Oh, IC, what cals, macros are you taking in? How many monos, polys and sat fats?
Just wondering.
I purchased Dr. Pasquale’s metabolic diet ebook back in the summer and have been enjoying great results ever since. However, for the last few weeks I’ve completely abandoned the weekly carb-ups. The Dr.'s references lead me to reading a ton about high-fat, low-carb diets and I’m totally convinced this type of diet is superior. However, I find I have lost my taste for carbs and think I’m better off just sticking to the diet without the excessive carb loading. I just eat a little more fruit daily and take half a serving of Surge PWO. My bodyfat is at an all time low! Has anyone else run a similar path after experimenting with the AD?
Bro, the reasons for CHO loading are myriad. You need to read the thread at the beginning or better yet buy the Anabolic Solution from Doc’s site. The load is 1/2 of the equation. Without it, you’ll eventually lose steam for training, lose muscle mass, and your thyroid will lag. I NEVER advocate an Atkin’s for an athlete/trainee. Only for the obese and once the weight has been lost, then CHO cycling. You must understand why you are doing the AD, man. Always know why you are doing what you are doing no matter what. I’m anti-Sheeple.
One word for both the low carb AND load period. FIBER. It’ll help with the squirts and such. As far as gas, try some lactase and/or digestive enzymes. It’s often a mix of foods. For me, if I eat peanuts on the load, you better clear the room. ;-0. Also the longer you are on it, the better you’ll adapt.
Waterbury is da’ Man. My favorite.
DH
[quote]deeper wrote:
Hey DH,
Why carb at all? It only makes me lethargic, I get massive gas, and other stuff I won’t mention.
I’m making steady weight gain, combining one of Chad Waterbury’s options with this diet plan…
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I tend to disagree unless you are training for a big upcoming event or trying to put on mass. Loren Cordain’s new book due out in November should prove an interesting read, titled “The Paleo Diet for Athletes”.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Bro, the reasons for CHO loading are myriad. You need to read the thread at the beginning or better yet buy the Anabolic Solution from Doc’s site. The load is 1/2 of the equation. Without it, you’ll eventually lose steam for training, lose muscle mass, and your thyroid will lag. I NEVER advocate an Atkin’s for an athlete/trainee. Only for the obese and once the weight has been lost, then CHO cycling. You must understand why you are doing the AD, man. Always know why you are doing what you are doing no matter what. I’m anti-Sheeple.
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Hey everybody,
I’m reporting in at 3 and 1/2 months after taking the initial diet plunge. So far I’ve gone from about 160 to around 165-167. Not much in the way of gains, but I haven’t really been trying to gain any weight, so that’s cool. Strength is up, not dramatically by any means, but up nonetheless. I got my biggest lift back to “pre-lacrosse” numbers, I started playing about 1m ago and while I was able to stick to the diet it really sent my training to shit. So after a good deal of experience on this diet for both weight training and energy systems work, here are some things I have found to be true for me:
1.I found this out a few weeks ago, but TAKE A GOOD CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT IF YOU PLAN ON DOING ANY KIND OF SERIOUS RUNNING! I was really lagging at practice, and it cleared right up when I started popping those cal-tabs.
2.The harder I stick to the diet during the week, the more crap I can get away with during the weekend.
3.Stimulants now are to be respected, feared, and possibly worshipped as powerful gods.
4.It is really hard to get enough vegetables. I used to have the time to get to the store whenever I needed stuff, but now I don’t and my veggie intake blows.
So with all that said, here is what my intake had been the last few weeks:
M1-chorizo, 4 eggs, Protein Powder, Coffee
M2-Protein Powder, Olive Oil
M3-Protein Powder, Hazelnuts, Fish Oil Tablets
M4-Few Slices of Ham, Cheese
M5-Eggs and Cheese
M6-Protein Powder, Olive Oil
As you can see, deficient in many things, not the least of which being meat and veggies. I have a feeling that my failure to eat any substancial amounts of meat in the last few days has led to my general feeling of heaviness, as well as an increased craving for carbs. I need to get on that, I know.
Well, hope somebody got something out of that. Thanks guys for keeping this thread alive!
-CA
Useful tip: buy fresh veggies when you get a chance, but also buy some frozen or canned stuff as backup just in case you cant make it out to the store for a while…
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Hey everybody,
I’m reporting in at 3 and 1/2 months after taking the initial diet plunge. So far I’ve gone from about 160 to around 165-167. Not much in the way of gains, but I haven’t really been trying to gain any weight, so that’s cool. Strength is up, not dramatically by any means, but up nonetheless. I got my biggest lift back to “pre-lacrosse” numbers, I started playing about 1m ago and while I was able to stick to the diet it really sent my training to shit. So after a good deal of experience on this diet for both weight training and energy systems work, here are some things I have found to be true for me:
1.I found this out a few weeks ago, but TAKE A GOOD CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT IF YOU PLAN ON DOING ANY KIND OF SERIOUS RUNNING! I was really lagging at practice, and it cleared right up when I started popping those cal-tabs.
