However, Lyle McD (I know there is a bit of hate over his work, but i’ll use this as an example) recommends like 15% fat.
I’m just curious. Maybe I’m missing something and am really just gonna look really retarded.
I know it’s just anecdotal evidence, but I know that I tried to keep my carbs/fat separated (like in massive eating) for the first month or so on this diet. Once I started combining carbs+fat in almost every meal during the carb-up, the diet began to work much better.
-CA
A little personal experience for you guys regarding fiber intake and the throne. I’ve noticed that some people who are on this diet have not been including nearly enough fiber. I know what you’re thinking now because I thought the same thing before; “grrr spoiling my cheeseburger induced fun. I hate eating veggies.”
What happened is that I almost got an appendicitus at the same time I had severely strained one of my anchoring abdominal muscles(can’t remember what it was called… py- something I think). The result was 2 different trips to the ER in 3 nights. I was under severe pain that the doc described as “…similar to child labor.” it required painkillers, dremorol, and a couple of others that I can’t recall, stool softeners, glycerin, 10 billion fiber shakes and 4 restless miserable nights. Looking back on it all I am truely sorry I didn’t eat my veggies.
Just for my information I was wondering something. Does everyone on this thread that is doing this diet keep track of their macros on the carb up weekends or is it just a free-for-all? I haven’t been watching my macros hardly at all and I’m wondering if that’s paritally responsible for my lack of results.
[quote]HogLover wrote:
Just for my information I was wondering something. Does everyone on this thread that is doing this diet keep track of their macros on the carb up weekends or is it just a free-for-all? I haven’t been watching my macros hardly at all and I’m wondering if that’s paritally responsible for my lack of results.
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I was in a similar position when I started. I had used the diet for about a month. During the two week intro phase, I lost about 8 pounds (mostly if not all water). Then I dropped maybe a pound or two over the next month. After making some changes, I’ve been losing about 2 pounds a week for the last month.
Here are my thoughts:
- Unlike those who do the diet to gain mass while limiting fat gains, those of us trying to lose bf need to be more aware of what we’re eating. I’ve noticed you’ve said you have a ‘free-for-all’ on the weekends. If you’re trying to lose fat, this isn’t gonna cut it. Regardless of how strict you are during the week, if you gorge on the weekends (which I was guilty of), your weekly calorie intake is going to put you above where you need to be.
Plus, I think a 36-hour unrestricted carb-up is probably too long for those of us carrying too much bf. Either cut out the junk (less fun) or keep the carb-up to one day a week. I’ve even seen it suggested to take only one carb-up every 10-14 days while trying to drop fat (or even staying on the intro phase until you reach your goals). The point is, if you’ve been on it this long without seeing results, you’re probably eating too many weekly calories. You can’t eat like you’re cutting during the week, eat like you’re bulking on the weekend, and expect to get the results you want.
On the positive side, even during the time I was eating like crazy on the weekends, I didn’t GAIN fat. I actually dropped a bit of scale weight and noticed some improvement in muscle size…just a testiment to the effectiveness of the diet, even when used improperly for your goals. You’ll get results, just much more slowly than if you focused on either bulking or cutting.
- I’ve also added 2-3 days of some type of energy systems work/GPP/whatever you want to call it. I’m not a fan of long duration cardio, but I’ve found I need more than weight training and diet to see the results I want. Granted, this isn’t true for everyone, but for those of us who spend half their day sitting at a desk and get little exercise outside of training, I think it’s a necessity.
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.
Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.