My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Underestimated wrote:
Hey Tone,

Nice to hear the progress and I understand your concern totally on the veggies. Alot of people want to make sure that they aren’t compromising the diet due to these types of things. As far as the Butterhead goes, it is totally free as in zero carbs. There is a difference in the others(Romaine, Iceberg, Leaf, etc.), but it is negligible. From experience and research I can assure you that eating all varieties will not harm your progress on the diet and do not need to be counted. That is not to say that eating five 2 lb. bags isn’t going to change the dynamic of your diet, but at that level you should be more concerned with the amount of time you will be spending on the toilet. LOL. Now as far as the celery, any is fine as well. Piledrive away Bro.

By the way how was the show?

Best, UE [/quote]

         Hey buddy,

thanks for the positive vibes and info.

      The show was pretty nice, small but fun. I mainly had fun talking to Ed Corney whom I have known for a long time as he trained with my first weightlifting "coach" back in the day. And so I had seen/talked to him many times over the years.

  The poor guy had some serious health/heart issues a few years back, but still trains,(although he finally has told me he's training "lighter" now), and looks great really...so that was very motivating for me. He got a kick out of my little girl who's about 2years and a couple months old.

          But yeah, it was pretty good, a few good looking Light Heavies in the mens, and some good women too.

        peace bro, and I have a post on it under bodybuilding first or second page titled Ed Corney at the CV show. check it out.
           cheers, ToneBone
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Really hard to describe what the regular favored Greens+ tastes like…but it’s not good.

I really like the variety of flavors you can get in Canada but the other stuff you really just need to man up and choke it down, or get the capsules and take them by the fist full.

[quote]fuzzm wrote:
thanks Pauli D for the advice. i’ll try to cook spinach in some kind of scrambled egg type thing. and i’ll check out the Greens+ when i get a chance. i almost bought some of that stuff at GNC a couple of months ago and was curious. can anybody tell me what the regular flavor Greens+ powder tastes like?
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[quote]Photo Guy wrote:
Really hard to describe what the regular favored Greens+ tastes like…but it’s not good.

I really like the variety of flavors you can get in Canada but the other stuff you really just need to man up and choke it down, or get the capsules and take them by the fist full.
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haha…ok thanks. how come canada gets all the good flavors? geez.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I’m going to start the AD soon, and have been reading the book in PDF format. I like eating low carb, and generally feel better on a low carb diet, but have only eaten that way while on a calorie deficit. I look forward to trying it with a caloric surplus. I have a few questions about the high carb days and I can’t find the answers in the book.

Why is protein intake so low on high carb days? I weigh 210lbs, and if I follow the percentages outlined in the book, he would have me consume only 140 grams of protein on weekends. [/quote]

Uncle Gabby,

The AD is about glycogen supercompensation on the weekend while maintaining fat adaptation through increased amounts of carbs and keeping fat intake fairly elevated as well. The lower protein on the weekends allows for the increased carb calories for those trying to stick to a SPECIFIC calorie setpoint without going over yet get the proper amount of fat and more importantly carbs to get the Gold of the diet.

Keep in mind as well that 140g of protein is not low at all considering you are not on a VLCD at 3780 calories and once adapted the AD is very protein sparing. Remember, the weekends are about CHO not PRO.

The insulin response from the increased carbs ALONG with an increase in Testosterone and Growth Hormone(which is usually inverse to insulin) jams all the glycogen and amino acids(which there is plenty of at this point even at 140g on the weekends) available into the muscles creating one heck of an anabolic event.

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I’ve been consuming more than 1g per pound of LBM for a while, and cutting my protein intake almost in half would be strange. [/quote]

This diet IS strange.

Bad in what respect? Once adapted you will be burning fat more efficiently and the carbs will be sucked up like you were a muscle sponge on the loads. As far as GI distress can’t help you there except try different combos.

Yes. LOL Just kidding. I think I answered that above(maintain adaptation)[quote] or are there health reasons for lowering the protein intake?[/quote]

It’s to make room for the big bad CHO.

This thread contains lots of info for changes you can make once fat adapted and you may want to do the common 12 day assessment to speed up adaptation instead of the 5 day listed in the Anabolic Diet. Hope this helps. Best of Luck.

UE

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Ok, thanks a lot guys. I’ll do the diet by the book for at least 2 months before I tinker with it, if I ever do. Been cutting back the carbs, but won’t officially start the diet til next Monday. Using the time to plan meals, count calories, etc.

