My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Filmmakerr wrote:
So can SOMEONE tell me how much protein their getting while losing bodyfat? lol…its the easiest question, yet its been ignored for the past 15 pages.

Please =D[/quote]

I’m only on day 3 of the AD, but I’m still taking in 1-1.5 grams of protein per lean pound of bodyweight. Then I just make sure that 50-60% of the total CALORIES I consume are from a mixture of fats. But most come from Extra Virgin Olive Oil–I take about 6 tbsp. per day, which is around 840 calories from Olive Oil alone. I also take Omega 3’s, but they aren’t very calorie dense, so the rest comes from sats, etc.

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day 4… feeling a little sluggish…achy muscles are sore from lack of PWO… but not giving up even though the logic part of my brain says this is crazy…

anyone ever asked or talked about the long-term (years later) affects of the AD? if so, could someone summarize in a nutshell?

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oh and i am getting some cravings… mostly fruit… miss my oatmeal a little and my high fiber tortillas… but i’ll live…

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[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
carbs do not hinder anabolism dude[/quote]

Hmmm… so you’re saying if you ate 300 grams of carbs a day it wouldn’t effect you’re state of being anabolic on this diet?

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I’m liking this diet so far. 4 days in and I don’t feel as sluggish when I take a stimulant supplement, but on day 2 I didn’t take the stim and I was very lethargic.

I do notice that I am weaker in the gym and have less of an ability to “push through” barriers and I have to actually think about telling my muscles to fire rather than have it be more automatic (the way it is with carbs).

The nice thing is that I don’t feel hungry at all, but I do miss having carbs. Apples, oatmeal, berries, wheat bread, and a post-workout drink are sorely missed…

If I can turn to burning stored body fat as fuel, then it’s worth whatever price I have to pay to get into that fat adapted state.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
I’m liking this diet so far. 4 days in and I don’t feel as sluggish when I take a stimulant supplement, but on day 2 I didn’t take the stim and I was very lethargic.

I do notice that I am weaker in the gym and have less of an ability to “push through” barriers and I have to actually think about telling my muscles to fire rather than have it be more automatic (the way it is with carbs).

The nice thing is that I don’t feel hungry at all, but I do miss having carbs. Apples, oatmeal, berries, wheat bread, and a post-workout drink are sorely missed…

If I can turn to burning stored body fat as fuel, then it’s worth whatever price I have to pay to get into that fat adapted state. [/quote]

That’s ok bro, it usually happens like that for a lot of guys in the early stages…I had unusual amounts of focus and energy in the early stages more than the usual I think, and didn’t really get sick until like day10 or so.

          Then I just generally felt kind of sick for like half a day, then got a little better that night. After that it's been sweet ever since.

          If you do follow the "rules", you WILL start to use fat for energy, but be careful about trying to lose weight too fast before the fat burning has really set in.

       What you want to do is wait for at least the first month to go by and then start dropping the calories through mostly fat, while staying at 40% cals from fat still though..then it will melt off nicely.

  So just stay with your transition calories for the most part, I don't know what those are for you,..but stick with those numbers. Your workouts should get better, you definitely need to get some powdered BCAA's and start taking those before/after your workout at least 15g ea., and between meals at around 5-7gms on non workout days at least as well. 

        That will really help you, like myself and a lot of other guys,(Hagar), have previously said.

             Good to see you over here Huge,...

good luck dude, it’s going to go by fast don’t worry…
see ya,
ToneBone

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Tony, thanks for the reply. Good stuff as always.

I’ve got myself a few tubs of Xtreme Formulations BCAA powder and a bottle of Biotest BCAAs should be here tomorrow or Friday…woo!

Huge

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ok so im on the road and have been eating “fried pork skins” which i think is the same as pork rinds.

the bag is 8 servings
80 cal per serving
5g fat
0 carb
7g pro (not a significant source of protein)

WHAT?
that dosent make sense. thats alot of protein!

also the cals dont add up to 80 (more like 73 but whatever)

are pig skins an absorbable source of protein?
if so these are the perfect meal/snack

640cal
45g fat x 9=405=63%fat
56 g protein

anyone know anything about this? jerkey is too high in carbs and im on the road so im eatin at gas stations alot.

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[quote]cesliwakan wrote:
ok so im on the road and have been eating “fried pork skins” which i think is the same as pork rinds.

the bag is 8 servings
80 cal per serving
5g fat
0 carb
7g pro (not a significant source of protein)

WHAT?
that dosent make sense. thats alot of protein!

also the cals dont add up to 80 (more like 73 but whatever)

are pig skins an absorbable source of protein?
if so these are the perfect meal/snack

640cal
45g fat x 9=405=63%fat
56 g protein

anyone know anything about this? jerkey is too high in carbs and im on the road so im eatin at gas stations alot.

