My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm ive been on this diet for just over a year now and im having gas do you other vets get gassy on carb ups too or only certain foods? if its just something to deal with then i wont take stuff out of my carb ups cuz i love my beans with rice lol…

I drop some BOMBS on carb ups. Real nasty stuff.

I usually have oats, uncle ben’s brown rice, sweet potato, cheerios, etc.

Gas occurs generally 4 hours into a carbup.

Ditto for me, the stink bombs fly all over the place, to the wife’s dismay…lol…

              Hey, this is to AD vets...

Ok, I f’ed up, and have gone over the CHO limit several times in the last week and a half…I need to start over strict again…
so, if I start tomorrow, back to “regulations”, how long before I should carb up again?
Do you think I should go till next weekend, or go for extra days again?

           And I'm only going to carb up twice a week, VERY CLEANLY, but once on Wednesday, and once on Saturday..
               
              I'll let you all know how that goes, but what about my redepletion scenario?  I'm down for whatever "punishment time" is necessary....lol..

            Let me have your opinions guys/vets..

                thank you for your patronage...
                     ToneBone[/quote]

I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:

Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).

at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.

Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.

And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?

AD

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ya know this thread is no longer a thread. I don’t know what to call it. An association maybe? Stick with me here. There hasn’t been a new question asked in at least a year or a few thousand posts. Which means every single thing practically fathomable has been discussed somewhere here since Mdragon started this thread long before I was around.

The sheer galactic size of it makes it no longer workable to tell new guys to “just read the thread” though the first 50 pages or so are a must. Where most threads run their course and people refer back to them, this one just keeps rolling. It’s almost like it’s own site. I don’t mean this as a negative, just as an observation.

What would be unthinkably kickass is if threads were searchable individually. The same stuff comes up over and over (like gas fer instance), but it’s just not reasonable to expect people to take a stab at trying to find anything specific in this leviathan of a thread anymore. Again, not a negative, but just the reality of the situation. If folks could search just this thread they could find quicker answers, bu then the camaraderie wouldn’t be the same. Don’t mind me, I’m gittin ready for shoulders, chest and tris and jist thinkin out loud a bit.[/quote]

Tell me about it, bro.

I was wishing we could “sticky” a summary of the FAQ’s on the top of every page so that we wouldn’t have to repeat it. :wink:

AD

6524

[quote]ThaYoun1 wrote:
I’ve read that thread about the Anabolic Diet and I was curious about it. During the period which my body is adjusting, would I see any results as in losing body fat as I’m on this diet?

I feel uneasy about eating as the Anabolic diet suggests, for weeks until my body adjusts to burning fat for fuel. Like…am i going to gain weight for a couple weeks and then lose it once the body adjusts? Seems just as counterproductive as the “mainstream” way. I’m not bashing the diet, i’m just a lil curious about how healthy it is for the body.

I’m nervous about all the fat in the diet because 3 months ago b4 i started at the gym and changing my diet the doctor told me I had high cholesterol. (BTW Is there a way to test it without going to the doctor?) Thinking about trying this diet makes me very nervous, as it looks like there’s a risk of heart disease in the long run and the high fat foods also contain much sodium.

My goals are to build cuts and mass but to trim fat enough for my abs to show. Right now i have a gut, chubby cheeks and love handles, maybe about 20-30 pounds or so away from my ideal weight (Right now I weigh about 180 and I am 5’6)

I’d really appreciate any help with this guys. Thanks alot[/quote]

Did you read the book? It answers a few of your questions/concerns about fat intake.

AD

6525

So I’ve finished up my first week on the AD, one more week and this Sat will be the first carb up. Little nervous but excited as well. Can’t wait to eat some carrot cake. First 3 days energy was down, but now I am totally converted.

I am 132 but had to up the calories to a little over 3000 because trying to get to at least 160 and have overactive thyroid. My pumps are getting better and lifting in the morning is no longer a problem. Dropped cardio and using jump rope instead.

