Joseb,
It’s less important what you ‘knew’ about dieting, and more important to start new.
Results, before you see the best progress of your life… Maybe some fading doubts, worry and confusion early on.
After you get a personal feeling for what your body does with different foods, fat types… and eventually how you choose to structure your carb load… the Anabolic diet will begin making its own kind of perfect sense.
Now, my experience with Dr Mauro’s vauge outline and suggestions for carb up comes nowhere near close to the success of adapting t-dawg and velocity principles into the mix.
I had the best success with ‘The ultimate diet 2.0’ carb loading parameters. That included 200g dextrose every 1.5 hours till I reached 1400g in 12 hours (with the help of a lil multigrain bread and sweet tato) and then a day full of brown rice and pasta. Another 600g or so. The trick is to slowly take less simple, liquid based carbs and increase complex+ quality and CLEAN carb sources over the weekend. I began friday arvo and ended sunday arvo. Sunday night snack (if I could stilleat at all) would simply be roast pork rind, or fatty supershake.
To really experience the reported ‘hormone manipulation’ (ie. insane strength and pumps) I have to be more committed to the weekend than I am through the week.
[quote]BigJonMud wrote:
Joseb,
It’s less important what you ‘knew’ about dieting, and more important to start new.
Results, before you see the best progress of your life… Maybe some fading doubts, worry and confusion early on.
After you get a personal feeling for what your body does with different foods, fat types… and eventually how you choose to structure your carb load… the Anabolic diet will begin making its own kind of perfect sense.
Now, my experience with Dr Mauro’s vauge outline and suggestions for carb up comes nowhere near close to the success of adapting t-dawg and velocity principles into the mix.
I had the best success with ‘The ultimate diet 2.0’ carb loading parameters. That included 200g dextrose every 1.5 hours till I reached 1400g in 12 hours (with the help of a lil multigrain bread and sweet tato) and then a day full of brown rice and pasta. Another 600g or so. The trick is to slowly take less simple, liquid based carbs and increase complex+ quality and CLEAN carb sources over the weekend. I began friday arvo and ended sunday arvo. Sunday night snack (if I could stilleat at all) would simply be roast pork rind, or fatty supershake.
To really experience the reported ‘hormone manipulation’ (ie. insane strength and pumps) I have to be more committed to the weekend than I am through the week.[/quote]
once you do get the muscle loading effect and the post CHO up pump it is dope. you look jacked as hell. I feel like shaving my hamstrings they look so cool.
Ketosis is basically irrelevant and reaching it on this diet depends on how you train anyway.
What is most relevant to strength, performance, and fat loss is glycogen, water, and creatine storage in the muscles.
If you eat as much protein and fat as you want during the week, perform a massive high fat carb up during the weekend, and then train with low reps the entire week you will be very lucky if the anabolic diet does anything but make your bodyfat go up and limit your muscle and strength gains.
I think the diet is based on a lot of flawed information, just like some of the PWO advice given on here (outrageous levels of high GI carbs and such even on cuts without consideration for the type of training being done here). Although this is mostly old articles many are often cited as a source to base diet off of.
I am just gonna say it, not argue it, I am just putting out my opinion from experience and a lot of recent reading:
This diet, in its original form, is ill conceived for pretty much any goal. Don’t do it.
If you are really interested, read UD 2.0 and you will come away with a lot more perspective and knowledge on how the actual processes related to carb loading and a CKD work. That’s all.
I’ve read the first 130 or so pages and read them so quickly that some of the information i just can’t recall.
I’m on the diet day 5 now, second time around doing this, and I am starving. I read that if one is still hungry he should reduce the amount of protein and increase the fats. well i did that but now i dont know how much lower i should go. i’ve went to about 25% protein now, if even that, at about 270g. I weigh about 230 lbs. now 25% feels awfully little and I honestly don’t even know how i should cut my protein even more.
when i started i went by the 18xbodyweight calorie recommendation but that was awfully low. it amounted to ^4300 calories for me. this was a bit less than what i was taking in before the AD. now i’m well past 5000 calories and still am hungry, and its closing in on 6000 because i have to eat more and more.
