[quote]derek wrote:
wings_931 wrote:
Any other REAL proof? like anyone BUT the Doctor himself? I mean wouldn’t it be obvious that if the diet has been around that long and it works that well; everyone would be on it including Mr O? and every other Body Builder, and Strength Athlete out there?!
Truth is they are not. and its for a reason - it doesnt get them the goals they are trying to acheive.
Anyway - im done with this thread.
Can I help it if they don’t have an open mind?
And who cares who does it and who doesn’t? If you can’t do it, don’t, I guess.
Lack of famous strength athletes backing it is no reason to draw conclusions that it doesn’t work.[/quote]
Id say thats an exact reason!
And yes I do have an open mind - I even tried the diet and realsied there is no subsatnce for it.
Just because I have now formed an opnion on something does not make me close minded; just more informed because now I have an experience to speak of.
“Why is it men only speak and only form opinions on the negative experiences and veiws of topic which they have no knowledge of? Only to fuel their own weak minds” - R. Hays 1976
[quote]wings_931 wrote:
And yes I do have an open mind - I even tried the diet and realsied there is no subsatnce for it.
Just because I have now formed an opnion on something does not make me close minded; just more informed because now I have an experience to speak of.
“Why is it men only speak and only form opinions on the negative experiences and veiws of topic which they have no knowledge of? Only to fuel their own weak minds” - R. Hays 1976
I have experience - and have given my opinion.[/quote]
I never said I though YOU had a closed mind, by the way.
Just be aware that just because YOU did not have a good experience with it, doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t. I mean just look how huge this thread is! It just seems like you think it’s completely useless… For everyone.
wow this is getting to be like every opther thread.i miss the days where the vets came in who have had much success and would coach me back when i first started(2 years ago). If the he doesnt want to do the diet fine…its even said it doesnt work for everyone no se in arguing if it works for you it works for you so share for the followers or just forget about the arguers. No big deal just a waste of time arguing when you could be marinating a hefty steak:)
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
No big deal just a waste of time arguing when you could be marinating a hefty steak:)[/quote]
Maybe a better topic would be arguing what cuts of steak are best. Anyone notice cuts of meat going up in the last few weeks? I buy packs of 11-12oz. eye of round steaks from Sam’s Club, and they’ve gone up almost a buck a pound.
Hopefully I can post this here, I don’t know exactly where else…
I was wondering how would you modify this diet for steroids? I mean you’d obviously eat more protein/calories but what about on the carb ups? I mean, of course while on steroids you need 400-500 grams/protein but on the carb up days you’re only supposed to eat so much protein…
[quote]dlannan wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
No big deal just a waste of time arguing when you could be marinating a hefty steak:)
Maybe a better topic would be arguing what cuts of steak are best. Anyone notice cuts of meat going up in the last few weeks? I buy packs of 11-12oz. eye of round steaks from Sam’s Club, and they’ve gone up almost a buck a pound. [/quote]
I just get whatever looks good and is on sale each week. Sirloin never really gets over $9.99/lb and I’ve been getting ground beef for $1.48/lb for the last couple weeks and freezing the extra for when it stops being on sale. Occasionally I’ll pick up a NY strip or a ribeye if those are on special.
I’ve noticed even eggs have gone up in price in the last few months. I think it’s mostly due to rising fuel costs. I buy the box of 5 dozen eggs at Wal-Mart for under $7, so it’s still not too bad.
Just to give a little piece of advice from personal experience - I went buck-wild on my carb-up. To say the least, it was a huge error in judgment. I puked once and felt like utter ass for the better part of Sunday. I will be seriously scaling back my weekends from here on out.
i just buy petite sirloins…theyre the tastiest cheaper side of the meat scale i can find…i did the whole eye of round thing but there wasnt much to bite into
Hey Guys, been at this thread a while and finally have read through it, since starting the thread I have been off and on the AD. I went through the 12 day induction phase at 18 x BW for calories and as the weekend of my first carb load arrived my wife and I had to evacuate due to a friggin hurricane. That really screwed up my food selection and training options. Anyways , I remember reading somewhere in this monster thread about the reasons for starting off at 18 x bw.
I have only been off the AD for about a week and a half and I was preparing to get back on, but was going to start off with the cutting caloric requirements. I remember DH stating towards the start of the thread that the 18x bw was to ensure energy levels during the metabolic shift, other than making the shift less “comfortable” is anyone aware of any negative impact that starting the diet at a lower caloric intake would have?
I got the impression that you really wanna throw a lot of fat at your body to help the metabolic shift along. You obviously wanna keep your minimum g protein constant, and since we’re not eating carbs anyways, the rest of the cuts would hafta come from your fats.
That said I started the break in phase at about 15x my weight and quickly found I felt like shit. I upped it to the recommended 18x for the second half of the induction and felt better, and didn’t notice any adverse fat gains or anything. I say just stick with the program as written, its worked for people before. Then cut once you’re shifted.
