My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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Hi guys,

I’ve been lurking around here for quite some time trying to catch up to page 357… though I’m only at page 45…

I just wanted to share my experience. I just completed the first 12 days of low carbs (I barely had ANY carbs at all for the last 12 days).

Today (Friday) I was invited for a lunch BBQ at one of my clients and we had a family BBQ this evening so I figured why not start my weekend carb up today at lunch. I ate like a pig… all day… as much carbs as I could find.

I was 180lbs when I started the diet 12 days ago and dropped down to 177lbs (which is what I weighed this morning). I just weighed myself now and I weigh 186lbs which is a gain of 9 pounds! I thought that was incredible. I used the same scale as always with no clothes on as usual. 9 pounds!!!

How much am I going to weigh by Sunday??? I think I might be inclined to limit my carb up to Saturday evening.

My diet during the 12 days consisted mostly of beef, some chicken, cheese, veggies, with some Metameucil morning and night. I don’t believe I experienced any sort of crash though I was extremely tired on Wednesday but was probably due to only having slept 4 hours.

So far this has been the easiest diet ever. Strength and energy levels are way up. Current bodyfat is roughly 15% and goal is to bring it down to 10%. Going to start cycling calories as of Monday.

Chime in if you have any comments. Thanks for all the great posts as it really helped me along!

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[quote]vin_mancini wrote:

I was 180lbs when I started the diet 12 days ago and dropped down to 177lbs (which is what I weighed this morning). I just weighed myself now and I weigh 186lbs which is a gain of 9 pounds! I thought that was incredible. I used the same scale as always with no clothes on as usual. 9 pounds!!!

How much am I going to weigh by Sunday??? I think I might be inclined to limit my carb up to Saturday evening.

My diet during the 12 days consisted mostly of beef, some chicken, cheese, veggies, with some Metameucil morning and night. I don’t believe I experienced any sort of crash though I was extremely tired on Wednesday but was probably due to only having slept 4 hours.

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The weight gain is quite common. Most of it is from water weight that comes along with consuming carbs. Once you get back to the low carb routine, you’ll notice the weight trickle back down.

The severity of the “crash” varies quite a bit too. Personally, I only had one evening around day 8 or 9 where I was pretty tired and ended up going to bed early, getting 11 hours of sleep in the process.

I’m finishing up my 8th week and I’m still loving it. My weight is staying pretty constant, but my waist has trimmed down some (I’m basically content with maintaining at 5’9 180lbs, 10% BF at the moment). The biggest issue for me is simply the discipline part of it. I’ve never really been one to crave foods, but now I will occasionally want to cheat…and I think it’s just a mental thing. People generally don’t like being told what to do all the time :slight_smile:

One more thing, I just had some delicious sam’s choice bacon and cheese angus patties from walmart this week. I think it’s best to stick with less processed stuff (like steak, salmon, etc.), but these are a tasty treat.

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Question for you all…

Has anyone been through the “Mass Phase” and consumed the calories advised by the Doc?

Reason being; been through 7 weeks of 5 off two on and found everything to be exaclty how it should have been and I have no complaints.
The next stage is for me now to go on to a Mass Phase as discripeted by the Doc…im 235lb when im at Friday and feeling light…so if my math is correct and I need 25 Kcal for every pound in wieght - thats a 6250 total because of the 15% I have to take into account, I need to consume a shed load of food!

Has anyone got any examples of how they achevied their mass phase Kcal’s?

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[quote]wings_931 wrote:
Question for you all…

Has anyone been through the “Mass Phase” and consumed the calories advised by the Doc?

Reason being; been through 7 weeks of 5 off two on and found everything to be exaclty how it should have been and I have no complaints.
The next stage is for me now to go on to a Mass Phase as discripeted by the Doc…im 235lb when im at Friday and feeling light…so if my math is correct and I need 25 Kcal for every pound in wieght - thats a 6250 total because of the 15% I have to take into account, I need to consume a shed load of food!

