Hi, people could you tell me if its ok to eat things such as them turkish doner kebabs and stuff? while on the anabolic diet or has that thing got hidden carbs in there aswell? from what i see its high in fat and protein rite? thanks guys
Dammit man. I can’t believe how much this thread has grown. This has to be the most definitive AD information thread anywhere and I’m on the first page!!!
[quote]TEEN-BUILDER wrote:
Hi, people could you tell me if its ok to eat things such as them turkish doner kebabs and stuff? while on the anabolic diet or has that thing got hidden carbs in there aswell? from what i see its high in fat and protein rite? thanks guys[/quote]
I don’t know what those are, but 99.9% of everything that comes in a package, box, bag or can have more hidden carbs than you want for the first few months while you’re getting fully adapted.
If you’re serious about eating this way and haven’t settled in yet I would avoid anything there’s a question about.
This Low Carb Diet Tools - Hidden-Carbs Calculator can be helpful.
hey joebob iam reading from the beggining as i go along i am on page 56 i was contemplating looking up the original participants to see how they faired on ad in the long run i mean this threat started in 2005 so how did you make out?
[quote]oldhead wrote:
hey joebob iam reading from the beggining as i go along i am on page 56 i was contemplating looking up the original participants to see how they faired on ad in the long run i mean this threat started in 2005 so how did you make out?[/quote]
Hey,
Not only am I an original participant, I’ve been on the diet, for the most part, since 1998 or 99.
It’s a life style. Anytime I got talked into trying something else, I got fat.
It’s the way to go long term if you feel good on low carbs.
That being said, when I come by and pop in on this thread, I’m seeing a lot of mis-info from new people.
Don’t dilute the diet or get cute with it…just follow the damn thing!
Guys like BKMackey know their stuff…listen to them!
well Im gonna say that means a lot from IL Cazzo since he was one of the vets i looked up to while starting this life-style almost 3 years ago
its basicalli a big hunk of meat, and they cut it in thin slices and serve it with salad and garlic mayo. it drips with fat wheneva its heated…hmmm maybe i should be leave it for the adaption phase then 
[quote]actionjeff wrote:
Ketosis is basically irrelevant and reaching it on this diet depends on how you train anyway.
What is most relevant to strength, performance, and fat loss is glycogen, water, and creatine storage in the muscles.
If you eat as much protein and fat as you want during the week, perform a massive high fat carb up during the weekend, and then train with low reps the entire week you will be very lucky if the anabolic diet does anything but make your bodyfat go up and limit your muscle and strength gains.
I think the diet is based on a lot of flawed information, just like some of the PWO advice given on here (outrageous levels of high GI carbs and such even on cuts without consideration for the type of training being done here). Although this is mostly old articles many are often cited as a source to base diet off of.
I am just gonna say it, not argue it, I am just putting out my opinion from experience and a lot of recent reading:
This diet, in its original form, is ill conceived for pretty much any goal. Don’t do it.
If you are really interested, read UD 2.0 and you will come away with a lot more perspective and knowledge on how the actual processes related to carb loading and a CKD work. That’s all. [/quote]
well, I’m glad you’re just keen to say it and not argue it.
I always like to listen to people who are unwilling to discuss or explain their positions and just drop nice blanket criticisms. Nothing ever seems quite as brave as criticizing and then retreating without option for discussion.
Besides, everybody knows that discussion is for ponces and assholes anyhow. Whoever developed their thought process and critical thinking skills through discussion anyways? I’d rather go around putting my opinion in and refusing to discuss it. That’s how correct my opinion is. It’s so correct that when a college girl with mid level grades consumes my semen she gets A’s for a month.
In other news: Im not exactly sure you have strong handle on what exactly the AD is and is not and what it can be used for. I think it is more versatile than you realize. None of these things are inherently your fault for not knowing.
I have seen with my own handsome blue eyes an N=15 sample of clients who prosper like rabbits eating viagra ice cream on the AD. All of them losing fat, getting stronger and suffering many other positive health benefits such as better blood lipids and liver enzyme production. Not only that but it facilitates the one most important thing involved in any “diet”: compliance. Any and all diets will do what they say so long as you actually do them over the course of time. It’s a program that is easy to base your REAL LIFE around and the lives of your family. there’s less than 5 easy rules to follow and simple food lists and great cooking options.
People on here seem to be able to use it to their advantage as well. this is, after all, the largest and most read thread on T-Nation.com. In what other threads do people actually go back and read the thing from the start? Anyone with patience and the correct methods for their goals will likely succeed on this program. In my small and barely relevant world the statistics for success on the AD come up mighty positive. Like many things in this world and especially this community, it’s all about the numbers sir.
-chris
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
That being said, when I come by and pop in on this thread, I’m seeing a lot of mis-info from new people.
Don’t dilute the diet or get cute with it…just follow the damn thing!
Guys like BKMackey know their stuff…listen to them![/quote]
x2.
It’s very simple, which is not easy for many people.
-chris
il cazzo you still lifting boulders? LOL
i wonder what DH and atlas are doing now days
G’day to all the ol’ school vets.
A couple of questions-
Il Cazzo,
How has your health panned out in the long run? Iv spoken to a lot of dickweed doctors about this diet, none of whom will support me in it.
The main reason, im told is that despite all the positive evidence no1 can generally test for arterial build up of fat. (could this have anything to do with increased vascualarity…) Has it been smooth sailing, following the diet to the letter or has trial+error and experimentation played its part?
