One thing that I’ve been noticing lately- how f’n hard is to find Olive Oil from Italy? Almost every single one has oils mixed in from other countries, and who knows how long they’ve been sitting around before they get shipped to Italy, packed in Italy, and then shipped over here.
At the supermarket today, they easily had 20 varieties, only 3 were 100% Italian, and only the 16 oz bottle was under $10.
And none of them were DOC or DOCG, the highest indication of authenticity and quality.
No offense to Spain, Turkey, Greece etc but I’m Italian-American, I own a house in Italy, and I’m an Italian teacher.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
One thing that I’ve been noticing lately- how f’n hard is to find Olive Oil from Italy? Almost every single one has oils mixed in from other countries, and who knows how long they’ve been sitting around before they get shipped to Italy, packed in Italy, and then shipped over here.
At the supermarket today, they easily had 20 varieties, only 3 were 100% Italian, and only the 16 oz bottle was under $10.
And none of them were DOC or DOCG, the highest indication of authenticity and quality.
No offense to Spain, Turkey, Greece etc but I’m Italian-American, I own a house in Italy, and I’m an Italian teacher.
So, I prefer to buy Italian.
Ah, I think only Il Cazzo understands me…[/quote]
as another Italian boy, I get my Olly from a nice little family owned and operated Italian Deli a few miles from my house, all they have there is 100% Italian Olly. It’s good stuff, and you can even get it in giant cans if need be.
Also, they have hardened dry Pepperoni Sticks, which may be one of the greatest things known to man, that and spicy Cappicola and Prosciuto (imagine dropping 27 bones per pound for the good Prosciut… OUCH! but so good!).
I’ve still yet to find the good olive oil in cans here in nowhere’svill Iowa. I did see one at an italian restuarant the other day, on display as a knick knack…
[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
Sonny S wrote:
One thing that I’ve been noticing lately- how f’n hard is to find Olive Oil from Italy? Almost every single one has oils mixed in from other countries, and who knows how long they’ve been sitting around before they get shipped to Italy, packed in Italy, and then shipped over here.
At the supermarket today, they easily had 20 varieties, only 3 were 100% Italian, and only the 16 oz bottle was under $10.
And none of them were DOC or DOCG, the highest indication of authenticity and quality.
No offense to Spain, Turkey, Greece etc but I’m Italian-American, I own a house in Italy, and I’m an Italian teacher.
So, I prefer to buy Italian.
Ah, I think only Il Cazzo understands me…
as another Italian boy, I get my Olly from a nice little family owned and operated Italian Deli a few miles from my house, all they have there is 100% Italian Olly. It’s good stuff, and you can even get it in giant cans if need be.
Also, they have hardened dry Pepperoni Sticks, which may be one of the greatest things known to man, that and spicy Cappicola and Prosciuto (imagine dropping 27 bones per pound for the good Prosciut… OUCH! but so good!).[/quote]
Log a typical eating day on www.fitday.com. Let us know your numbers in terms of calories and macronutrient breakdown.
If you’re not losing weight, you’re probably just eating too much during the weekdays, even if you’re eating low carb. This was the problem my dad previously faced on Atkins.
If this is not the problem, then try doing a 12-hour carb up instead. Perhaps you are just going nuts on the weekends. Don’t worry, you’ll figure this out.[/quote]
Is that what a typical day looks like for you? If so, I am not sure why you are not losing weight quickly enough. Perhaps you should try a 12-hour carb-up next to see how that affects you?
Let’s wait for more replies from the “professionals” in this thread. I’m sure somebody will have some more good advice.
On the positive side, I read in your other thread that you lost 5 pounds so far. In a month, thats not bad at all, assuming you put on a bit of muscle as well. Don’t look at the scale after a carbup until Friday. Weight yourself once a week Friday morning to see an accurate trend.
HogLover, the proportions of fat/protein/carbs look OK in what I saw (only looked at the latest day). I was surprised by how much fat relative to protein you said was in the ground turkey. Are you sure those figures are correct?
Overall, I would say the total calorie intake is a bit on the low side for someone your BW. Dr DP says 15-18 times BW for maintenance.
Also, Dr DP suggests that the initial period on the AD should be at maintenance cals, until your body gets used to burning fat. Your first step should be getting the carb intake fine tuned for your body, depending on whether you feel tired etc. Once you have the carb levels sorted and you are burning mainly fat, then you can adjust total cals to reach your body comp goals.
Bottom line is, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Don’t be tempted to take shortcuts.
would the a.d. be ok for someone that does mostly olympic type lifts. I know carbs provide energy for intense activity. would not having them affect my lifts negatively. thanks, great thread by the way!