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If you can take a small cooler with you, I’d mix enough low- carb whey protein for 3 shakes, mixed with Extra Virgin Olive Oil, and drink that throughout the day. The Olive Oil I use is 120 cals per tablespoon, so adding six tablespoons to your mixture would give you 720 fat calories. Add more, if your diet requires it…

With my protein powder, 3 shakes + 6 tbsp. Olive Oil gives me 1500 total calories, 732 from fat, 5g carbs., and 150g. protein, all in about 18oz. of liquid (water, diet Green Tea, etc.). Plus, it’s loaded with BCAA’s. High calorie, high protein, high fat, low carb…very economical for just in-between-meals snacks. I don’t think slim jims or pork rinds can compare to this.

-james

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Cucumbers seem to keep me “regular” lol.

I discovered a pretty tasty but fat-rich way to have breakfast. Milled flax has 4.5 g of fat per serving, with 4 g of protein and 4g of fiber with ZERO Carbs. Put it in a bowl with water (like oatmeal) and heat it up in the microwave for a minute, add some splenda and then it’s like having your morning oatmeal.

But damn, I never realized how hard it is to get 27 grams of fat per meal…
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That sounds pretty cool, whats the taste like? and how much is a serving? Also, is it ground flax seeds?

Good tip, I might have to try that…

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[quote]sinjam wrote:
yay! Just finished reading the whole thread. Ok, ok, I admit that I did skimmed the last 20pages or so, since I noticed that it really really REALLY started to repeat itself - the funniest thing I found was people going:
“Hey, i just read everything on this thread to the page 50-or-what-not and then read the two books, started the diet but i still have a question: Do you count fiber to the CHO intake?” :smiley:
Didn’t meant to be offensive towards anyone, but it was just funny that after all that reading and studying people are still asking the most basic questions there is over and over again :smiley:

It’s cool that every important questions is answered in the first 50-70 pages of this thread:) Makes thing ALOT easier and less stressful when you know what your body is going through.

raviraj wrote:
so dont increase the protien whatever is going for u dont tweak as its giving u the best results when u halt we will see what to do for now just do what u are doing .

Hey raviraj,
You were quite freaked out about your cholesterol values while roidin’ and doing the diet, a while back ago. Did you do any retesting later on? And how did they come up?
Just asking purely out of curiosity:)

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With me, so far so good. I just love this diet. Have gone down 4lbs of water weight on the adaption phase and not really looking forward the carb up next w/e. Still gonna do it, and try to do it with clean carbs.
Some positive sides:
My hair and complexion had already gone better. I feel and look quite much leaner (have lost an inch from my waist). Training has gone tremendously (weights are creeping up) well and I have constant high energy all the time. Did the “crash”, not harsh though since i just felt sleepy over the weekend, with this warm-n-fuzzy-way. So it was quite nice. No headaches or anything negative really. I drip sweat at the gym like a broken shower head and all my pre-period carb cravings (I used to want to eat sugar straight from the bag before periods!) are ALL GONE. Which is amazing. I always thought that the reason for the cravings would be emotional or psychological but apparently they were physiological - which is AMAZING. I haven’t really had any cravings for carbs anyway, which is weird, considering that I ate them before quite much and was expecting the adaption phase being more ruff. Bowel is working nicely and mental clarity is totally different than before. I don’t get annoyed so easily anymore and when I’m tired I don’t get pissed off, I’m just minding my own business and not really flaring up at all. Except the caffeine REALLY makes me flare up - but in a very positive way. Wow! I’ve never had that kinda buzz from a caffeine before!

Oh…after reading my text again I sound like a text book example of the positive “symptoms” you have on this diet :D:D

So, really, all in all, if this is gonna be even better when I’m fully fat adapted (after 6-8 months or so) I don’t see a reason why I wouldn’t eat like this for the rest of my life, since the positive sides are already been quite over whelming.

<3
Titiu

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Welcome aboard the AD express. Keep us posted and chime in when you feel.

AD

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Cucumbers seem to keep me “regular” lol.

I discovered a pretty tasty but fat-rich way to have breakfast. Milled flax has 4.5 g of fat per serving, with 4 g of protein and 4g of fiber with ZERO Carbs. Put it in a bowl with water (like oatmeal) and heat it up in the microwave for a minute, add some splenda and then it’s like having your morning oatmeal.

