Make no mistake about it this is DH’s thread. I had very little to do with it. I don’t know why DH is not making millions in the industry.
MDRAGON, if you’re checking in, let me (us) know how the Renegade cert. went, and is going.
I was in contact with JD YEARS ago and he sent me an advanced, WAAAAAAAY advanced routine. He had to explain what the “ab circuit” etc. was that later showed up in his Renegade for Football book.
This is the toughest stuff I’ve ever encountered. I’m determined to be able to keep up with and surpass all of my clients whether it’s pure strength or work capacity all the way into my 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.
I’m hoping this diet will help me in that persuit. Great so far. No crash but it’s only day 5!
Hey, MDragon. Thanks for the kind words. Maybe one of these days I can make a living on all this. ;0.
My buddy who runs a gym always said I gave away too much for free. Used to drive him nuts. I’d have people squared away for training for life inside of an hour. I like people, so that’s that.
Good to see you’re doing well.
DH
[quote]mdragon wrote:
Make no mistake about it this is DH’s thread. I had very little to do with it. I don’t know why DH is not making millions in the industry.[/quote]
Expect the crash, and count yourself blessed if you miss it. Covers both ends. ;-).
DH
[quote]derek wrote:
MDRAGON, if you’re checking in, let me (us) know how the Renegade cert. went, and is going.
I was in contact with JD YEARS ago and he sent me an advanced, WAAAAAAAY advanced routine. He had to explain what the “ab circuit” etc. was that later showed up in his Renegade for Football book.
This is the toughest stuff I’ve ever encountered. I’m determined to be able to keep up with and surpass all of my clients whether it’s pure strength or work capacity all the way into my 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.
I’m hoping this diet will help me in that persuit. Great so far. No crash but it’s only day 5! [/quote]
I’m trying not to get discouraged but I’m not seeing the type weight loss or fat loss that I’d like to see from all the posts I’ve read. I mean, I think I’m following this thing to the T. The only thing I might could do is get more protein maybe but I’m positive I’m not getting too many carbohydrates in my daily intake.
Maybe I need to be excercising more. I don’t know.
Here’s where my discouragement starts to arise. I completed my first Triathlon (in 1’42:14)and I would’ve thought from all that activity along with my following this diet plan so closely that I’d be losing more weight and or BF than I seem to notice. I was about 200 lbs. Saturday morning before my carb up began. I weight today and was almost 10 lbs. heavier today than I was Saturday morning.
What gives? I want my weight to be going down. Now, I did kill the carbs on Sunday after my Triathlon but from the way I understand the diet to work, it shouldn’t matter how many carbs i have. Is this true or not? Possibly I need to cut my carb ups to 1 day instead of 2. I don’t know. I’m sure I could be working out more.
Can any of you offer any encouraging words that maybe I’m not thinking of.
You can check out before and 1 month progress pics here http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=730143
I don’t seem to see a lot of difference in these pics.
Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
You should expect your weight to vary a lot depending on how recently you carbed up. When you get into the carbs your muscles are replenished with glycogen. The glycogen brings with it a lot of water, which is the main reason for the weight gain.
The best thing to do re weighing yourself is to only weigh infrequently and always at the same time and same day of the week. Then you will get a better idea of what is really happening.
However, in many ways the tape measure is a better analysis tool. You could be putting on weight but still losing fat.
The other thing is that the first month or two is a readjustment phase. Most people have spent a lifetime teaching their bodies to burn carbs. It takes time to readjust to burning fat. You need to think of the anabolic diet as a permanent adjustment in eating habits, not a diet.
[quote]HogLover wrote:
I’m trying not to get discouraged but I’m not seeing the type weight loss or fat loss that I’d like to see from all the posts I’ve read. I mean, I think I’m following this thing to the T. The only thing I might could do is get more protein maybe but I’m positive I’m not getting too many carbohydrates in my daily intake.
Maybe I need to be excercising more. I don’t know.