Avacado,
Im just curious what you think of the UD 2.0. Also, do you think it could be worthwhile for others to read up more on CKD’s and various carbloading techniques.
Personally, I think the last paragraph (alone) of actionjeffs quoted post was the most valuable.
[quote]oldhead wrote:
hey joebob iam reading from the beggining as i go along i am on page 56 i was contemplating looking up the original participants to see how they faired on ad in the long run i mean this threat started in 2005 so how did you make out?[/quote]
I stayed on the AD for close to a year. I had to start traveling a lot for work and I fell out of the “AD Lifestyle” so to speak. I eat more of a traditional high protein, moderate carb and fat diet now, but I still use CKDs when cutting.
I am glad to see that this thread has helped so many people. It is really a great resource on the AD.
As a public service for new comers here:
You can stop asking oft answered questions now. PM me and I’ll give you the link for the original anabolic diet (80 pages, clean cut). Then read it and I promise you your every concern is addressed.
[quote]BigJonMud wrote:
G’day to all the ol’ school vets.
A couple of questions-
Il Cazzo,
How has your health panned out in the long run? Iv spoken to a lot of dickweed doctors about this diet, none of whom will support me in it.
The main reason, im told is that despite all the positive evidence no1 can generally test for arterial build up of fat. (could this have anything to do with increased vascualarity…) Has it been smooth sailing, following the diet to the letter or has trial+error and experimentation played its part?
Avacado,
Im just curious what you think of the UD 2.0. Also, do you think it could be worthwhile for others to read up more on CKD’s and various carbloading techniques.
Personally, I think the last paragraph (alone) of actionjeffs quoted post was the most valuable.
[/quote]
Yeah and no. It’s good to know stuff, especially if it is your business [ie. you are a coach and responsible for nutrition plans]. On the other hand, some people know a lot, to no avail. Thing is I do not think that 95% of athletes even need something as technical as what UD 2 represents, let alone casual lifters.
the exact and rigid nature of UD and other CKD shit is that it’s too much information when most people need about 5 lines of information to succeed. Simple will always win. Complex thoughts are hard to jam into large, broad categories. the brain loves to do this. As such, simple thoughts fit easily and are better stored and used.
Good to know shit, but better to do shit. It seems that things can be TOO easy for some. everyone like drama. No one loves the plain old romance of eat your meat and veggies, carb load for your goals, repeat until goal is accomplished. Everyone likes all kinds of cute details. fact is, success at diets is like success at getting ladies, you cannot over think it and you must simply just DO it.
the other thing is you can get the same results by tuning your AD program AFTER you’ve been doing it for a year or more.
But if you get a huge boner from dieting details and it improves your quality of life to be waiting for the exact second to begin carb loading and weighing your shits, then go for it. That’s like the broads on the bulimia forums, getting that anal about their nutrition.
-chris
Evening all. I’m going to start the AD tomorrow after I load up on carbs today. I’m only 140lbs and I’m trying for a one arm pullup (again, I failed last time). Currently I’d guess I’m at about 10%BF. My daily kcal requirement is 2500 according to DrPas. Should I start at 2500kcals/day or should I run at a deficit to get the BF down a few percent to make the OAP easier?
[quote]Mahatma wrote:
Evening all. I’m going to start the AD tomorrow after I load up on carbs today. I’m only 140lbs and I’m trying for a one arm pullup (again, I failed last time). Currently I’d guess I’m at about 10%BF. My daily kcal requirement is 2500 according to DrPas. Should I start at 2500kcals/day or should I run at a deficit to get the BF down a few percent to make the OAP easier?[/quote]
At 140 and a 1A PlUp as a goal I would not start worrying about getting lean. I’d worry more about destroying as much food as possible and training very frequently. The mighty 1A PlUp can only be gotten from massive pulling power in the arm and back. You need to develop that massive power previous to shedding any excess BF for the pull.
I doubt BF will even be an issue given your current stats. doesn’t sound like your a fatty. Does sound like you could use a lot more muscle and power. Get the power up first. chances are you will do the 1A PlUp before having to lean up on a test day or something.
-chris
weighing 197LB waist 41.5" at the start of second carb up.
going in for bloodwork tommorow.
last time my waist was 41.5 i was 190LB hmmm.
Ok avocado, I’ll bow to your greater wisdom and get eating. Just one more question before I start. I read someone talking about a protein shake and cream weighing in at 900kcals. What cream am I adding to the shake? Does it matter? My peanut butter and tuna experiment was a total failure so I’m looking for more P+F meal ideas.
The cost of protein power in the UK is a little expensive, or at least I thought that, until I calculated that I can get 1.2kg of good quality protein for £30. I can’t buy from Biotest because of the import taxes and VAT make the cost too high.
Edit:
I’m on day 1 and think I’m suffering from sugar cravings already. It’s hard to describe but it’s like nicotine withdrawal, a feeling of anxiety or agitation. I was never on a high carb diet before now, but I’d often fill my tea up with 1 or 2 teaspoons of sugar and now I’ve switched to stevia extract (not the green leaf, the white powder). Is this normal?
first day of second carb up:
1# 16 oz exspresso coffee w/3spoons sugar
2# breakfast shake (4eggs,glass o milk, cup o oats)
3# fresh juice (5carrots,turnip,parsnip,4radish,2beets,2cups kale,1inch ginger)
4# 5# 6# 3cups rice with 1 cup beans and 1lb roast pork 2 oranges
7# 8# 2 grilled chicken breasts