[quote]jstall wrote:
would the a.d. be ok for someone that does mostly olympic type lifts. I know carbs provide energy for intense activity. would not having them affect my lifts negatively. thanks, great thread by the way! [/quote]
Read the whole thread and the book. You don’t need carbs to fuel “intense” activity. In fact, your most intense activities are fueled by ATP and CP (creatine phosphate). You don’t become glycolitic for some time after that.
And besides, the whole point of the metabolic shift is that you begin tapping into fat more efficiently, fueling your intense activity.
[quote]sharetrader wrote:
HogLover, the proportions of fat/protein/carbs look OK in what I saw (only looked at the latest day). I was surprised by how much fat relative to protein you said was in the ground turkey. Are you sure those figures are correct?
Overall, I would say the total calorie intake is a bit on the low side for someone your BW. Dr DP says 15-18 times BW for maintenance.
Also, Dr DP suggests that the initial period on the AD should be at maintenance cals, until your body gets used to burning fat. Your first step should be getting the carb intake fine tuned for your body, depending on whether you feel tired etc. Once you have the carb levels sorted and you are burning mainly fat, then you can adjust total cals to reach your body comp goals.
Bottom line is, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Don’t be tempted to take shortcuts.[/quote]
Yeah, I believe the numbers on the ground turkey I got right off the package.
I’m not purposefully keeping calories low, I guess that’s just what I eat. Yes, that’s a typical day for me. So i should be throwing in more calories? Ok, I’ll look at those numbers. I do have Dr. DPs book and I’m still working on reading it.
Log a typical eating day on www.fitday.com. Let us know your numbers in terms of calories and macronutrient breakdown.
If you’re not losing weight, you’re probably just eating too much during the weekdays, even if you’re eating low carb. This was the problem my dad previously faced on Atkims. Ifthis is not the problem, then try doing a 12-hour carb up instead. Perhaps you are just going nuts on the weekends. Don’t worry, you’ll figure this out.
Please tell me what you think. Too many calories maybe or is that even important on AD?[/quote]
Contrary to what some people might say…Calories DO matter…even on the high fat diet! Even Ketosis does not negate the impact of TOTAL calories! In an old DIRTY DIETING newsletter, Lyle McDonald gave a number of the maximum amount of ketones that are producable and excreteable in a day. Yes, I know KETOSIS per say isn’t the goal on this diet, but it does provide some “backup” for the overcomsuption of fat calories in that a ketone has to be either excreted or burned up…it can’t be restored as fat. However, there is a finite number of fat calories that can be converted to ketones. And there is a finite number of fat calories that can be burned up in an optimal “low insulin” metabolic state. Yes, ketosis or a fat burning low insulin level are optimal for fat burning, but a calorie level that is low enough to access stored bodyfat is still applicable.
All this has been back up anecdotaly with myself and is pretty solid physiologic fact.
Using the numbers of Dr.D may be a good idea, but remember, metabolism can vary alot between peoples of similar bodyweight, sex and muscle mass!!
[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Contrary to what some people might say…Calories DO matter…even on the high fat diet! Even Ketosis does not negate the impact of TOTAL calories! In an old DIRTY DIETING newsletter, Lyle McDonald gave a number of the maximum amount of ketones that are producable and excreteable in a day. Yes, I know KETOSIS per say isn’t the goal on this diet, but it does provide some “backup” for the overcomsuption of fat calories in that a ketone has to be either excreted or burned up…it can’t be restored as fat. However, there is a finite number of fat calories that can be converted to ketones. And there is a finite number of fat calories that can be burned up in an optimal “low insulin” metabolic state. Yes, ketosis or a fat burning low insulin level are optimal for fat burning, but a calorie level that is low enough to access stored bodyfat is still applicable.
All this has been back up anecdotaly with myself and is pretty solid physiologic fact.
Using the numbers of Dr.D may be a good idea, but remember, metabolism can vary alot between peoples of similar bodyweight, sex and muscle mass!![/quote]
This is true. Calories in = calories out. However, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Sometimes, significantly boosting calories in (say by 1000 cal/day) leads to an even greater increase in calories out, by greatly increasing BMR. Check out Berardi’s article on this topic.
I would like to ask how effective you find this diet for building muscle mass. I have used AD and similar diets (CKD, NHE) in the past to shed bodyfat with great results. However, when I try to use such diet to build muscle mass it turns out that my caloric intake must be much higher in comparison with any diet rich in carbs in order to produce any results. What’s your opinion? Thanks.
Log a typical eating day on www.fitday.com. Let us know your numbers in terms of calories and macronutrient breakdown.
If you’re not losing weight, you’re probably just eating too much during the weekdays, even if you’re eating low carb. This was the problem my dad previously faced on Atkims. Ifthis is not the problem, then try doing a 12-hour carb up instead. Perhaps you are just going nuts on the weekends. Don’t worry, you’ll figure this out.
Please tell me what you think. Too many calories maybe or is that even important on AD?
