My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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i’ve been thinking for a while about starting the anabolic diet. Are most of the people responding to this thread on the anabolic diet that was written on this site or a different one, as earlier in the thread i had saw a discusiion about buying the diet and if it was the PLifting one or the BBuilding one? i would probably be using the diet as more of a cutting diet than a bulking diet. When i read over the anabolic diet article here the calories it suggested starting out with were actually higher for my bodyweight than the calories i was currently using as a maintenance diet. is that common? if there is a book being discussed could someone let me know what it is. thanks.

CS

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i always have a problem with side dishes.i like my meat with side dishes.plain veggies gets boring.
i found this on the back of a mayonaise jar.
take cauliflower and boil it till tender,drain.
in a blender or food processor mix cauliflower with mayo and garlic.
use the chop mode.
it came out creamy and looked like mashed taters.
wasn’t bad.
cream cheese might work even betterthan mayo.
had it with my salmon,cooked in olive oil and lemon juice.

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CS

The diet comes from books by Dr D. I do not own either but if you wish to purchase them do a google search for Anabolic Diet or Anabolic Solution. If you read through the articles about it and read through this thread you will have more than enough information to tackle this diet. And yes the calories recommendations are probably higher than what you were eating previously because of the fat intake.

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[quote]speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.[/quote]

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA

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[quote]scottiscool wrote:
CS

The diet comes from books by Dr D. I do not own either but if you wish to purchase them do a google search for Anabolic Diet or Anabolic Solution. If you read through the articles about it and read through this thread you will have more than enough information to tackle this diet. And yes the calories recommendations are probably higher than what you were eating previously because of the fat intake.[/quote]

thanks for the reply. so if i am using this as maintaining/cutting diet and assuming i kept my calorie expenditure the same, should i reduce the amount of calories to my base level now or just use it as the diet suggests?? has anyone had any problems with this??

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[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA[/quote]

I was unaware that the midweek spike is only done in connection with a lower carb weekend. From what I had read I took it to be something to try in addition to a regular weekend carb up.

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CS
You will follow the 18x bodyweight for the adaptation phase and then after that adjust accordingly. Despite the higher than normal calories you might find you lose some weight in the form of mostly water but also some fat. I would suggest to cut the calories out slowly, just a few hundred a week.

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[quote]speedy5323 wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA

I was unaware that the midweek spike is only done in connection with a lower carb weekend. From what I had read I took it to be something to try in addition to a regular weekend carb up.
[/quote]

Huh.
Maybe I’ve been thinking about it wrong. I don’t know.
Anybody else out there have any response to this?
-CA

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[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA

I was unaware that the midweek spike is only done in connection with a lower carb weekend. From what I had read I took it to be something to try in addition to a regular weekend carb up.

Huh.
Maybe I’ve been thinking about it wrong. I don’t know.
Anybody else out there have any response to this?
-CA[/quote]

If I do a mid week carb-up, I have always reduced the weekend to a single carb day only. If I carb up for 3 days a week, my body wants to run on carbs and not fat, but it simply doesn’t have enough carbs in the system to run properly. This gives me Richard Simmons like workouts.

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Just starting my 2nd carb-up. That first bowl of oats is like heaven, but by the end of 36hrs, I just want my eggies.

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[quote]Massif wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA

I was unaware that the midweek spike is only done in connection with a lower carb weekend. From what I had read I took it to be something to try in addition to a regular weekend carb up.

Huh.
Maybe I’ve been thinking about it wrong. I don’t know.
Anybody else out there have any response to this?
-CA

If I do a mid week carb-up, I have always reduced the weekend to a single carb day only. If I carb up for 3 days a week, my body wants to run on carbs and not fat, but it simply doesn’t have enough carbs in the system to run properly. This gives me Richard Simmons like workouts.[/quote]

Good deal, I think I’ll just stick with the weekends from now on. I’ve got a question though, how can you tell whether you’re running on carbs or prot/fat? I’ve heard several people reference this, and I’m still unclear as this “specefic feeling.”

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Tell you what. Do it both ways and tell me what you think. The AD’s load is essential. Not just for mass, but for leaning as well. Everybody has a book. The AD, in it’s original form has been around for 60 years. It’s worked for BB’s for decades. They’ve experimented with no loading and it never worked well. Try it out. You’ll see. ;-).

