My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Underestimated wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak

Chicken

Eggs

Ground Beef

Tuna

Turkey

Steak

Cheese

Walnuts

Pecans

Almonds

Steak

Ham(real)

Lettuce

Celery

Cucumbers

EVOO

Steak

Spices

A Good Multivitamin

And every so often(hint, hint): fruit, oats, rice, pasta, potatoes, corn, bread, cakes, cookies, Fruity Pebbles, Doozies, McGriddles, and AHHH I’m rambling. You get the picture. Oh, and did I mention steak.

Best, UE

[/quote]

LOL mmmm steak.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak

You had me at steak.

hahaha. good one there. I’ve never had a McGriddle…rarely eat at McDonalds…are they any good?

[/quote]
I’ve read they are beyond delicious [source I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell by Tucker Max (a crude and sick individual)]

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         Hey gang, how we doin?

I am still here at 190lbs. all day long… So I plan on doing a very clean one day carb up, and keeping cals at 1800 next week. I’ll see how that does, and if need be will drop the cals even more, doing cardio three times a week at least now also.
so, should have some good fat loss soon…
hope everyone has a good weekend, going to the central valley bodybuilding show in Livermore tomorrow for pre-judging…should be pretty good.
peace.
ToneBone

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g’day all, about halfway through carbing up, and by jeez i feel like shit. been trying to drink plenty of water, but still have a headache and sooooo sleepy, maybe thats how i felt always… think i prefer just eating my bacon, eggs, meat and tuna.

have been pretty bad with carb up though, made a list of everything i craved during past 2 weeks and bought it and thats what i’ve been eating, feel generally bloated and lethargic.

went XC skiing today though and think that might have saved me from the worst of it, since i must haved burned a ton of calories. anyhow, back to eating carbs for another damn 12hrs, then back to bacon :slight_smile:

richie

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[quote]Underestimated wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

A Good Multivitamin

[/quote]

Which multivitamin do you use and/or recommend?

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it took me 3 weeks to finish reading all the information in this thread. thanks to all the contributers, keep it up!!! i’m currently on day 16 of the AD – 2nd day of the first carb up.

i have been aiming for 15x BW for the initial maintenance phase calories. during the first week it was hard to eat enough calories(dropped 3.4 lbs), but appetite increased the 2nd week and i ate approx. 200 calories above maintenance per day (gained 1.8 lbs). except i feel like i’m losing fat and gaining some definition – so i think the weight gain is due primarily to water retention and constipation.

so, i’m going to stay at 15x BW this next week and try to tighten up other aspects that need tightening up. the mass influx of carbohydrates this weekend seems to have fixed my plumbing issues, the only serious “problem” i’ve had.

Downloaded the anabolic diet pdf and read it again last night. Picked up a few details i missed the first time around, so need to tweak a few things. For example, i’m not taking in enough fish oil.

I had been taking in 6,000 grams total (1080 grams EPA) instead of the recommended 2,000 grams from EPA alone so i need to double my intake. Hope that makes a difference. I saw that most of you guys were taking in at least 10 fish caps per day, but i assumed i just had a higher concentration product or something.

Question: do you continue taking fish oil and multivitamins on carb up days?

Fiber, obviously has been an issue, being a non-vegetable lover. ack! i have been eating mainly green beans, mushrooms, and ground flax seed for my fiber needs and supplementing with fiber choice tabs (um…i was suckered in by the colorful packaging). There is sorbitol and dextrose listed on the label and i bought it anyway.

typical method of sabotaging myself. on the label it says sugar free zero carb, but the 4 grams of fiber are from soluble fiber and i see from the previous posts that soluble fiber counts as 1/2 the carb amount? I had never heard this before, so had not been counting the extra carbs against my total. they taste like total sugar…suspicious.

so, i need to up the fiber. I bought some spinach and tried to eat a raw leaf and nearly puked. any other veggie haters have some recipes to make nasty green shit taste good? i’m willing to put forth the effort. not shitting is not so comfortable.

thanks again for such an awesome thread. i learned a lot!

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[quote]fuzzm wrote:
Question: do you continue taking fish oil and multivitamins on carb up days?

