[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
a can of pumpkin is 13 carbs…mix with some nuts…good for before bed to get me sleepy?[/quote]
Nuts have fat in them, maybe will rev you up some, but the pumpkin will work.
HOw about the pumpkin with a PRO shake?
Just a thought.
AD
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm ive been on this diet for just over a year now and im having gas do you other vets get gassy on carb ups too or only certain foods? if its just something to deal with then i wont take stuff out of my carb ups cuz i love my beans with rice lol…
I drop some BOMBS on carb ups. Real nasty stuff.
I usually have oats, uncle ben’s brown rice, sweet potato, cheerios, etc.
Gas occurs generally 4 hours into a carbup.
Ditto for me, the stink bombs fly all over the place, to the wife’s dismay…lol…
Hey, this is to AD vets...
Ok, I f’ed up, and have gone over the CHO limit several times in the last week and a half…I need to start over strict again…
so, if I start tomorrow, back to “regulations”, how long before I should carb up again?
Do you think I should go till next weekend, or go for extra days again?
And I'm only going to carb up twice a week, VERY CLEANLY, but once on Wednesday, and once on Saturday..
I'll let you all know how that goes, but what about my redepletion scenario? I'm down for whatever "punishment time" is necessary....lol..
Let me have your opinions guys/vets..
thank you for your patronage...
ToneBone
I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:
Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).
at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.
Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.
And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?
AD
HI AD, thanks for responding, agreed then, that’s fine, I’ll go back to the standard procedure…on the CHO, shit I don’t even know numbers, just got carried away with it,…I’ll just do the twelve days over, hell it can’t hurt anything, better safe than sorry…I can handle it…
I let us down, and I won't let it happen again...I had some elements that worked against my willpower so to speak...w/out getting to detailed on that note..
Thanks Alpha, you remotivated me, and set me straight again..no messin around with it, I have restocked all kinds of goodies for the diet at costco yesterday, and am back on track...I emailed Disc Hoss to let him know and see what he thinks, but I think I'll just do the 12 days over........
What thinkest thou?
peace bro,
ToneBone
Doing the 12 days over is the best thing you can do as we’re not sure of what happened exactly
Glad you will stick to the 36-48 day protocol (straight time, not divided into different days, with days of low CHO inbetween. Make sure it’s 36-48 STRAIGHT hours).
Oh, and I saw your post on the new article discussion thread w/Dr. Clay. Honestly, everything will work if you stick with it, and if you change now you’ll have just wasted your time and effort.
Stick with the AD for a 5-6 months, tweak, wait a few months, assess, then if you feel it is necessary THEN you can change.
just like training…don’t jump from one method to another to another without giving sufficient time for the initial one to work.
Just my .02. And glad my other post helped you
AD[/quote]
Bro, I’m not crazy, I just asked about his diet cause I’m always curious about everyones experiences in the diet game,…don’t think that I’m out to abandon the best eating style going…I just slipped, and stumbled, and I’m back.
Hey it's not what you were thinking ok Alpha??
I get around the site bro, but make no mistake, I know this diet kicks ass, I was cutting and did a complete turn to bulking for two weeks...and during that time I overdid the carbs...shit happens...I'm fine now, and back on track with maintenance/slight drop...till I'm adapted again...
I would never leave this killer thread dude..lol..but thanks for your opinion..
I'm good and keepin it real..
TB
I’m really curious to hear what type of lift routines you guys do.
Especially from the AD vets who have tweaked their lifting to better mix with the AD.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Moon Knight wrote:
I just fell off the V-diet (no major carb binge, just ate half a tub of almonds, macadamias, and cashews last night) after struggling to find a comfortable balance of nutrients, particularly electrolytes. Sleep problems was the major obstacle but I will not belabour it here.
So, starting the Anabolic Diet. I bought the Anabolic Diet for Powerlifters e-book earlier but have not downloaded it yet. It sounds like it would suit me well as I have had much success in the past with low/no carbs.
Today’s menu, the first day in essence:
Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
Meal 2 - 1 large imported salami
Meal 3 - chef salad with extra bacon bits and goat cheese
Meal 4 - grilled lamb shoulder chops with grilled shitake mushrooms and onions drizzled in herbed olive oil
Meal 5 - 2 scoops ON protein shake with 1 tablespoon peanut butter and 1 scoop flax seed meal
Sound like a good start?