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[quote]fuzzm wrote:
so, i need to up the fiber. I bought some spinach and tried to eat a raw leaf and nearly puked. any other veggie haters have some recipes to make nasty green shit taste good? i’m willing to put forth the effort. not shitting is not so comfortable.
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Flaxmeal has been the primary mover for me on this diet - nice and regular.

If you have a good source for low carb, high-fibre tortillas, you can do great things with them as wraps, quesadillas, etc.
Nuts (and their butters) also have a good chunk of fibre, with minimal remaining carbs, depending on type.

If plain vegetables aren’t palatable to you - remember this is the AD, and you can delight in smothering greens with all those fatty dressings (hail, Caesar!) that we used to deny ourselves.

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My mom accused me of having roid rage on saturday…my first day of carb up…and at this point in the week i change quite a bit…anyone else get accused of being a monster whilst on this diet

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
My mom accused me of having roid rage on saturday…my first day of carb up…and at this point in the week i change quite a bit…anyone else get accused of being a monster whilst on this diet[/quote]

      LOL>..ha, no not me, but that cracked me up bro..I feel difft. but more like slightly to pretty lethargic, depending on the GI of carbs ingested. When I eat really clean slow carbs, I feel pretty good, if I start tossin in too many high GI stuff, I feel overfilled and kind of lethargic...so I try to hit mainly clean stuff w/an occasional cookie, or whatever floats my boat at the time thrown in as a reward..that way I don't go up too many pounds and I feel a lot better..

        Good one though Mackey, you made me laugh this morning w/that one...  hope your doing great otherwise w/the diet.

         best,ToneBone
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[quote]fuzzm wrote:
thanks Pauli D for the advice. i’ll try to cook spinach in some kind of scrambled egg type thing. and i’ll check out the Greens+ when i get a chance. i almost bought some of that stuff at GNC a couple of months ago and was curious. can anybody tell me what the regular flavor Greens+ powder tastes like?
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It tastes exactly what it is…powdered veggies

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Just so you know, over at the Muscle with Attitude site, Jen Heath did the world a great service and wrote an excellent article on the AD.

http://www.musclewithattitude.com/readTopicMwa.do;jsessionid=059DA2F55CFA4F5680D5E14C2EDF0F12.hydra?id=1644317

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Hi Everyone -

I haven’t been on this thread for a while. Thanks for putting up with me when I was - that was a horrid horrid time!

Anyway, I have a couple questions that I would like some input on. Esp. DH - if you have time???

Basically I’m not going to go on the AD right now or probably ever again, mostly becuase even though I really believe in the theory of it it is pyschologically not a good diet for me - it seems some people really just like fats and meats a lot. I get really nausus when I eat too much fat. It just makes me want to throw up. And I can’t justify removing all fruit. I also don’t enjoy the carb ups. They also make me feel sick.

So anyway, I just was wondering about carb cycling and how it relates to the AD. I thought the idea of carb cycling was similar to the AD but on a small scale - basically you give your muscles carbs just around workouts and the rest of the day you’re runnig off fat. But the AD would imply that you can’t get fat adapted and unadapted every day - so you’re carb dependant even if you’re having no carbs all day except peri-workout.

Now I also do not crave carbs. I also have no problem working out in the morning on just whey - so I don’t think I’m too carb dependant.

However, what I notice is this:

I am more sore without 1 scoop of Surge (15g. of carbs) post workout.

I do not crave carbs at any other time of the day. However, after trying to track my carbs religiously on the AD I realize that I am taking in large amounts of spurious carbs.

My diet right now (one that makes me feel good and very energetic) goes like this:

1 scoop whey (optional berries) upon waking

workout

1 scoop whey+ Surge

meal 1 hr later - only carbs include 1/2 onion, small serving of berries or cherries, 4 servings of snap peas.

*sometimes in this meal I force myself to have a small 10g. of carbs oatmeal muffin - but you see I never WANT it. So should I be having this?

The rest of the day I just eat VEGGIES galore, meat, and a reasonable amount of fat - about 50 g. I also allow 2-3 servings of protein powder, each with 2-4g. of carbs.

So you see in terms of the AD this is a lot of carbs I guess. But some people who do the AD don’t count veggies. If I didn’t count veggie carbs I would be acually in the area of only about 30g. of carbs.