Has anyone got any examples of how they achevied their mass phase Kcal’s?[/quote]

bacon?
Cross rib steak?
EVOO?
Cans of salmon? big ones.

6 meals of 1000 cals each. that’s one cross rib or blade steak with deviled egg topping (hard boiled eggs with real mayo and both hot and sweet paprika and onions/celery) and a spinach and bacon salad with EVOO and a fine balsamic (don’t cheap out on the balsamic).

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
miniarnold wrote:
thanks evil,
i would rather eat a little less protein and more fat like you say approx 1g per lb of weight, going to start again next month as im near the end of my competing season, just have mojor issues with digestion and constipation and i am sure i will struggle again with the AD but i intend to give it another try.
Cheers.

I recommend eating 1kg of lightly steamed broc, green beans or some other fiberous veggie per day. All at once with EVOO and balsamic vinegar at night is great to stimulate a nice morning deuce. Should be more than the Rx’d 20g’s of fiber. If you get 20g’s of fiber you will shit everyday. As you eat more and more your shits will be huge.

-chris[/quote]

Bro you seriously eat 2.2lbs of broc lol

I eat 1 or 2 cups a day and am as regular as can be :slight_smile:

O also have one mixed greens salad each day. I have been doing CKD/AD for 1 weeks and only went 2 days in that time without reading time.

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[quote]SuperHeavyWeight wrote:
Avocado wrote:
miniarnold wrote:
thanks evil,
i would rather eat a little less protein and more fat like you say approx 1g per lb of weight, going to start again next month as im near the end of my competing season, just have mojor issues with digestion and constipation and i am sure i will struggle again with the AD but i intend to give it another try.
Cheers.

I recommend eating 1kg of lightly steamed broc, green beans or some other fiberous veggie per day. All at once with EVOO and balsamic vinegar at night is great to stimulate a nice morning deuce. Should be more than the Rx’d 20g’s of fiber. If you get 20g’s of fiber you will shit everyday. As you eat more and more your shits will be huge.

-chris

Bro you seriously eat 2.2lbs of broc lol

I eat 1 or 2 cups a day and am as regular as can be :slight_smile:

O also have one mixed greens salad each day. I have been doing CKD/AD for 1 weeks and only went 2 days in that time without reading time.[/quote]

Yeah for me it’s not just broc but on most days I try and get in about 10-12 serves of random veggies. Frozen broc is so heavy that It doesnt work out to be the much spacialy.

-chris

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I was on this diet for about 4 months, and in this time I saw my my strength levels drop almost 100 pounds in the box squat, and 75 pounds in the bench. I am a football player so strength is my #1 priority. I started a bulking session, and even increased my calories up to almost 7,000 at one point… I had still lost weight, and my strength was still stalled. I cut for almost a year and a half prior, and I never lost any strength on a diet that consisted of 100-150g of carbs, and the rest fat and protein @2,500 calories… and my lifts did not have such a huge drop off.

I love how I look on the AD, but recently I went back to a carb diet, and boom strength gains began to sky rocket in only 3 weeks, I was back up. My mood was better, and I was able to wake up more alert than ever before.

I’ve tried countless things on the AD. I ate junk food during the weekend carb load, I ate all healthy carbs during the weekend, I ate a mixture of both during the weekens, and I had 75% healthy and 25% junk carb days… Nothing worked. Even the mid week carb up didn’t help my strength gains. I looked 10x better than I had ever looked before, but my strength gains just became too much of a burden to continue the AD.

I know alot of people experience decreases in strength, but I went from a 550lb. box squat, to a 455lb. box squat in 2 months, before I stalled there. I can’t continue a traditional carb bulk, or a carb cycling bulk, because carbs just throw my weight up way too fast. I got off the AD at 216, and in 4 weeks I’m up to 242 @ 4,000 calories… and thats with 3 training sessions a day and a 30/50/20 split. So if anyone can give me some advice on upping my strength levels on this diet I would appreciate it. Is there something on this diet that is holding me back from getting stronger, that I am not realizing?