I’m not too familiar with the V-diet as I’ve not read it indepth, but my first question is how many calories is this day more/less than when you were on the V-diet?
You may want to transition to a drastic change in caloric intake slowly.
AD[/quote]
You are right that I almost certainly packed in more calories here than on the V-diet. I have a fairly active job though and suspect that part of my issue this time with the V-diet, unlike past times, was the added calorie burning.
I probably will dial the calories down (without counting) the next couple days and then back up again as I start feeling hungrier and get a feeling for how many I need to maintain. The extra calorie spike definately made me feel better though.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm ive been on this diet for just over a year now and im having gas do you other vets get gassy on carb ups too or only certain foods? if its just something to deal with then i wont take stuff out of my carb ups cuz i love my beans with rice lol…
I drop some BOMBS on carb ups. Real nasty stuff.
I usually have oats, uncle ben’s brown rice, sweet potato, cheerios, etc.
Gas occurs generally 4 hours into a carbup.
Ditto for me, the stink bombs fly all over the place, to the wife’s dismay…lol…
Hey, this is to AD vets...
Ok, I f’ed up, and have gone over the CHO limit several times in the last week and a half…I need to start over strict again…
so, if I start tomorrow, back to “regulations”, how long before I should carb up again?
Do you think I should go till next weekend, or go for extra days again?
And I'm only going to carb up twice a week, VERY CLEANLY, but once on Wednesday, and once on Saturday..
I'll let you all know how that goes, but what about my redepletion scenario? I'm down for whatever "punishment time" is necessary....lol..
Let me have your opinions guys/vets..
thank you for your patronage...
ToneBone
I’ve said it b4 and I’ll say it again:
Don’t mess with changing/individualizing the AD until 6 months in (and that means don’t change the carb up schedule too).
at 5-6 months, your body is totally fat adapted and then you can play with it;.
Again, I URGE you to reconsider this unless/until you’ve been on it for 5-6 months.
And, how much CHO were you over during the time you mention?
AD
HI AD, thanks for responding, agreed then, that’s fine, I’ll go back to the standard procedure…on the CHO, shit I don’t even know numbers, just got carried away with it,…I’ll just do the twelve days over, hell it can’t hurt anything, better safe than sorry…I can handle it…
I let us down, and I won't let it happen again...I had some elements that worked against my willpower so to speak...w/out getting to detailed on that note..
Thanks Alpha, you remotivated me, and set me straight again..no messin around with it, I have restocked all kinds of goodies for the diet at costco yesterday, and am back on track...I emailed Disc Hoss to let him know and see what he thinks, but I think I'll just do the 12 days over........
What thinkest thou?
peace bro,
ToneBone
Doing the 12 days over is the best thing you can do as we’re not sure of what happened exactly
Glad you will stick to the 36-48 day protocol (straight time, not divided into different days, with days of low CHO inbetween. Make sure it’s 36-48 STRAIGHT hours).
Oh, and I saw your post on the new article discussion thread w/Dr. Clay. Honestly, everything will work if you stick with it, and if you change now you’ll have just wasted your time and effort.
Stick with the AD for a 5-6 months, tweak, wait a few months, assess, then if you feel it is necessary THEN you can change.
just like training…don’t jump from one method to another to another without giving sufficient time for the initial one to work.
Just my .02. And glad my other post helped you
AD
Bro, I’m not crazy, I just asked about his diet cause I’m always curious about everyones experiences in the diet game,…don’t think that I’m out to abandon the best eating style going…I just slipped, and stumbled, and I’m back.
Hey it's not what you were thinking ok Alpha??
I get around the site bro, but make no mistake, I know this diet kicks ass, I was cutting and did a complete turn to bulking for two weeks...and during that time I overdid the carbs...shit happens...I'm fine now, and back on track with maintenance/slight drop...till I'm adapted again...
I would never leave this killer thread dude..lol..but thanks for your opinion..
I'm good and keepin it real..
TB
[/quote]
I meant no offense, dude.
I’ve heard too many people say “The AD doesn’t work for me…i tried it and it failed me…” Etc, but they didn’t do it correctly or jumped off the wagon too early (often it’s both of these things).