But im new to this too, so take that with a grain of salt…
Yeah thanks, thats kind of what I figured. I actually started off a few days ago looking into Berardi’s Get Shredded diet and realized that it was pretty close to the AD only lower calories and longer periods between carb ups. It got me wondering if the lower cals from the start is a mistake or if it would hurt the adaptation phase in any way other than possible lack of energy from restricted cals.
quick update: I made the apple-flax muffins I talked about on Healthy Food Recipes
last night for breakfast today. I was pretty skeptical of what baking with flax would taste like, but let me tell you these things are better than sex. Well… drunk sex maybe.
Anyways, I made em sans apples so I guess theyre just cinnamon spice muffins, but each 1 of 12 has: 160 cal, 14.5g of fat (a decent amount of polyunsat from the flax seeds), 7g of carbs,6.5g of those being fiber, and 7.5 g protein. Healthy fats, high fiber, virtually 0 ECC, moderate protein, and they taste like any regular cinnamon muffin. Seriously, try them.
“I remember DH stating towards the start of the thread that the 18x bw was to ensure energy levels during the metabolic shift, other than making the shift less “comfortable” is anyone aware of any negative impact that starting the diet at a lower caloric intake would have?”
getting a surplus of calories while your body is becoming fat adapted will minimize net protein loss. While your body is making the switch, it will initially be breaking down protein to make glycogen. The surplus of calories (& protein that comes with them) will quickly replace what your body breaks down. Once your body gets the idea that it needs to be using fat as a fuel source, then you can start varying your caloric intake. Err on the side of caution & eat!
im new here and i got to say u have great forum.
i have afew question about the anabolic diet ( i have read the book and some other stuff on the net).
1.should a 17.5 old teen like me do the diet ? i want to gain mass without alot of fat, i have thin build and my weight is 158-160 lbs with 11% bf.
2.Acording to the posts here i should have protein+little fat as apost workout meal but on bb.com they perfer to take p+c so the crabs will help the protein to digest. what is better ? im so confused.
i start the diet yesterday and so far so good not including the headaches…
im sorry for my english…thx ahead.
When I started the diet a month ago I was almost your exact stats- 160, 10% bf, 19 years old. So far its been awesome, kinda tricky to explain to people why I cant eat certain things during the week though. So far all my lifts have been up, and though I havent weighed in a while im feeling bigger and stronger than ever before, while keeping my leanness.
give it a shot man, you wont really know till you try.
[quote]spadesofaces wrote:
When I started the diet a month ago I was almost your exact stats- 160, 10% bf, 19 years old. So far its been awesome, kinda tricky to explain to people why I cant eat certain things during the week though. So far all my lifts have been up, and though I havent weighed in a while im feeling bigger and stronger than ever before, while keeping my leanness.
give it a shot man, you wont really know till you try.[/quote]
thx alot ! ill give it a try.
can u help me with my second question please ?
For PWO I’ve been taking whey mixed with 15-20g glutamine and 5-10g BCAAs. Glutamine, while an amino acid, is readily converted into muscle glycogen meaning come the end of a week of carb depletion you should still have some decent strength left to keep liftin heavy.
PWO we want to spike insulin to get protein to your muscles to facilitate repair and growth. Normally, we would use carbs, but on the AD during the week this is a big no. However, whey and BCAAs have been sown to cause an insulin spike, not to the same degree as a carb meal would, but in this case beggars cant be choosers.
[quote]spadesofaces wrote:
For PWO I’ve been taking whey mixed with 15-20g glutamine and 5-10g BCAAs. Glutamine, while an amino acid, is readily converted into muscle glycogen meaning come the end of a week of carb depletion you should still have some decent strength left to keep liftin heavy.
PWO we want to spike insulin to get protein to your muscles to facilitate repair and growth. Normally, we would use carbs, but on the AD during the week this is a big no. However, whey and BCAAs have been sown to cause an insulin spike, not to the same degree as a carb meal would, but in this case beggars cant be choosers.[/quote]
ok … what about the little fat ? should i add little fat with the whey like heavy cream or something …?
regaring BCAAs, i am short on the moeny and i prefer to spend it on food … are they so necessary ?
I started this diet 2 Mondays ago, so I am past the 12 day no carb, first carb up weekend. I am wondering if anybody has had their cholesterol levels checked out while on this diet? I got mine checked on Day 11 of the first 12 days. My LDL was 177, way high. Everything else was great, including my uric acid levels(4.4).
The doctor told me to get it rechecked at 6 months. I think I will stick with this diet for at least that long and see if my LDL’s go down. I am going to try and reduce the saturated fat intake, hoping I can still get the right amount of fat for the diet. So has anybody else run into this problem?
Anyone notice cuts of meat going up in the last few weeks? I buy packs of 11-12oz. eye of round steaks from Sam’s Club, and they’ve gone up almost a buck a pound.