I have attached my diet, so maybe someone can tell me what the hell I did wrong, because I would really like to start back on the AD, because I was amazed at how my body looked… I just really need the strength gains to go with it. Are my carbs too low, maybe? I do take fish oil, and flax seed, but they aren’t mentioned in the daily menu.

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[quote]fullback7 wrote:
I was on this diet for about 4 months, and in this time I saw my my strength levels drop almost 100 pounds in the box squat, and 75 pounds in the bench. I am a football player so strength is my #1 priority. I started a bulking session, and even increased my calories up to almost 7,000 at one point… I had still lost weight, and my strength was still stalled. I cut for almost a year and a half prior, and I never lost any strength on a diet that consisted of 100-150g of carbs, and the rest fat and protein @2,500 calories… and my lifts did not have such a huge drop off.

I love how I look on the AD, but recently I went back to a carb diet, and boom strength gains began to sky rocket in only 3 weeks, I was back up. My mood was better, and I was able to wake up more alert than ever before.

I’ve tried countless things on the AD. I ate junk food during the weekend carb load, I ate all healthy carbs during the weekend, I ate a mixture of both during the weekens, and I had 75% healthy and 25% junk carb days… Nothing worked. Even the mid week carb up didn’t help my strength gains. I looked 10x better than I had ever looked before, but my strength gains just became too much of a burden to continue the AD.

I know alot of people experience decreases in strength, but I went from a 550lb. box squat, to a 455lb. box squat in 2 months, before I stalled there. I can’t continue a traditional carb bulk, or a carb cycling bulk, because carbs just throw my weight up way too fast. I got off the AD at 216, and in 4 weeks I’m up to 242 @ 4,000 calories… and thats with 3 training sessions a day and a 30/50/20 split. So if anyone can give me some advice on upping my strength levels on this diet I would appreciate it. Is there something on this diet that is holding me back from getting stronger, that I am not realizing?

I have attached my diet, so maybe someone can tell me what the hell I did wrong, because I would really like to start back on the AD, because I was amazed at how my body looked… I just really need the strength gains to go with it. Are my carbs too low, maybe? I do take fish oil, and flax seed, but they aren’t mentioned in the daily menu.

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Dude im glad someone has spoken of this…this is the same reason I am having my doubts and im only 7 weeks in and a sumit point of what to do next…your food plan in retrospect is not that far off from mine including all the same foods but I too have noticed the considerable drop off in strength and it getting worse not better…

Thanks for voicing out - atleast I now know I’m not going crazy!

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
wings_931 wrote:
Question for you all…

Has anyone been through the “Mass Phase” and consumed the calories advised by the Doc?

Reason being; been through 7 weeks of 5 off two on and found everything to be exaclty how it should have been and I have no complaints.
The next stage is for me now to go on to a Mass Phase as discripeted by the Doc…im 235lb when im at Friday and feeling light…so if my math is correct and I need 25 Kcal for every pound in wieght - thats a 6250 total because of the 15% I have to take into account, I need to consume a shed load of food!

Has anyone got any examples of how they achevied their mass phase Kcal’s?

bacon?
Cross rib steak?
EVOO?
Cans of salmon? big ones.

6 meals of 1000 cals each. that’s one cross rib or blade steak with deviled egg topping (hard boiled eggs with real mayo and both hot and sweet paprika and onions/celery) and a spinach and bacon salad with EVOO and a fine balsamic (don’t cheap out on the balsamic).

-chris[/quote]

I knew that would be the answer someone would give!

HA!

Food by Food, Kcal by Kcal, break it down, prove it’s possible in an example plan.