I was only making sure to encourage you to continue…that’s all, man.
And obviously i read the article too, huh? 
AD
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Moon Knight wrote:
I just fell off the V-diet (no major carb binge, just ate half a tub of almonds, macadamias, and cashews last night) after struggling to find a comfortable balance of nutrients, particularly electrolytes. Sleep problems was the major obstacle but I will not belabour it here.
So, starting the Anabolic Diet. I bought the Anabolic Diet for Powerlifters e-book earlier but have not downloaded it yet. It sounds like it would suit me well as I have had much success in the past with low/no carbs.
Today’s menu, the first day in essence:
Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
Meal 2 - 1 large imported salami
Meal 3 - chef salad with extra bacon bits and goat cheese
Meal 4 - grilled lamb shoulder chops with grilled shitake mushrooms and onions drizzled in herbed olive oil
Meal 5 - 2 scoops ON protein shake with 1 tablespoon peanut butter and 1 scoop flax seed meal
Sound like a good start?
I’m not too familiar with the V-diet as I’ve not read it indepth, but my first question is how many calories is this day more/less than when you were on the V-diet?
You may want to transition to a drastic change in caloric intake slowly.
AD
You are right that I almost certainly packed in more calories here than on the V-diet. I have a fairly active job though and suspect that part of my issue this time with the V-diet, unlike past times, was the added calorie burning.
I probably will dial the calories down (without counting) the next couple days and then back up again as I start feeling hungrier and get a feeling for how many I need to maintain. The extra calorie spike definately made me feel better though.[/quote]
I understand your situation, but again, I urge you to increase cals slowly or it may get stored as bodyfat.
And this post is not meant in any way to be condescending.
AD
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Avocado wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
Hmm, I won’t be having access to the gym until beg. of September, maybe perhaps a few times at my friends house but nothing big. Do you think muscle loss will be significant even if i up the protein a little bit, continue the mantainence 5g creatine per day, and take BCAA’s ? I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?
Got to a home store (rona, home depot etc) and get a bag of sand. Leave it in the bag. Hug it and do squats. Do chinups at the play ground. There are more creative ways to train than pushups.
-chris
You can also do dips using the backs of 2 chairs…and chinups on just about anything outdoors.
Sprinting is great for leg development if you really push it.
Heck, even isometric holds may help.
200 pushups is not enough.
AD[/quote]
Well i actually did about 200 pushups, a couple sets of dips and some abs. I don’t really want to grow, especially my legs, but I did do some light running. Speaking of legs, someone seriously needs to get rid of that powerful image of those bloated legs, it scares me and i always scroll past it really quick.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
I’m really curious to hear what type of lift routines you guys do.
Especially from the AD vets who have tweaked their lifting to better mix with the AD.[/quote]
Personally, I’ve done it all dude.
When I was bulking, I did bodypart splits (CT’s HSS-100), and it did a great job.
When i was on a diet, I did either TBT or splits…a few weeks of one then a few weeks of another.
Now that I’m pretty good, I’m using CW’s SFM to regain strength (my primary goal of training is strength with any size gains coming directly from the strength gains), and then on 2 days/week using CW’s program where you pick 3 parts and do a set of 40-50 then rest 10 sec then do as many as possible, rest 10 sec. Repeat until you reach 100 reps.
MAN, that stuff pumps you up during a CHO up.
Next (in 2 weeks), I’ll go to either Poliquins Advanced GVT or to HSS-100 Chest specialization (my chest kinda sucks…
). And I’m also considering attempting a modified Westside template.
Sky’s the limit dude…just train hard and smart.
Honestly, the biggest thing I can say is to make sure to train SOMETHING/SOMEHOW during the CHO-up.
I know my training is probably not what you had in mind when you asked the question, but that’s what I do.
AD
hey i take this for fiber and it says the only active ingredient is Methylcellulose, so i shouldnt have to worry about that containing carbs right?
I’ve been doing the AD for a while. I read the whole thread way back when it only had about a hundred pages, and I check it from time to time. I’ve got a question about the AD and high caloric intake.