2.The harder I stick to the diet during the week, the more crap I can get away with during the weekend.
3.Stimulants now are to be respected, feared, and possibly worshipped as powerful gods.
4.It is really hard to get enough vegetables. I used to have the time to get to the store whenever I needed stuff, but now I don’t and my veggie intake blows.
So with all that said, here is what my intake had been the last few weeks:
M1-chorizo, 4 eggs, Protein Powder, Coffee
M2-Protein Powder, Olive Oil
M3-Protein Powder, Hazelnuts, Fish Oil Tablets
M4-Few Slices of Ham, Cheese
M5-Eggs and Cheese
M6-Protein Powder, Olive Oil
As you can see, deficient in many things, not the least of which being meat and veggies. I have a feeling that my failure to eat any substancial amounts of meat in the last few days has led to my general feeling of heaviness, as well as an increased craving for carbs. I need to get on that, I know.
Well, hope somebody got something out of that. Thanks guys for keeping this thread alive!
-CA[/quote]
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
words and stuff
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Charles, what cal range are you taking in? Macros? Breakdown of fats? How are you getting your fiber in?
Another Q for the Pro’s: While bulking, and taking in plenty of cals, is the carb limit still 30g, or is it 5% of daily cals?
Eg 4000 cals at 60F/35P/5C = 50 carbies.
Oh, and bump on the ‘Let’s not let this thread die’ notion. The AD diet (from what I can gather from my 11.5 days worth of experience) is godly. All hail thick cream!
[quote]Bricked wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
words and stuff
Charles, what cal range are you taking in? Macros? Breakdown of fats? How are you getting your fiber in?
Another Q for the Pro’s: While bulking, and taking in plenty of cals, is the carb limit still 30g, or is it 5% of daily cals?
Eg 4000 cals at 60F/35P/5C = 50 carbies.[/quote]
Umm, let me see. On weekdays I take in six equal meals of 56g Pro/38g Fat/minimal carbs so I guess daily that would be 336g Pro/30g CHO/228g Fat. To break it down into macros, I’m takin in 3516 cals/day with 38% from PRO/2.5% CHO/ 58% Fat. On weekends latey I’ve been pretty much stuffing whatever I can into that 36hr window, but this is because of the very large energy demands of my daily life (e.g. I walk, practice 3x/week, and lift 3x/week).
My breakdown of fats is that I try not to have more than 2 meals where the bulk of my fats come from saturates, and I take 20 fish oil tablet daily. When I do this, the fat breakdowns seem to take care of themselves.
I really don’t get much fiber at all, this is one of my weak points. Thanks for insinuating that I am one of the “pros”, but I don’t think I can count myself among thier ranks until I’ve been living like this for at least 1 year. Thanks though.
-CA
If anyone is kind enough to send me a D Pas’s e-book, please pm me 
I do plan on buying a hard/ soft cover soon though.
I have a book called “Paleothin” and it’s like D’ plan without the big carb load.
I’m not very strict though so I probably get more carbs then the recommended level anyways once in a while.
I’ve been following Waterbury’s 3 X week program and so far I’ve gained about 7 + pounds of muscle in the past month and I’m starting to lift more in the squat, deadlift, rows, plus I can do more pullups and dips, so so far this diet plan + Chad’s are working well
“Oh, IC, what cals, macros are you taking in? How many monos, polys and sat fats?
Just wondering.”
Actually, I have no idea. Changes most days although I do stay under 30carbs and get between 220 and 270g protein on lifting days. I’ve been doing this for years so I just stopped counting…after a while, it just becomes instinct.
kurmatt:
I don’t know why more folks aren’t using ALA. It’s legit.
ALA does have an effect on insulin. You’re going to have to experiement on the dosage. I’d recommend at least 750 divided over the day, consumed with higher CHO content meals. On CHO-load days, double the daily dose. I take 200-250 or so with every meal during the normal week, and double that on load days. But you need to be aware that it can have an effect on your blood sugars level something serious. As it is, on the AD your blood sugar levels are probably going to be less than on the conventional American diet. Depending on how you handle your CHO load, supps you take, type of training, genetics – all will effect your levels. ALA will drop you… This can lead to heart palpitations, headaches, fatigue, moodiness, etc. So be aware.I think there are FAR more positives than negatives. No need to be scared, just listen to your body, and experiment.
Re: sat. fats.
I’ve noticed over the last month or so that since I’ve been eating mostly red meat and eggs (as my protein/fat foods, not including the vegs.) that I seem to feel better…more energy, more strength, more alert, need less sleep. Not saying to stay away from turkey and chicken, but Dr. D is right, you can’t be on this diet and go completely lean meats.
Good ol’Neil G started a thread about sat. fats a while ago and got chased off the board, but they are not as bad as most make them. Berardi reccomends 33% of your fats come from saturated…I think thats a good goal to shoot for.