I def love this diet and love not eating salads and having the shits all the time. And it feels good to be filled up after a meal. I plan on incorporating some CEE this Wednesday, so that should also help with the ingestion of fat and protein. Just wanted to say AD is the shiznit, and veins are starting to show.

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Hmm, I won’t be having access to the gym until beg. of September, maybe perhaps a few times at my friends house but nothing big. Do you think muscle loss will be significant even if i up the protein a little bit, continue the mantainence 5g creatine per day, and take BCAA’s ? I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?

6527

Quick training question. I usually hit the gym and do some cardio first thing in the morning in a fasted state. Is this something I should not do on the AD?

6528

[quote]nycsoccax wrote:
Hmm, I won’t be having access to the gym until beg. of September, maybe perhaps a few times at my friends house but nothing big. Do you think muscle loss will be significant even if i up the protein a little bit, continue the mantainence 5g creatine per day, and take BCAA’s ? I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?[/quote]

Got to a home store (rona, home depot etc) and get a bag of sand. Leave it in the bag. Hug it and do squats. Do chinups at the play ground. There are more creative ways to train than pushups.

-chris

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm ive been on this diet for just over a year now and im having gas do you other vets get gassy on carb ups too or only certain foods? if its just something to deal with then i wont take stuff out of my carb ups cuz i love my beans with rice lol…

I drop some BOMBS on carb ups. Real nasty stuff.

I usually have oats, uncle ben’s brown rice, sweet potato, cheerios, etc.

Gas occurs generally 4 hours into a carbup.

Ditto for me, the stink bombs fly all over the place, to the wife’s dismay…lol…

              Hey, this is to AD vets...

Ok, I f’ed up, and have gone over the CHO limit several times in the last week and a half…I need to start over strict again…
so, if I start tomorrow, back to “regulations”, how long before I should carb up again?
Do you think I should go till next weekend, or go for extra days again?

           And I'm only going to carb up twice a week, VERY CLEANLY, but once on Wednesday, and once on Saturday..
               
              I'll let you all know how that goes, but what about my redepletion scenario?  I'm down for whatever "punishment time" is necessary....lol..

            Let me have your opinions guys/vets..

                thank you for your patronage...
                     ToneBone

I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:

Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).

at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.

Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.

And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?

AD[/quote]

HI AD, thanks for responding, agreed then, that’s fine, I’ll go back to the standard procedure…on the CHO, shit I don’t even know numbers, just got carried away with it,…I’ll just do the twelve days over, hell it can’t hurt anything, better safe than sorry…I can handle it…

            I let us down, and I won't let it happen again...I had some elements that worked against my willpower so to speak...w/out getting to detailed on that note..

            Thanks Alpha, you remotivated me, and set me straight again..no messin around with it, I have restocked all kinds of goodies for the diet at costco yesterday, and am back on track...I emailed Disc Hoss to let him know and see what he thinks, but I think I'll just do the 12 days over........

         What thinkest thou?

            peace bro, 
                   ToneBone
6530

[quote]nycsoccax wrote:
I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?[/quote]

Something I do when I don’t have access to a gym is pushups to failure. Do as many pushups as you can in one set until you physically can’t do any more. Rest 3 minutes and do it again. See how many pushups you can get in 4-5 sets. Each time shoot to get more pushups.

I would also try to find something that can substitue for a pull up bar and do a pull up workout as well as situps if you are going to have no access to the gym.

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[quote]Clark Banner wrote:
Quick training question. I usually hit the gym and do some cardio first thing in the morning in a fasted state. Is this something I should not do on the AD?[/quote]

Personally, that is the best time to hit the gym. And not that I do everything exactly by the book, he does mention working out on an empty stomach is best.

6532

yet another question, this time in regards to calorie intake affecting my progress in the transitional phase.

when i started carb cutting about week ago for the anabolic diet i was still taking in a lot more calories than should have from eating excess protein and fat. i weigh 170lbs and today ive gotten it down to about 240grams of protein (which fits into the 1-1.5 grams per lb ratio) ive also lowered my calorie intake yesterday and today down to 2800-3100.

i mean ive already felt some of the side effects of the metabolism shift (the unfortunate diarhea) so that should mean everything is going correctly. oh, and just so it’s known i did manage to stay below 30 carbs the entire time…which is whats important anyway, right?

i really just want to make sure everything is in order for my up coming first carb up which is this weekend. id really hate to have to wait another week, im dying to have a bannana nut muffin with a nice glass of milk and cant forget the pizza.