I also eat plenty of veggies within the CHO limit, along with ground flax seeds so fiber intake should not be a problem either.
about 3 of my meals are liquid, a shake with whey, olive oil and heavy cream. maybe I should have one less of these and one more solid meal? thing with these is that they give me an easy 700 calories quickly and a way to get olive oil. and even after solid meals i’m hungry about 5 minutes afterwards.
also, my breakfast is an omelette of about 700 calories with one of these shakes, so about 1400 calories. maybe i should have a bigger breakfast? I just wouldn’t want to give up my unsat. fats.
what should i do?
[quote]actionjeff wrote:
Ketosis is basically irrelevant and reaching it on this diet depends on how you train anyway.
What is most relevant to strength, performance, and fat loss is glycogen, water, and creatine storage in the muscles.
If you eat as much protein and fat as you want during the week, perform a massive high fat carb up during the weekend, and then train with low reps the entire week you will be very lucky if the anabolic diet does anything but make your bodyfat go up and limit your muscle and strength gains.
I think the diet is based on a lot of flawed information, just like some of the PWO advice given on here (outrageous levels of high GI carbs and such even on cuts without consideration for the type of training being done here). Although this is mostly old articles many are often cited as a source to base diet off of.
I am just gonna say it, not argue it, I am just putting out my opinion from experience and a lot of recent reading:
This diet, in its original form, is ill conceived for pretty much any goal. Don’t do it.
If you are really interested, read UD 2.0 and you will come away with a lot more perspective and knowledge on how the actual processes related to carb loading and a CKD work. That’s all. [/quote]
hmmmweekend arent suppose to be high fat carb ups…just carb ups…fyi
i am on day 10 today of the induction phase i take 3200 cal’s a day 40% 5% 60% of that 50%mono 30%sat 20%poly fats i have lost 2 inches from my waist and 8 lb from my starting 206 lb 44 inch ( i know its water )
energy is good and constant and i do get hungry about 10 minutes before i eat. my goal is to lose the belly jelly as iam one of those skinny fat guys.I am hopping to accomplish this ADing.
I’ve read the first 130 or so pages and read them so quickly that some of the information i just can’t recall.
I’m on the diet day 5 now, second time around doing this, and I am starving. I read that if one is still hungry he should reduce the amount of protein and increase the fats. well i did that but now i dont know how much lower i should go. i’ve went to about 25% protein now, if even that, at about 270g. I weigh about 230 lbs. now 25% feels awfully little and I honestly don’t even know how i should cut my protein even more.
when i started i went by the 18xbodyweight calorie recommendation but that was awfully low. it amounted to ^4300 calories for me. this was a bit less than what i was taking in before the AD. now i’m well past 5000 calories and still am hungry, and its closing in on 6000 because i have to eat more and more.
I also eat plenty of veggies within the CHO limit, along with ground flax seeds so fiber intake should not be a problem either.
about 3 of my meals are liquid, a shake with whey, olive oil and heavy cream. maybe I should have one less of these and one more solid meal? thing with these is that they give me an easy 700 calories quickly and a way to get olive oil. and even after solid meals i’m hungry about 5 minutes afterwards.
also, my breakfast is an omelette of about 700 calories with one of these shakes, so about 1400 calories. maybe i should have a bigger breakfast? I just wouldn’t want to give up my unsat. fats.
what should i do?
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Dude if you hungry…Eat.
I’ve read the first 130 or so pages and read them so quickly that some of the information i just can’t recall.