But damn, I never realized how hard it is to get 27 grams of fat per meal…

That sounds pretty cool, whats the taste like? and how much is a serving? Also, is it ground flax seeds?

Good tip, I might have to try that… [/quote]

When I use Fitday the Carb to fiber ratio they show equals out to almost a 3carb surplus… I buy my flax bulk so don’t have they breakdown… Is there any other sites better than Fitday?? They had 2 different listongs for flax and the carb ratio between the two where way different but the despricption of the two weren’t different at all…

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[quote]nycsoccax wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
carbs do not hinder anabolism dude

Hmmm… so you’re saying if you ate 300 grams of carbs a day it wouldn’t effect you’re state of being anabolic on this diet?

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Now you’re taking the comment way too far…I did not mean that it would not make a difference as to the amount of carbs fullstop.

Essentially, the key is to be on low carbs from Monday to Friday and carb up on teh weekends. 300g is high, 60g is still very low! And I take it you do not even understand the term “Anabolic” seen as you are throwing the term around so much…which is when your body is building muscle.

Carbs will not stop you from building muscle. Thats the end of this argument…I really CAN understand why the T-Nation guys wanted to get rid of the forums, due to there been so many bored ppl out there posting up rediculous comments talkin crap.

Its a very sad fact that there are alot of people who are not willing to learn from others and take onboard advice…even if its not what you believe, does not mean you should dismiss it!
Im not saying I know it all, but am certainly willing to learn…I would not have progress much in training or in life if I lived in a box.

Gymjunkie

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[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
carbs do not hinder anabolism dude

Hmmm… so you’re saying if you ate 300 grams of carbs a day it wouldn’t effect you’re state of being anabolic on this diet?

Now you’re taking the comment way too far…I did not mean that it would not make a difference as to the amount of carbs fullstop.

Essentially, the key is to be on low carbs from Monday to Friday and carb up on teh weekends. 300g is high, 60g is still very low! And I take it you do not even understand the term “Anabolic” seen as you are throwing the term around so much…which is when your body is building muscle.

Carbs will not stop you from building muscle. Thats the end of this argument…I really CAN understand why the T-Nation guys wanted to get rid of the forums, due to there been so many bored ppl out there posting up rediculous comments talkin crap.

Its a very sad fact that there are alot of people who are not willing to learn from others and take onboard advice…even if its not what you believe, does not mean you should dismiss it!
Im not saying I know it all, but am certainly willing to learn…I would not have progress much in training or in life if I lived in a box.

Gymjunkie[/quote]

Okay, you’re saying I’m ignorant about the diet because I have less than ____ amount of posts, yet I’ve been reading this thread since about 2006 and been on the diet for about 3-4 months.

“carbs do not hinder anabolism dude” can’t mean much else than your intake of carbs do not change your state of being anabolic, which is down right wrong. It does mean building muscle, but you know theres more components to it.

I wouldn’t say I’m not willing to take advice from other people, because I’ve learned everything I know about AD through the 250 pages of this thread. Chill before you start saying I don’t know anything. I’ve lost about 4% BF from this diet already while maintaining body weight in 3 months, I must know a few things.

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
I need some help with a recent (past two week) stomach/intestinal problem while on this diet.

I’ve been following the AD for 6 weeks, and following it to a T. Everything was awesome until maybe 2 weeks ago, when I got intestinal/abdominal area cramps (between mild and severe), and a significant decrease in appetite along with bowel problems.

I just got back from the doc’s and my blood work was fine, x-rays apparently didn’t show anything, and they gave me Miralax (laxative).

Needless to say I dont have to explain the doc’s reaction when I told her the type of diet I was on; everyone thinks the AD is the cause of it, and perhaps it is, but I seriously do not want to switch back to a carb-based diet.

As for fiber, I should be eating more veggies. I do supp. with psyllium husks, about 4-6 servings a day.

My question is: has anyone experienced this, know someone who has experienced this, or even read about anything like this?? Can anyone give me some help as to what I should do?

I will try to increase my fiber to well over 30g a day and see if that helps. Besides that, I just want to know if anyone has experienced this before or can tell me if they think this is AD related or perhaps a stomach bug?

I need some help! i don’t want to change back to a carb-based diet again! Thanks!

That sucks. I never had any problems on the AD. Are you drinking enough water? Have you tried digestive enzymes or HCA? they might be worth looking into. Are you using psyllum husk for your fiber?

I’ve been drinking only water, which is normal for me. No soda or juices of any kind. I am using psyllium husks for fiber, and realize I could be getting in more veggies. Still though, I looked online and 100g of broccoli is only like 2.6g of fiber, while one teaspoon of psyllium is 4.5

What is HCA?? Is it a digestive enzyme?