So I guess my question is this - assuming my diet is NOT AD like enough for my body to be burning fats, do I need to be adding in more carbs? Or can the philosophy of the AD (having times of fat burning) still work on something like this?

I don’t know if this made any sense. I guess I’d like the input of you guys who know a lot about how the body works on where to go with my diet and how I could improve it.

Thanks!

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[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Hi Everyone -
My diet right now (one that makes me feel good and very energetic) goes like this:

1 scoop whey (optional berries) upon waking

workout

1 scoop whey+ Surge

meal 1 hr later - only carbs include 1/2 onion, small serving of berries or cherries, 4 servings of snap peas.

*sometimes in this meal I force myself to have a small 10g. of carbs oatmeal muffin - but you see I never WANT it. So should I be having this?

The rest of the day I just eat VEGGIES galore, meat, and a reasonable amount of fat - about 50 g. I also allow 2-3 servings of protein powder, each with 2-4g. of carbs.

So you see in terms of the AD this is a lot of carbs I guess. But some people who do the AD don’t count veggies. If I didn’t count veggie carbs I would be acually in the area of only about 30g. of carbs.

So I guess my question is this - assuming my diet is NOT AD like enough for my body to be burning fats, do I need to be adding in more carbs? Or can the philosophy of the AD (having times of fat burning) still work on something like this?

I don’t know if this made any sense. I guess I’d like the input of you guys who know a lot about how the body works on where to go with my diet and how I could improve it.

Thanks![/quote]

Hi sarah1,

…it’s more LIKE the AD than Not-Like the AD isn’t it?

Have you looked over Jen Heath’s latest contribution in the MWA area?

Why don’t you give Jen a shot at your dilemma? Ask her what she thinks…

:wink:

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Hey guys,

I’m new on this site, and I’m very interested in the anabolic Diet.

1 question so far: HIIT (two times a week) and the Anabolic Diet, do they mix? The cardio is for health benefits and endurance, not for losing fat.

grtz

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[quote]Anab wrote:
Hey guys,

I’m new on this site, and I’m very interested in the anabolic Diet.

1 question so far: HIIT (two times a week) and the Anabolic Diet, do they mix? The cardio is for health benefits and endurance, not for losing fat.

grtz[/quote]

Yes they do but you might have a little trouble at first until you get adapted. At first cardio with no carbs can suck (wind that is). Later on it gets better. I prefer to do a session on Saturday morning before the carb up.

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Flax seed and prostate cancer?? What do you guys think?

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
My mom accused me of having roid rage on saturday…my first day of carb up…and at this point in the week i change quite a bit…anyone else get accused of being a monster whilst on this diet[/quote]

I’ve heard a few “well how big are you going get?” The other day I left the room and someone said “Man that guy is f@#$ing huge!” Awesome this diet rules!

I’ve been using DH’s suggestion for the past 4 weeks. Fish oil caps (I do 10g) a half hour before lifting and 30 to 35g BCAA’s during my workout. I’m stronger every time I go back to the gym! and my arms have never been bigger (18" cold but I could go for another 2") All with no juice. Thanks DH.

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[quote]Anab wrote:

Flax seed and prostate cancer?? What do you guys think?

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Didn’t find the link. What does it prevent it?

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question on the carb up days…

am i right to keep the calories the same, but reduce proteins and fats?

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[quote]getabsfast83 wrote:
question on the carb up days…

am i right to keep the calories the same, but reduce proteins and fats?[/quote]

That’s a good place to start!
Eventually you’ll find your cals will fluctuate…or at least that’s the most efficient way of “running” the AD.

For instance:
If you go gonzo on the weekend load -you’ll naturally consume less come Monday -even into Tuesday and begin ramping up cals again by Friday…see what I mean?

peace

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Just wanted to share my updated AD milkshake. I’ve been having this for 1 of my breakfast meals and it is amazing. Tastes like a real milkshake. Why would anyone need an actual real milkshake when we can eat like this?

8 oz of crushed ice
(more if you like it thicker)
2 oz/4tbsp full cream
1 tbsp vanilla extract
2 sacoops chocolate Universal milk and egg protein (50 grams pro)
3 whole raw omega 3 eggs

Crush the ice first, then add a little water, not too much or it will be runny. Then add the protein and the eggs. maybe a little more water.

I promise you’ll love it.