Here’s where my discouragement starts to arise. I completed my first Triathlon (in 1’42:14)and I would’ve thought from all that activity along with my following this diet plan so closely that I’d be losing more weight and or BF than I seem to notice. I was about 200 lbs. Saturday morning before my carb up began. I weight today and was almost 10 lbs. heavier today than I was Saturday morning.
What gives? I want my weight to be going down. Now, I did kill the carbs on Sunday after my Triathlon but from the way I understand the diet to work, it shouldn’t matter how many carbs i have. Is this true or not? Possibly I need to cut my carb ups to 1 day instead of 2. I don’t know. I’m sure I could be working out more.
Can any of you offer any encouraging words that maybe I’m not thinking of.
You can check out before and 1 month progress pics here http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=730143
I don’t seem to see a lot of difference in these pics.
Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated. [/quote]
I’m into my third week of the AD, I’ve done it before with great success and love this way of eating. My problem this time is probably a bit of a stupid one, but I thought I’d put it to the floor anyway;
Today is my birthday, and as such the entire world will be conspiring to force feed me cakes and beer a-plenty. Now, don’t worry, I’m not sooo anal about my diet that I’d consider turning these down on a once-a-year occassion, I’m just wondering what the best way of rectifying the damage afterwards might be. Skip this w/e carb up? Or a bit of cardio tomorrow to use up the glycogen and then carry on as normal? Any sugestions gratefully received…
Coach Davies was probably trying to overtrain you so that your body would supercompensate later. That is one of his tactics. He feels that you should not even be able to finish the workout the first week but by week two or three you are flying through it. Then after usually six weeks the volume is dropped. Keeping the same intensity. I really enjoyed the cert. I now have a cert. to back up my knowledge. Makes it more believable to people.
HogLover,
Try the following:
Log a typical eating day on www.fitday.com. Let us know your numbers in terms of calories and macronutrient breakdown.
If you’re not losing weight, you’re probably just eating too much during the weekdays, even if you’re eating low carb. This was the problem my dad previously faced on Atkins.
If this is not the problem, then try doing a 12-hour carb up instead. Perhaps you are just going nuts on the weekends. Don’t worry, you’ll figure this out.
The idea behind 30g carbs a day is shifting the body’s metabolism and avoiding insulin spikes.
All good.
If you get your carbs from broccoli,cauliflower,tomatoes and such,will that still have an effect on insulin?I’m not too keen on weighing or restricting these kinds of foods due to acid load and such.
This diet is possible for those of us who go to school.Here’s what I brought in my bag today:
7 eggs
5 chickenlegs,about 50 g of mixed nuts
tuna salad with 50 g olive/flax seed oil
Broccoli and cauliflower
One pre and one PWO shake
The calorie grand total of this was 2000+,which leaves about 1300 kcal to be eaten over two meals when I get home.I eat when I can at school during breaks,so I might finish the salad in two sittings and eat 4-6 times during the day.
Do the majority of you guys feel like it’s best to eat 4 to 6 meals a day or can this be done on 3 to 4? I probably get the largest amount of calories/fat/protein in my evening meal. I usually eat 1 lb. of ground beef or turkey and a spinach salad in the evenings.
As far as mean frequency goes, that may just be a matter of choice. The difference between 4 meals per day and 8 meals per day seems to be of less consequence with AD that with a higher carb diet given that the total calorie intake is appropriate for your goals.
This Renegade Training may wery well lead me into overtraining. I had planned on taking a short layoff after the first 3 weeks, then starting over with a higher volume and going through it all over again. I can already tell that my conditioning has improved. And I’ve been asked questions by strangers (two, this weekend) that prove my appearance has improved. One hot Black chick asked me if I was a “fitness professional” and the other, an older gentleman asked if I played college football (I’m 35 years old). He thought I was a tight end maybe for Boston College or something! Nice words and great motivation!
I’m in.