DH

[quote]luddini wrote:
I tend to disagree unless you are training for a big upcoming event or trying to put on mass. Loren Cordain’s new book due out in November should prove an interesting read, titled “The Paleo Diet for Athletes”.

Disc Hoss wrote:
Bro, the reasons for CHO loading are myriad. You need to read the thread at the beginning or better yet buy the Anabolic Solution from Doc’s site. The load is 1/2 of the equation. Without it, you’ll eventually lose steam for training, lose muscle mass, and your thyroid will lag. I NEVER advocate an Atkin’s for an athlete/trainee. Only for the obese and once the weight has been lost, then CHO cycling. You must understand why you are doing the AD, man. Always know why you are doing what you are doing no matter what. I’m anti-Sheeple.
[/quote]

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Exactly Massif. You’ll shift yourself back to CHO burning while at the same time be denying the necessary CHO to fuel yourself. It’s a metabolic purgatory. Bad news. If doing a mid week, then do only a single day load. And you need to keep the loads cleaner because sucrose and fructose will increase the liver stores and then your liver will continue to release it’s supply and give the body the impression to continue burning CHO. You’ll then burn less fat. Glucose preferentially fills muscle, fructose fills the liver most easily, and sucrose is a dissacharide that feeds both. Starches are the best loading sources and some glucose or malto for your POST workout consumption ONLY on the loading day.

DH

[quote]Massif wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
speedy5323 wrote:
I want to get some thoughts on the mid week carb spike. I’ve been on the diet since late August and attempted my first mid week spike last week. It was actually on Tues. night, so not technically mid-week, but close.

Anyway, I consumed mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beens and a slice of pie. I noticed a great pump within hours after this and as well as the next day. Today I did another one, this time however, it consisted of only a large sandwich on white break from Quiznos. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice/recommendations on the mid week spike. I read over the book this morning and the only thing I can find is the recommendation of a large pancake breakfast and anywhere from 400-1000 calories in the meal. Today, with the sandwich, I figure I got around 110+ as I also through in a few chips. Not sure about the calories of the sandwich but I’m guessing I’m tetering real close to the 850-1000 range. That being said, in weeks to come should I try to make sure that a larger % of the calories of this meal come from carbs. As in just eating a stack of pancakes or a loaf of bread or something. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I’m kind of unclear as to what you are doing. Are you spiking CHO midweek in addition to a full carb-up on the weekend? Or are you restricting CHO a little on the weekend and using that midweek spike to make up for it? I know it’s been mentioned on this thread before that one should only spike midweek if they want to restrict thier weekend carb-ups, but I’d be interested in your experiences.
-CA

I was unaware that the midweek spike is only done in connection with a lower carb weekend. From what I had read I took it to be something to try in addition to a regular weekend carb up.

Huh.
Maybe I’ve been thinking about it wrong. I don’t know.
Anybody else out there have any response to this?
-CA

If I do a mid week carb-up, I have always reduced the weekend to a single carb day only. If I carb up for 3 days a week, my body wants to run on carbs and not fat, but it simply doesn’t have enough carbs in the system to run properly. This gives me Richard Simmons like workouts.[/quote]

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Sounds good. Thanks DH!

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How much fructose is allowed on the 36 hr carbup? An apple, four? I’ve also often heard of people avoiding dairy foods on carbups, as galactose is an iffy carb.

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Started on this diet yesterday and also found the e-book. Primo stuff. I found a cheap fiber supplement for 70cents a week. You get 30g of fiber with only 16g of carbs from 1/2c servings…

Old Fashion red Kidney beans!
(the ones u soak)

Props to the masters of the AD!

1337

WOW! I consumed 4635kCAL
400g Fat
140g Mono
120g Saturated
15g Salmon
?? the rest

260g Protein
33g Fiber

I ate 20 eggs today. Sheesh… ill adjust tomorrow. I do feel kinda different as the switch comes thru but i did have a lot of energy!

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I don’t know if this was already answered, but do you count fiber as your carbs? I noticed that lots of veggies have some carbs, but most of them are fiber.

Any help would be appreciated.

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The fiber in vegetables does not count towards your daily limit and its highly recommended by the veterans of this diet to consume a good portion of things like spinach to keep things regular.

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Nah, we don’t count fiber.