Well tomorrow is my first carbup. Because I’m an anal mofo when it comes to dieting, I have already calculated what I’m gonna eat. 
M1: Eggs, Flaxmeal, Fishoil
M2: Tuna, Spinach, Olive Oil
Workout
Begin Carbup
M3: Oats, Whey
M4: Oats, Cream
M5: 2 Grilled Cheese, Vegies
M6: Apple, Oats
The whole day (M1-M6) comes out to 33C/24P/43F. However, the ‘carb section’ (M3-M6) is 50C/22P/28F.
Then the next day I’m going to continue from M1 - M6 as Carbs, trying to nail 60C/30F/10P. In essence, I shall be carbing for 36 hours. Sound good?
Advice/Critiqes/Suggestions are extremely welcome.
Chow
… down on that steak for me.
[quote]vasudeva wrote:
kurmatt:
I don’t know why more folks aren’t using ALA. It’s legit.
ALA does have an effect on insulin. You’re going to have to experiement on the dosage. I’d recommend at least 750 divided over the day, consumed with higher CHO content meals. On CHO-load days, double the daily dose. I take 200-250 or so with every meal during the normal week, and double that on load days. But you need to be aware that it can have an effect on your blood sugars level something serious. As it is, on the AD your blood sugar levels are probably going to be less than on the conventional American diet. Depending on how you handle your CHO load, supps you take, type of training, genetics – all will effect your levels. ALA will drop you… This can lead to heart palpitations, headaches, fatigue, moodiness, etc. So be aware.I think there are FAR more positives than negatives. No need to be scared, just listen to your body, and experiment. [/quote]
Thanks a million. I’ll keep you updated.
Feeling great.
The steadiest,strongest vitality I’ve had.That must mean I’m doing something rightbut still I’d like some of the more advanced AD’ers to give their opinions on what I’m chugging down 
Yesterday:
190 g pork chops
6 eggs
140 g nuts/seeds
10 g seal oil
10 g fish oil
150 g tuna
30 g whey
1 carrot
1 tomato
1+ kg of cauliflower,broccoli and other free veggies
110 g mixed raps( a nordic type of oil roughly the same fatty acid profile as olive oil) and olive oil
200 g salmon
This adds up to about
290 grams of fat and
190 grams of protein.
I eat pretty varied from day to day,but staples are chops,eggs,tuna and oil.Nuts are also in daily,as is cauliflower and broccoli.I love veggies too much.
The plan is to add calories weekly until I get to 4000 and do a nice,clean bulk.Bettah watch out for the 15’ guns I’m gonna be packin’.
DH I’m curious as to whether you ever tried the old raw egg and cream mixture as recommended by Vince Gironda way back.
Any opinions on the avidin causing biotin deficiency issue?
Cheers.
Keith
Hey guys, quick question. I think I’m feeling that “crash” right now that ya’ll talked about. Nothing too dramatic…just feel kinda tired and have the occasional headache. Now, tomorrow’s supposed to be carb-up day. Am I supposed to wait until the crash goes away to carb up… Or just go ahead and start? Thanks.
Man oh man. I just found a recipe fit for a king.
Egg salad, portable, economical super food
I started with this as a guide:
http://www.recipegal.com/eggsalad/RealManEggSalad.htm
and here’s what I ended up with:
12 eggs
two tablespoons of mayo
about a third of a cup horseradish
6 radishes
half a white onion (I hate onions though)
several cloves of garlic, i think about 5
a jalepeno and other misc. pepper
quarter cup of dill relish
Hard boiled the eggs and mixed it all up in a bowl with a spoon. After this stuff ripens in the fridge a little bit, should knock a goat off it’s ass. Not too oniony either.
Why did I not discover this sooner? Now I can take egg salad and a piece of whole wheat toast to school. Or wrap the stuff up in spinach or lettuce leaves.
Imagine the possibilities…
[quote]Wolverin wrote:
Feeling great.
The steadiest,strongest vitality I’ve had.That must mean I’m doing something rightbut still I’d like some of the more advanced AD’ers to give their opinions on what I’m chugging down
Yesterday:
190 g pork chops
6 eggs
140 g nuts/seeds
10 g seal oil
10 g fish oil
150 g tuna
30 g whey
1 carrot
1 tomato
1+ kg of cauliflower,broccoli and other free veggies
110 g mixed raps( a nordic type of oil roughly the same fatty acid profile as olive oil) and olive oil
200 g salmon
This adds up to about
290 grams of fat and
190 grams of protein.
I eat pretty varied from day to day,but staples are chops,eggs,tuna and oil.Nuts are also in daily,as is cauliflower and broccoli.I love veggies too much.
The plan is to add calories weekly until I get to 4000 and do a nice,clean bulk.Bettah watch out for the 15’ guns I’m gonna be packin’.
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Seal oil?