I do not beleive for one minute you have done this kind of food plan and gone through with it at this early stage in our discussion, please dont take offense; its just that I knew someone would come back with a very small list of foods with no real relevance on what content they hold and a proven plan to establish what exactly does work (ie. an exaple of what one would eat on a day to day basis, without getting Gout from the Red Meat needed in the vast quantities)

I’m begining to beleive the AD is not what it supposed to be…with the strength loss and extremety in Kcal surpluss expected which would be; nigh on impossoble to acheive, I am having doubts of any real proof of success.

Please can someone tell me I am wrong and proff does exist and I will hopefully be able to restore some faith in the eating plan and move on.

Or; get off it, and move on.

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[quote]wings_931 wrote:
Avocado wrote:
wings_931 wrote:
Question for you all…

Has anyone been through the “Mass Phase” and consumed the calories advised by the Doc?

Reason being; been through 7 weeks of 5 off two on and found everything to be exaclty how it should have been and I have no complaints.
The next stage is for me now to go on to a Mass Phase as discripeted by the Doc…im 235lb when im at Friday and feeling light…so if my math is correct and I need 25 Kcal for every pound in wieght - thats a 6250 total because of the 15% I have to take into account, I need to consume a shed load of food!

Has anyone got any examples of how they achevied their mass phase Kcal’s?

bacon?
Cross rib steak?
EVOO?
Cans of salmon? big ones.

6 meals of 1000 cals each. that’s one cross rib or blade steak with deviled egg topping (hard boiled eggs with real mayo and both hot and sweet paprika and onions/celery) and a spinach and bacon salad with EVOO and a fine balsamic (don’t cheap out on the balsamic).

-chris

I knew that would be the answer someone would give!

HA!

Food by Food, Kcal by Kcal, break it down, prove it’s possible in an example plan.

I do not beleive for one minute you have done this kind of food plan and gone through with it at this early stage in our discussion, please dont take offense; its just that I knew someone would come back with a very small list of foods with no real relevance on what content they hold and a proven plan to establish what exactly does work (ie. an exaple of what one would eat on a day to day basis, without getting Gout from the Red Meat needed in the vast quantities)

I’m begining to beleive the AD is not what it supposed to be…with the strength loss and extremety in Kcal surpluss expected which would be; nigh on impossoble to acheive, I am having doubts of any real proof of success.

Please can someone tell me I am wrong and proff does exist and I will hopefully be able to restore some faith in the eating plan and move on.

Or; get off it, and move on.[/quote]

If it had the strength gains, then I would love this diet, but I don’t want to bust my ass and have no reward towards it as well.

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well i believe that some people handle carbs a lot better than some others. immediatley on this diet i lost weight and felt a little lowsy every now and then. its going on year 3 and i have no complaints all lifts have gone up and libido somehow got higher…through high school i was dubbed horny bastard/manwhore…but anyways yea in a way i feel like a smart neanderthol lol

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Fullback and Wings…

You guys may just be the type to need carbs, or at least more than the AD is giving you.

Or, you could well be suffering from believing a lack of carbs will make your strength levels plummit! We’re bombarded with that “info” at almost every turn.

You can try a mid-week spike, or take in carbs post training. A while back someone posted an algorythm that Dr. Di had written up…in it one of the options was to allow c. 100carbs peri-workout.

Give this a try and see what effect it has on both your strength and your mindset.

Good luck!

-S. Morris

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Just chiming in to this awesome thread!

I’m just starting, on day 9 of the break in phase. Had a crash on days 5-6 but feel much better now, training is as strong as ever!

Anyways, I’m not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread (im on about page 25 of the whole damn thing) but http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/ has some pretty sick low carb high fiber recipes for stuff like brownies, crackers, pumpkin pie, foccacia style bread. Most of it has like 1-3g of net carbs per serving. I literally just stumbled on the site, but I cant wait to see how some of it tastes. No having to wait till the weekend carb up for some brownies!
But then again flax has the tendency to taste like milled ass… anyone here ever try baking with flax meal?

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Fullback and Wings…

You guys may just be the type to need carbs, or at least more than the AD is giving you.