I currently eat about 6000 calories per day to maintain. I’m thinking of increasing the calories to 7000-7500 calories, and eventually 8000 if it comes to that (It’s hard to me to put on weight, stupidly fast metabolism). This would be almost 600g of fat and protein each.
I’m wondering if anyone has had problems digesting this much fat (or any amount of fat if it’s a lot for you). Even now at about 460g of fat and protein (6000 calories) is seems that sometimes it takes a while for the food to clear my stomach, keeping me feeling full all day.
While this is expected from high-volume/calorie diets, fat does digest slower than carbohydrate. I’m wondering if anyone else has similar feelings. Thanks.
Another question I have is at what point is the AD infeasible due to increasing carbohydrate intake? My sources of carbs include natural peanut butter, greens superfood, protein powder ("less than 1g/serving, but I have 4-7 scoops per day depending on my meal selection), cheese, eggs, certain sausages, and veggies (usually frozen broccoli).
While most of these don’t have many carbs it does add up.
I keep my carbs between 3-4%, which is 45-60g for 6000 calories. While the percentage is low, the absolute number is twice as high as recommended.
I know people have said once adapted they’ve gone up to 50-100g/day and still felt great, and at most eating this many carbs would delay fat adaptation (which I don’t have to worry about now). I’m just asking for thought and opinions from the people on this thread.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
Hmm, I won’t be having access to the gym until beg. of September, maybe perhaps a few times at my friends house but nothing big. Do you think muscle loss will be significant even if i up the protein a little bit, continue the mantainence 5g creatine per day, and take BCAA’s ? I’m gonna try to do roughly 200 pushups a day, will that be enough?
Got to a home store (rona, home depot etc) and get a bag of sand. Leave it in the bag. Hug it and do squats. Do chinups at the play ground. There are more creative ways to train than pushups.
-chris[/quote]
That is a great suggestion. If one bag of sand isn’t heavy enough, try what I did. Get a couple of bags of sand and some heavy weight contractor grade garbage bags. Empty the sand into one of the bags and pack it as loose or tightly as you want, then wrap the bag around it and tape it good. I put this inside of the 2nd back for extra strength and use this for squats, deadlifts and carries like you would with stones.
I also have an old duffel bag I put this in and was going to use it for some other lifts but the duffel started falling apart at the seams.
You can throw the sand bag on your shoulder and walk up and down the street. You get a good workout and the neighbors think you’re nuts!
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I’m really curious to hear what type of lift routines you guys do.
Especially from the AD vets who have tweaked their lifting to better mix with the AD.
Personally, I’ve done it all dude.
When I was bulking, I did bodypart splits (CT’s HSS-100), and it did a great job.
When i was on a diet, I did either TBT or splits…a few weeks of one then a few weeks of another.
Now that I’m pretty good, I’m using CW’s SFM to regain strength (my primary goal of training is strength with any size gains coming directly from the strength gains), and then on 2 days/week using CW’s program where you pick 3 parts and do a set of 40-50 then rest 10 sec then do as many as possible, rest 10 sec. Repeat until you reach 100 reps.
MAN, that stuff pumps you up during a CHO up.
Next (in 2 weeks), I’ll go to either Poliquins Advanced GVT or to HSS-100 Chest specialization (my chest kinda sucks… ). And I’m also considering attempting a modified Westside template.
Sky’s the limit dude…just train hard and smart.
Honestly, the biggest thing I can say is to make sure to train SOMETHING/SOMEHOW during the CHO-up.
I know my training is probably not what you had in mind when you asked the question, but that’s what I do.
AD
[/quote]
HSS 100 looks interesting, but with a 100 reps on each workout day wouldn’t it completely demolish any and all glycogen considering it is the AD?
I’m looking at the 4 day split “The shut up program”.
I just need something. For the past month or so I’ve just been winging it lol, and I need to get back to a program.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Another question I have is at what point is the AD infeasible due to increasing carbohydrate intake? My sources of carbs include natural peanut butter, greens superfood, protein powder ("less than 1g/serving, but I have 4-7 scoops per day depending on my meal selection), cheese, eggs, certain sausages, and veggies (usually frozen broccoli).
While most of these don’t have many carbs it does add up.
I keep my carbs between 3-4%, which is 45-60g for 6000 calories. While the percentage is low, the absolute number is twice as high as recommended.