Downloaded the book, signed up at Costco, bought:
12 huge 85% burgers
3lbs smoked salmon
3 lbs frozen tuna steaks
4 cans italian tuna in OO
15 cans regular tuna
5 lbs pre-marinated teriyaki beef
4 lbs bacon
2 lbs guacamole
5 lbs cheese, cheddar and a Monterey Jack assortment
2.5 lbs spinach
Stats:
6’2, 270ish (will know tomorrow), probably 30% BF. Waist size, approx 48"
Did the V diet (and started lifting again)in May and June, lost 13 lbs, went off the diet and lost another 10, don’t ask me how, probably: the lifting, fish oil and HOT-ROX.
I’ve tried 3 times now to go back on the V diet, and every time I fail. WHy? Cuz the protein powder now makes me gag. I cannot choke the stuff down, even though Grow! never ever made me gag and always went down smooth.
I guess my body is trying to send me a message.
My goals: to get down to 230-235, 36-38" waist.
Found a great link for carb counts of veggies, the best one I’ve seen yet.
Check it out, its from Atkins
http://atkins.com/global/carb-counter/carb-counter.html?cat=vegetables
No questions yet as I’ve yet to finish the book.
We’ll see if I can adjust to this lifestyle.
So AD’ers here’s something I’ve been thinking about:
The other day I was indulging my guilty pleasure, reading the muscle rags, and one of the articles said something about protein being protein sparing. I thought “Hmm, that’s not right, more protein means more protein oxidation.”
So, I think when we talk about eating more protein to spare muscle mass, we need to qualify that by saying, “When protein intake is ample and frequent, dietary protein will spare muscle protein.” This may be why guys typically lose so much muscle mas when they cut out the carbs and fat on a low fat cutting diet, protein oxidation is ramped up and they have to cannibalize muscle tissue to meet their energy needs.
That being said, I think a better way to spare muscle protein is to consume fat as a primary energy source. That way lipid oxidation is increased, and protein oxidation is unchanged.
I realize this is probably old news to y’all that read and understood Dr D’s book, but I just wanted to reiterate it after I read the muscle rag blurb.
-Conor
Nice website Sonny! Good luck… That shopping list made me laugh out loud (out of jealousy). You should be all set for at LEAST 4 or 5 days ;^) Keep on posting as you go. It’ll be a great experiment.
[quote]conorh wrote:
So AD’ers here’s something I’ve been thinking about:
The other day I was indulging my guilty pleasure, reading the muscle rags, and one of the articles said something about protein being protein sparing. I thought “Hmm, that’s not right, more protein means more protein oxidation.”
So, I think when we talk about eating more protein to spare muscle mass, we need to qualify that by saying, “When protein intake is ample and frequent, dietary protein will spare muscle protein.” This may be why guys typically lose so much muscle mas when they cut out the carbs and fat on a low fat cutting diet, protein oxidation is ramped up and they have to cannibalize muscle tissue to meet their energy needs.
That being said, I think a better way to spare muscle protein is to consume fat as a primary energy source. That way lipid oxidation is increased, and protein oxidation is unchanged.
I realize this is probably old news to y’all that read and understood Dr D’s book, but I just wanted to reiterate it after I read the muscle rag blurb.
-Conor[/quote]
Great deduction (NO sarcasm intended)!
Man, I had my first real clean carb up this past weekend, and my strength on my Monday workout was noticably higher than normal. Most of my carbs this weekend came from veggies, oatmeal, rice, and pasta, with a little pizza thrown in for good measure. I definitely felt better than when I indulge in crap all weekend.
Trust me I won’t be spending that much again next time! Came to about 135 bucks-ouch!
Not worried, I’ll keep reading the thread, and start figuring out my numbers/ratios. Then, once I have the numbers figured out, I’ll incorporate some of the cost-cutting methods a lot of you are using.
[quote]derek wrote:
Nice website Sonny! Good luck… That shopping list made me laugh out loud (out of jealousy). You should be all set for at LEAST 4 or 5 days ;^) Keep on posting as you go. It’ll be a great experiment.[/quote]