Or, you could well be suffering from believing a lack of carbs will make your strength levels plummit! We’re bombarded with that “info” at almost every turn.

You can try a mid-week spike, or take in carbs post training. A while back someone posted an algorythm that Dr. Di had written up…in it one of the options was to allow c. 100carbs peri-workout.

Give this a try and see what effect it has on both your strength and your mindset.

Good luck!

-S. Morris

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To be completely honest; I had already started trying this towards the end thinking it would help.

I guess it is the same as the old saying goes - Hourses for courses. I dont think this one is for me.

Plus like I said earlier; I havent seen any REAL proof to explain that this plan has REALLY worked, just constant reports of “im leaner” or “im getting leaner” no mention of strength GAINS or PR’s acheveied through this.

Like I said I have now done the same as Full back and have gone back on to a “normal” plan of eating and having carbs - im back to where I was nearly ish…just disapointed I wasted 7 weeks this year.

Good luck to you all.

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[quote]spadesofaces wrote:

But then again flax has the tendency to taste like milled ass… anyone here ever try baking with flax meal?[/quote]

this made me laugh really hard since its so true and has finally put a name to the taste

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Ive read of a few saying how theyre lifts steadily went up Galon being one of them just a couple pages ago and i know theres more that ive read

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
spadesofaces wrote:

But then again flax has the tendency to taste like milled ass… anyone here ever try baking with flax meal?

this made me laugh really hard since its so true and has finally put a name to the taste[/quote]

Fuck that, I love flax. I eat table spoons of it in between meals.

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[quote]wings_931 wrote:

I havent seen any REAL proof to explain that this plan has REALLY worked, just constant reports of “im leaner” or “im getting leaner” no mention of strength GAINS or PR’s acheveied through this.

Good luck to you all.[/quote]

Do you know NOTHING of Dr D.'s powerlifting career?

From an article on T-Nation;

“What many bodybuilders may not know is that Mauro is also a world class championship powerlifter. He was the world champion in 1976 and again at the World Games in 1981. In his native land of Canada, he has dominated the competition for over 20 years, winning the overall championship eight times, the Pan American championship twice, and the North American Powerlifting championship twice. He is also the only Canadian to total ten times his bodyweight in two separate weight classes!”

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[quote]derek wrote:
wings_931 wrote:

I havent seen any REAL proof to explain that this plan has REALLY worked, just constant reports of “im leaner” or “im getting leaner” no mention of strength GAINS or PR’s acheveied through this.

Good luck to you all.

Do you know NOTHING of Dr D.'s powerlifting career?

From an article on T-Nation;

"What many bodybuilders may not know is that Mauro is also a world class championship powerlifter. He was the world champion in 1976 and again at the World Games in 1981.

In his native land of Canada, he has dominated the competition for over 20 years, winning the overall championship eight times, the Pan American championship twice, and the North American Powerlifting championship twice. He is also the only Canadian to total ten times his bodyweight in two separate weight classes!"
[/quote]

Of course I have - he proclaims it in his own book to sell it!

Any other REAL proof? like anyone BUT the Doctor himself? I mean wouldn’t it be obvious that if the diet has been around that long and it works that well; everyone would be on it including Mr O? and every other Body Builder, and Strength Athlete out there?!

Truth is they are not. and its for a reason - it doesnt get them the goals they are trying to acheive.

Anyway - im done with this thread.

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[quote]wings_931 wrote:
Any other REAL proof? like anyone BUT the Doctor himself? I mean wouldn’t it be obvious that if the diet has been around that long and it works that well; everyone would be on it including Mr O? and every other Body Builder, and Strength Athlete out there?!

Truth is they are not. and its for a reason - it doesnt get them the goals they are trying to acheive.

Anyway - im done with this thread.[/quote]

Can I help it if they don’t have an open mind?

And who cares who does it and who doesn’t? If you can’t do it, don’t, I guess.

Lack of famous strength athletes backing it is no reason to draw conclusions that it doesn’t work.