Contrary to what some people might say…Calories DO matter…even on the high fat diet! Even Ketosis does not negate the impact of TOTAL calories! In an old DIRTY DIETING newsletter, Lyle McDonald gave a number of the maximum amount of ketones that are producable and excreteable in a day. Yes, I know KETOSIS per say isn’t the goal on this diet, but it does provide some “backup” for the overcomsuption of fat calories in that a ketone has to be either excreted or burned up…it can’t be restored as fat. However, there is a finite number of fat calories that can be converted to ketones. And there is a finite number of fat calories that can be burned up in an optimal “low insulin” metabolic state. Yes, ketosis or a fat burning low insulin level are optimal for fat burning, but a calorie level that is low enough to access stored bodyfat is still applicable.
All this has been back up anecdotaly with myself and is pretty solid physiologic fact.
Using the numbers of Dr.D may be a good idea, but remember, metabolism can vary alot between peoples of similar bodyweight, sex and muscle mass!![/quote]
Log a typical eating day on www.fitday.com. Let us know your numbers in terms of calories and macronutrient breakdown.
If you’re not losing weight, you’re probably just eating too much during the weekdays, even if you’re eating low carb. This was the problem my dad previously faced on Atkims. Ifthis is not the problem, then try doing a 12-hour carb up instead. Perhaps you are just going nuts on the weekends. Don’t worry, you’ll figure this out.
Please tell me what you think. Too many calories maybe or is that even important on AD?
Contrary to what some people might say…Calories DO matter…even on the high fat diet! Even Ketosis does not negate the impact of TOTAL calories! In an old DIRTY DIETING newsletter, Lyle McDonald gave a number of the maximum amount of ketones that are producable and excreteable in a day. Yes, I know KETOSIS per say isn’t the goal on this diet, but it does provide some “backup” for the overcomsuption of fat calories in that a ketone has to be either excreted or burned up…it can’t be restored as fat. However, there is a finite number of fat calories that can be converted to ketones. And there is a finite number of fat calories that can be burned up in an optimal “low insulin” metabolic state. Yes, ketosis or a fat burning low insulin level are optimal for fat burning, but a calorie level that is low enough to access stored bodyfat is still applicable.
All this has been back up anecdotaly with myself and is pretty solid physiologic fact.
Using the numbers of Dr.D may be a good idea, but remember, metabolism can vary alot between peoples of similar bodyweight, sex and muscle mass!!
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If your comment was directed twords me, then let me say I am NOT worried about ketones; although I do test for them occasionally. I was merely pointing out the significance of calorie intake in the context of a high fat diet. Hoglover made a comment regarding whether calorie levels matter or not. THAT was what I am responding to.
Doc D says that you can use some of the low carb bars on the market. Though I know that his would be the best to use, Does anyone now which others could be use without fear of messing things up. As an ADer how would we interpret the macro profile on the back of the bar when you take glycerine and other junk into consideration.
I am not talking about basing the diet on the bar, but rather being able to use them as one of those better than nothing tools when I cannot get to a shake or meal. If the bar says 4 net carbs does that mean that I can count it as that many.
My first full carb up day is today which is actually day 10 (not 12). I started to crash last night and felt it during my workout. Today was the same; lack of energy but nothing very pronounced, kinda vague, actually.
I’d like to see DH’s workout schedule for my own curiosity (and I appologize now if it’s somewhere in this impossibly long-ass thread and I missed it).
Will get all scientific on your ass. But the bottom line is count all carbs. Those “net carb” bars have sugar alcohol in them and your body will use sugar alcohol as an energy source. We only want our body using fat as an energy source. As DH said leave the net carb bullshit for the fat Atkins house wives.
[quote]Brudog wrote:
Doc D says that you can use some of the low carb bars on the market. Though I know that his would be the best to use, Does anyone now which others could be use without fear of messing things up. As an ADer how would we interpret the macro profile on the back of the bar when you take glycerine and other junk into consideration.
I am not talking about basing the diet on the bar, but rather being able to use them as one of those better than nothing tools when I cannot get to a shake or meal. If the bar says 4 net carbs does that mean that I can count it as that many.
Will get all scientific on your ass. But the bottom line is count all carbs. Those “net carb” bars have sugar alcohol in them and your body will use sugar alcohol as an energy source. We only want our body using fat as an energy source. As DH said leave the net carb bullshit for the fat Atkins house wives.
Brudog wrote:
Doc D says that you can use some of the low carb bars on the market. Though I know that his would be the best to use, Does anyone now which others could be use without fear of messing things up. As an ADer how would we interpret the macro profile on the back of the bar when you take glycerine and other junk into consideration.
I am not talking about basing the diet on the bar, but rather being able to use them as one of those better than nothing tools when I cannot get to a shake or meal. If the bar says 4 net carbs does that mean that I can count it as that many.