6533

I just fell off the V-diet (no major carb binge, just ate half a tub of almonds, macadamias, and cashews last night) after struggling to find a comfortable balance of nutrients, particularly electrolytes. Sleep problems was the major obstacle but I will not belabour it here.

So, starting the Anabolic Diet. I bought the Anabolic Diet for Powerlifters e-book earlier but have not downloaded it yet. It sounds like it would suit me well as I have had much success in the past with low/no carbs.

Today’s menu, the first day in essence:

Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
Meal 2 - 1 large imported salami
Meal 3 - chef salad with extra bacon bits and goat cheese
Meal 4 - grilled lamb shoulder chops with grilled shitake mushrooms and onions drizzled in herbed olive oil
Meal 5 - 2 scoops ON protein shake with 1 tablespoon peanut butter and 1 scoop flax seed meal

Sound like a good start?

6534

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
<<< I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:

Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).

at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.

Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.

And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?

AD[/quote]

I don’t have to tell AlphaDragon how much I agree with this. At least several months. This is not like other diets and in fact diet isn’t even a good word. It’s a complete reprogramming of your metabolism.

6535

[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I just fell off the V-diet (no major carb binge, just ate half a tub of almonds, macadamias, and cashews last night) after struggling to find a comfortable balance of nutrients, particularly electrolytes. Sleep problems was the major obstacle but I will not belabour it here.

So, starting the Anabolic Diet. I bought the Anabolic Diet for Powerlifters e-book earlier but have not downloaded it yet. It sounds like it would suit me well as I have had much success in the past with low/no carbs.

Today’s menu, the first day in essence:

Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
Meal 2 - 1 large imported salami
Meal 3 - chef salad with extra bacon bits and goat cheese
Meal 4 - grilled lamb shoulder chops with grilled shitake mushrooms and onions drizzled in herbed olive oil
Meal 5 - 2 scoops ON protein shake with 1 tablespoon peanut butter and 1 scoop flax seed meal

Sound like a good start?[/quote]

that sounds so much better tahn what ive been eating, it almost feels like were not on the same diet

6536

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yet another question, this time in regards to calorie intake affecting my progress in the transitional phase.

when i started carb cutting about week ago for the anabolic diet i was still taking in a lot more calories than should have from eating excess protein and fat. i weigh 170lbs and today ive gotten it down to about 240grams of protein (which fits into the 1-1.5 grams per lb ratio) ive also lowered my calorie intake yesterday and today down to 2800-3100.

i mean ive already felt some of the side effects of the metabolism shift (the unfortunate diarhea) so that should mean everything is going correctly. oh, and just so it’s known i did manage to stay below 30 carbs the entire time…which is whats important anyway, right?

i really just want to make sure everything is in order for my up coming first carb up which is this weekend. id really hate to have to wait another week, im dying to have a bannana nut muffin with a nice glass of milk and cant forget the pizza.[/quote]

Doc D recommended in the book that we do maintence level calories during the transition/adaptaton phase.

AD

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[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I just fell off the V-diet (no major carb binge, just ate half a tub of almonds, macadamias, and cashews last night) after struggling to find a comfortable balance of nutrients, particularly electrolytes. Sleep problems was the major obstacle but I will not belabour it here.

So, starting the Anabolic Diet. I bought the Anabolic Diet for Powerlifters e-book earlier but have not downloaded it yet. It sounds like it would suit me well as I have had much success in the past with low/no carbs.