I know people have said once adapted they’ve gone up to 50-100g/day and still felt great, and at most eating this many carbs would delay fat adaptation (which I don’t have to worry about now). I’m just asking for thought and opinions from the people on this thread.[/quote]
I don’t think you have to worry about those 60g of carbs with a 6000+ cal diet. (Wow how do you eat that much?) Your body will still have plenty of fat to burn threw your diet, so in your case I believe the ratios are more important.
Just sharing my experience on the AD:
After 16 days, everything is going well. My strength is up, and after my first carb up, I’ve had my best pumps since returning to bb about 4 months ago.
I’ve also added 1/2 inch to my upper arms in the past 3 weeks, as well as, comparable gains everywhere else (1" on thighs, etc.). Not that I attribute the size gains to the AD alone (I don’t), but just sharing my experience, since it does show that it is Anabolic.
I also found that I didn’t plan my carb-up very well, and didn’t eat nearly as much as I thought I could, although, overall, I ended up eating too much, i.e., I ended up force feeding myself to get in more carbs.
From now on, I plan on cutting down on the number of meals during carb-ups, but still taking 2 days to consume them.
I also lost 1/4" off of my largest skinfold (3/4" down to 1/2" during the 12 day), however, I’m much “softer.” I’m assuming this is due to the much higher amount of sodium I’ve been consuming on the AD.
Lastly, I’ve found the high Fat, high Protein, low CHO diet much easier this time around, i.e., easier than the 12 day break in.
-james
so ive got my first carb up coming this weekend and i want to make sure im going to be ready for it. ive been doing my best to keep my carbs below, or not too far above 30, i think a couple days i may have slipped to 34 or so.
so anyway is there any way to know for sure if my body ahs made the switch? ive gotten the diarrhea, the “crash”, and my heads a litle foggy as well, but those last 2 could be from calorie cutting.
or maybe a better question is, lets say i go through with the carb up, how will i know if i DIDNT make the changes? what should i be looking for after i carb up so i can know that its working?
what do you guys think about including whip cream during the low carb days. I’m surprise there is only a little amount of carb in it. Is it safe to consume?
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
[/quote]
…has there been a change regarding the use of coconut oil and/or MCTs while on the AD? On page 63 of the original book, Dr. D clearly states to we are stay away from Medium Chain Tryglycerides as they bypass the very metabolic process that the AD sets-up…Hebs
[quote]hebsie wrote:
Moon Knight wrote:
Meal 1 - 1 scoop ON protein shake, 1 tablespoon of coconut oil
…has there been a change regarding the use of coconut oil and/or MCTs while on the AD? On page 63 of the original book, Dr. D clearly states to we are stay away from Medium Chain Tryglycerides as they bypass the very metabolic process that the AD sets-up…Hebs
[/quote]
Well, I had not bought the book yet at the point where I was eating the coconut oil there. I just knew of the diet from having read about it on T-Nation years ago (never tried it, having been doing another low-carb variety at the time) and from reading some of this thread recently.
I have the book now (in pdf form) but have just skimmed it so far, reading the diet part more thoroughly. I did not see the mention of MCTs in the book yet, but I am sure you know what you are referencing.
I had been using coconut oil during the V-diet because I understand (and have experienced) that it is good for fat metabolism, and generally cleansing. It also was providing me saturated fat though that is no longer a problem with eggs and meat back on the menu.
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I had been using coconut oil during the V-diet because I understand (and have experienced) that it is good for fat metabolism, and generally cleansing. It also was providing me saturated fat though that is no longer a problem with eggs and meat back on the menu.[/quote]
…just for information purposes only, this was a quote from Dr. Jeff Volek (TNT plan) over on the MH forums…
"…Coconut oil does have a moderate amount of MCT, and indeed they do have unique properties compared to the more typical long chain fatty acids in the food we eat. Mainly they bypass some of the regulatory steps in burning fat and therefore are burned preferentially to glucose and other fuel sources.
I would agree with some of the other posts that this may not be a good thing, as it competes with burning of your own fat stores which is in fact the goal of low carb dieting for many people. There are also some other potentially negative effects of MCTs on lipid metabolism and liver function, so I’m not a big fan…"