I’m on the diet day 5 now, second time around doing this, and I am starving. I read that if one is still hungry he should reduce the amount of protein and increase the fats. well i did that but now i dont know how much lower i should go. i’ve went to about 25% protein now, if even that, at about 270g. I weigh about 230 lbs. now 25% feels awfully little and I honestly don’t even know how i should cut my protein even more.
when i started i went by the 18xbodyweight calorie recommendation but that was awfully low. it amounted to ^4300 calories for me. this was a bit less than what i was taking in before the AD. now i’m well past 5000 calories and still am hungry, and its closing in on 6000 because i have to eat more and more.
I also eat plenty of veggies within the CHO limit, along with ground flax seeds so fiber intake should not be a problem either.
about 3 of my meals are liquid, a shake with whey, olive oil and heavy cream. maybe I should have one less of these and one more solid meal? thing with these is that they give me an easy 700 calories quickly and a way to get olive oil. and even after solid meals i’m hungry about 5 minutes afterwards.
also, my breakfast is an omelette of about 700 calories with one of these shakes, so about 1400 calories. maybe i should have a bigger breakfast? I just wouldn’t want to give up my unsat. fats.
what should i do?
Dude if you hungry…Eat.[/quote]
Well obviously yeah that’s what i’m doing. But some people claim they are not hungry at all and have to really work on getting in the calories. while some say that if you are hungry at a certain kcal intake you have to adjust some things. That’s what i’m talking about. I’m vry much over my recommended caloric intake for the induction phase, and while I understand that there are individual differences I’m still willing to take into consideration the fact that maybe I could do something differently.
[quote]L-Dee wrote:
about 3 of my meals are liquid,
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I’ve been fat adapted for 2 and a half years and the only shakes I consume ever are around workouts. Never full, never hungry. There should be no problem whatsoever getting PLENTY of calories from solid food on this diet. There is no way to avoid the fact that some additional preparation is necessary.
i feel a bit empty on this diet… but not too hungry. Im on the maintenance phase as of now… as well as in the beginning of my wrestling season. Still, i dont feel too hungry. A bit sick of food in general, and i dont really ever feel like eating.
I’ve had a couple days where ive fallen asleep from being tired from practice and not been able to eat… but thats it
i feel a bit empty on this diet… but not too hungry. Im on the maintenance phase as of now… as well as in the beginning of my wrestling season. Still, i dont feel too hungry.
A bit sick of food in general, and i dont really ever feel like eating. I’ve had a couple days where ive fallen asleep from being tired from practice and not been able to eat… but thats it
I’ve read the first 130 or so pages and read them so quickly that some of the information i just can’t recall.
I’m on the diet day 5 now, second time around doing this, and I am starving. I read that if one is still hungry he should reduce the amount of protein and increase the fats. well i did that but now i dont know how much lower i should go. i’ve went to about 25% protein now, if even that, at about 270g. I weigh about 230 lbs. now 25% feels awfully little and I honestly don’t even know how i should cut my protein even more.
when i started i went by the 18xbodyweight calorie recommendation but that was awfully low. it amounted to ^4300 calories for me. this was a bit less than what i was taking in before the AD. now i’m well past 5000 calories and still am hungry, and its closing in on 6000 because i have to eat more and more.
I also eat plenty of veggies within the CHO limit, along with ground flax seeds so fiber intake should not be a problem either.
about 3 of my meals are liquid, a shake with whey, olive oil and heavy cream. maybe I should have one less of these and one more solid meal? thing with these is that they give me an easy 700 calories quickly and a way to get olive oil. and even after solid meals i’m hungry about 5 minutes afterwards.
also, my breakfast is an omelette of about 700 calories with one of these shakes, so about 1400 calories. maybe i should have a bigger breakfast? I just wouldn’t want to give up my unsat. fats.
what should i do?
Dude if you hungry…Eat.
Well obviously yeah that’s what i’m doing. But some people claim they are not hungry at all and have to really work on getting in the calories. while some say that if you are hungry at a certain kcal intake you have to adjust some things. That’s what i’m talking about. I’m vry much over my recommended caloric intake for the induction phase, and while I understand that there are individual differences I’m still willing to take into consideration the fact that maybe I could do something differently.