The only thing I can imagine that is causing this is not enough fiber/too much fat. I don’t know exactly how too much fat in your diet can cause abdominal pain and cause you to back up though.

I was eating 3oz of cheese everyday, and cut that out because I read it can cause constipation. I also cut out the one or two cups of coffee as well.

Maybe a good digestive enzyme is all I need. If anyone else has any tips I would greatly appreciate it!

I know we’re different people but I used to double the cheese and coffee you consume and never had any problems, although I cut down on the cheese for cutting purposes. I doubt cheese could be the problem… plus its so tasty how could you cut it out hehe

I don’t think it was the cheese either, but I was in that “cut out everything that could be the cause” mode to see if I could solve the problem. Then i was going to slowly add one or two items back in.

I was really loving my cheddar cheese/pepperoni meal too…

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i went through the same thing- stomache problems. I cut out the crappy foods (processed sausages and hamburgers) and most of my cheese AND i cut back on peanuts/peanut butter. this made the pain go away. the nuts and cheese really make it bad for me.

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[quote]steelerfan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Cucumbers seem to keep me “regular” lol.

I discovered a pretty tasty but fat-rich way to have breakfast. Milled flax has 4.5 g of fat per serving, with 4 g of protein and 4g of fiber with ZERO Carbs. Put it in a bowl with water (like oatmeal) and heat it up in the microwave for a minute, add some splenda and then it’s like having your morning oatmeal.

But damn, I never realized how hard it is to get 27 grams of fat per meal…

That sounds pretty cool, whats the taste like? and how much is a serving? Also, is it ground flax seeds?

Good tip, I might have to try that…

When I use Fitday the Carb to fiber ratio they show equals out to almost a 3carb surplus… I buy my flax bulk so don’t have they breakdown… Is there any other sites better than Fitday?? They had 2 different listongs for flax and the carb ratio between the two where way different but the despricption of the two weren’t different at all…

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Hey bro, I use nutritiondata.com…used fitday for a while but didn’t like it as much as this one…easier to plug in your info/custom items IMO…

               hope it works for you.
                    ToneBone
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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
What is HCA?? Is it a digestive enzyme?

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Man this thread moves. HCA or Hydrochloric acid supplements help you digest food. Around half the people out there don’t produce enough. Most supplement stores carry them. On a side note I personally I limit the amount of cheese I eat. Here’s more info on HCA supps.

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I think it’s pretty clear in the books, how and why the “diet” works…

I think some people can “bend” the rules more than others, but generally one has to follow the rules pretty closely, but when you do, the benefits/results are actual, seeable in the mirror type results…right up there with what one might achieve with an outside anabolic agent, although obviously not quite as powerful as those can be…but powerful enough to “notice” some shit…to put it bluntly…ha,ha…

        In other words it's fantastic, and produces results like you would not normally see from any other "diets" period..

         I think the combo of the diet followed strictly, and then proper/correct choices for supplementing it are key...BCAA is top dog with fish oil caps...and then the usual suspects from there..

             And that's it, just genius eh?
          We owe the man for taking the time to organize and legitamize such a big undertaking that the books must have been..wow..

      Ok, that's my Mr. Smiley post of the week...
               see ya mang...lol.
                    Tonebone

Now go have a heavy creamed out protein shake!!

                   ToneBone
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Posts like TB’s make me glad to be a T-Nation regular.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
steelerfan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Cucumbers seem to keep me “regular” lol.

I discovered a pretty tasty but fat-rich way to have breakfast. Milled flax has 4.5 g of fat per serving, with 4 g of protein and 4g of fiber with ZERO Carbs. Put it in a bowl with water (like oatmeal) and heat it up in the microwave for a minute, add some splenda and then it’s like having your morning oatmeal.

But damn, I never realized how hard it is to get 27 grams of fat per meal…

That sounds pretty cool, whats the taste like? and how much is a serving? Also, is it ground flax seeds?

Good tip, I might have to try that…

When I use Fitday the Carb to fiber ratio they show equals out to almost a 3carb surplus… I buy my flax bulk so don’t have they breakdown… Is there any other sites better than Fitday?? They had 2 different listongs for flax and the carb ratio between the two where way different but the despricption of the two weren’t different at all…

Hey bro, I use nutritiondata.com…used fitday for a while but didn’t like it as much as this one…easier to plug in your info/custom items IMO…

               hope it works for you.
                    ToneBone[/quote]

Thanks I will check it out… I also ordered a Salter 1450 model Nutritional food scale, can’t wait to get it…