Today’s menu, the first day in essence:

Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
Meal 2 - 1 large imported salami
Meal 3 - chef salad with extra bacon bits and goat cheese
Meal 4 - grilled lamb shoulder chops with grilled shitake mushrooms and onions drizzled in herbed olive oil
Meal 5 - 2 scoops ON protein shake with 1 tablespoon peanut butter and 1 scoop flax seed meal

Sound like a good start?[/quote]

I’m not too familiar with the V-diet as I’ve not read it indepth, but my first question is how many calories is this day more/less than when you were on the V-diet?

You may want to transition to a drastic change in caloric intake slowly.

AD

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
Hmm, I won’t be having access to the gym until beg. of September, maybe perhaps a few times at my friends house but nothing big. Do you think muscle loss will be significant even if i up the protein a little bit, continue the mantainence 5g creatine per day, and take BCAA’s ? I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?

Got to a home store (rona, home depot etc) and get a bag of sand. Leave it in the bag. Hug it and do squats. Do chinups at the play ground. There are more creative ways to train than pushups.

-chris[/quote]

You can also do dips using the backs of 2 chairs…and chinups on just about anything outdoors.

Sprinting is great for leg development if you really push it.

Heck, even isometric holds may help.

200 pushups is not enough.

AD

6539

a can of pumpkin is 13 carbs…mix with some nuts…good for before bed to get me sleepy?

6540

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm ive been on this diet for just over a year now and im having gas do you other vets get gassy on carb ups too or only certain foods? if its just something to deal with then i wont take stuff out of my carb ups cuz i love my beans with rice lol…

I drop some BOMBS on carb ups. Real nasty stuff.

I usually have oats, uncle ben’s brown rice, sweet potato, cheerios, etc.

Gas occurs generally 4 hours into a carbup.

Ditto for me, the stink bombs fly all over the place, to the wife’s dismay…lol…

              Hey, this is to AD vets...

Ok, I f’ed up, and have gone over the CHO limit several times in the last week and a half…I need to start over strict again…
so, if I start tomorrow, back to “regulations”, how long before I should carb up again?
Do you think I should go till next weekend, or go for extra days again?

           And I'm only going to carb up twice a week, VERY CLEANLY, but once on Wednesday, and once on Saturday..
               
              I'll let you all know how that goes, but what about my redepletion scenario?  I'm down for whatever "punishment time" is necessary....lol..

            Let me have your opinions guys/vets..

                thank you for your patronage...
                     ToneBone

I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:

Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).

at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.

Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.

And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?

AD

HI AD, thanks for responding, agreed then, that’s fine, I’ll go back to the standard procedure…on the CHO, shit I don’t even know numbers, just got carried away with it,…I’ll just do the twelve days over, hell it can’t hurt anything, better safe than sorry…I can handle it…

            I let us down, and I won't let it happen again...I had some elements that worked against my willpower so to speak...w/out getting to detailed on that note..

            Thanks Alpha, you remotivated me, and set me straight again..no messin around with it, I have restocked all kinds of goodies for the diet at costco yesterday, and am back on track...I emailed Disc Hoss to let him know and see what he thinks, but I think I'll just do the 12 days over........

         What thinkest thou?

            peace bro, 
                   ToneBone[/quote]

Doing the 12 days over is the best thing you can do as we’re not sure of what happened exactly

Glad you will stick to the 36-48 day protocol (straight time, not divided into different days, with days of low CHO inbetween. Make sure it’s 36-48 STRAIGHT hours).

Oh, and I saw your post on the new article discussion thread w/Dr. Clay. Honestly, everything will work if you stick with it, and if you change now you’ll have just wasted your time and effort.

Stick with the AD for a 5-6 months, tweak, wait a few months, assess, then if you feel it is necessary THEN you can change.

just like training…don’t jump from one method to another to another without giving sufficient time for the initial one to work.

Just my .02. And glad my other post helped you

AD

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
<<< I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:

Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).

at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.

Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.

And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?

AD

I don’t have to tell AlphaDragon how much I agree with this. At least several months. This is not like other diets and in fact diet isn’t even a good word. It’s a complete reprogramming of your metabolism.[/quote]

For the record, Tirib stated it many times before me (and directly to me). I’m just parroting his words that helped work wonders for/in me.

AD