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Another consideration that could be made about those forcing calories to get the right numbers could have surpressed metabolic rates…I bet there a lot of people who dont have optimal thyroid functioning. Oh and the liquid meals Im sure dont contribute very much to satiety. Havem with solid meals if your worried about the drop in cals if you didnt consume them
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
L-Dee wrote:
about 3 of my meals are liquid,
I’ve been fat adapted for 2 and a half years and the only shakes I consume ever are around workouts. Never full, never hungry. There should be no problem whatsoever getting PLENTY of calories from solid food on this diet. There is no way to avoid the fact that some additional preparation is necessary.[/quote]
You are right, that’s what i’m leaning towards now. I’ve added bacon to my breakfast now as its the only thing i could think about quickly. I already have cheese and ham in my omelette. Actually 2 of my 3 shakes are around my workouts, pre and post. But obviously that morning shake should be replaced by something solid. I’ll have to reread some older posts and look up some breakfast suggestions.
Thanks.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
L-Dee wrote:
about 3 of my meals are liquid,
I’ve been fat adapted for 2 and a half years and the only shakes I consume ever are around workouts. Never full, never hungry. There should be no problem whatsoever getting PLENTY of calories from solid food on this diet. There is no way to avoid the fact that some additional preparation is necessary.[/quote]
You are right, that’s what i’m leaning towards now. I’ve added bacon to my breakfast now as its the only thing i could think about quickly. I already have cheese and ham in my omelette. Actually 2 of my 3 shakes are around my workouts, pre and post. But obviously that morning shake should be replaced by something solid. I’ll have to reread some older posts and look up some breakfast suggestions.
Thanks.
Are there any people who have been on this for years and are still liking it?
I’ve been on and off of it for a year or so and want to get back into it. The reason for leaving the first time is because I got bored with my food choices. I was only eating like 4-5 different foods and that’s it.
Anyways, I hope things are going well for everyone on this diet.
One more question…
If someone doesn’t oxidize fat well, that basically means a high level of ketones would show up in the urine, correct?
I dropped the bacon for good since Dr Mauro suggested I may have developed vitreous floaters from too much sodium. There were times that I really neglected the veg when aiming for big calories which may have also influenced this.
I’m not sure what others are doing with their fat ratios, but I found the need to up my mono and polys which resulted in a clearer head and better vision. It seems difficult to get higher poly fats unless a large portion of calories come from oil in shakes and sauces.
I have never been outeaten in a single sitting, yet I find it very difficult to get 5000 calories consistently. It seems impossible to balance my macros and get toward 5000cal without 3 or more supershakes.
One thing I do enjoy is that iv never been short of variety on this diet.
yesterday was my 1st carb up,it began with: 1# sugar in my coffe
2# 4 eggs fried in 1/2 stick of butter
2 slices of multy grain bread
3# fresh juice (bunch o’kale,5carrots,4cellery,1turnip,1parsnip,1beet,1inch ginger,5radishes,1apple)
4# cup brown rice,1 baked potato smashed with olive oil and butter,1 cup of mixed veggies(carrot,peas,green beans,corn)1orange,1banana
5# 1 baked potato smashed with olive oil and butter,1 cup of mixed veggies(carrot,peas,green beans,corn
6# 2bananas,2 cuts of cake
7# 4oz cashews
thats it
i must addmit after 2# i was dizzy the rest of the meals went down easy and uneventfull only difference i drunk 2 gallons of water stead o one and i pooped 4 times stead o one.
the other thing i noticed is you gotta eat a LOT to get as much calories with cho.
today carb up day 2 spend all day on the couch watching movies.
1# 4eggs,2cups o oats, cup o milk(shake)
2# 1/2 lb pasta w/ meatsauce,4 slice multygrain bread.
3# same as 2#