Fiber, obviously has been an issue, being a non-vegetable lover. ack! i have been eating mainly green beans, mushrooms, and ground flax seed for my fiber needs and supplementing with fiber choice tabs (um…i was suckered in by the colorful packaging). There is sorbitol and dextrose listed on the label and i bought it anyway.

typical method of sabotaging myself. on the label it says sugar free zero carb, but the 4 grams of fiber are from soluble fiber and i see from the previous posts that soluble fiber counts as 1/2 the carb amount? I had never heard this before, so had not been counting the extra carbs against my total. they taste like total sugar…suspicious.

so, i need to up the fiber. I bought some spinach and tried to eat a raw leaf and nearly puked. any other veggie haters have some recipes to make nasty green shit taste good? i’m willing to put forth the effort. not shitting is not so comfortable.

thanks again for such an awesome thread. i learned a lot!

[/quote]

fuzzm,

Yes, do continue the fish oil. It’s very good for you and it certainly isn’t going to harm your carb-up.
In fact fat plays a vital role in the carb-up. Keep your percentages up…30% (or greater) is often recommended.

As for the fiber issue…
Ground flax, of course, is always good…but veggies are truly better, for a variety of reasons.

If raw veggies just aren’t your thing…cook them! Spinach and brocolli render down nicely when steamed. You could try them wth some vinegar…top it with cheese…whatever!
Veggies are very important on the AD (as you’ve probably read)

But if even that sickens you…Greens+ (http://greensplus.com) makes a pleasant tasting and very nutritious fiber supplement. Give that a try.

An even cheaper route are psyllium husks. You can find them at most health food stores in capsule form.
They have absolutely zero nutritional value…but they ARE an excellent source of fiber.

As for the whole soluble vs insoluble thing…honestly, unless you’re ‘tightening-up’ for a show or are into some non-whole food type concoction…it’s really a fairly minor detail and just not worth fretting over.

Of course, your individual mileage may vary…but experience tells me otherwise.

peace

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I had a couple of containers of satisfiber+ (the greens+ Canadian fiber supplement, think it has a different name in the US) delivered to me in camp and I love this stuff. Tastes pretty good and it’s loaded with fiber (10g per serving, 3g soluble, and 7g insoluble).

Veggies are a rare commodity here in camp other than corn, carrots, peas, and potatos so the satisfiber+ and greens+multi are critical for me until I get home and clean out the local farmers market of fresh spinach, broccoli, and cauliflower.

[quote]Pauli D wrote:

But if even that sickens you…Greens+ (http://greensplus.com) makes a pleasant tasting and very nutritious fiber supplement. Give that a try.

peace [/quote]

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hello all…

coming to the end of my first carb up weekend and let me tell you…i am soooo tired…i’ve been draggin my butt the entire day…and my tummy has been all crampy - is this normal?

But i am LOVING the AD…i think i have finally found what I’ve been looking for …and with the ABBH II program i am having a great time getting in shape…

I’ve been keeping cals between 12 and 15 x BW and in 2 weeks I’ve already dropped about 6lbs(152 to 146) and i was WAY stronger at the gym today than normal… can’t wait to see what the next 6-8 weeks bring…hoping I’ll hit the 130’s before the end of summer…

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[quote]krew wrote:
hello all…

coming to the end of my first carb up weekend and let me tell you…i am soooo tired…i’ve been draggin my butt the entire day…and my tummy has been all crampy - is this normal?

But i am LOVING the AD…i think i have finally found what I’ve been looking for …and with the ABBH II program i am having a great time getting in shape…

I’ve been keeping cals between 12 and 15 x BW and in 2 weeks I’ve already dropped about 6lbs(152 to 146) and i was WAY stronger at the gym today than normal… can’t wait to see what the next 6-8 weeks bring…hoping I’ll hit the 130’s before the end of summer…[/quote]

Atta-girl, Kari!

The crampy-tummy scenario may be a result of your carb-up food choices.
Do yourself a favor and keep track of what you consume and when.
This is when you start to learn more about yourself than you might have wanted to know–

;^)

As for the tired feeling…same thing.

You can get through a carb-up without the carb-crash…or “couch-coma” as it’s sometimes called.
It just takes a while to ‘dial it in’ …that’s all.

Glad to hear you’re doing so splendidly!

That’s always good to hear!

peace

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak

You had me at steak.

hahaha. good one there. I’ve never had a McGriddle…rarely eat at McDonalds…are they any good?

[/quote]

They are amazing. I haven’t been to McDonalds in a while myself(probably 3 times in the past 2 years), but I have gotten McGriddle knock offs from SAMS Club. They are just as delicious and make a nice little cheat meal on the loads every now and then with a Monstrous bowl(or two) of Fruity Pebbles. MMMMMMM.

8 sandwiches, frozen.
550 calories per stacker (300 from fat); 48gm carbs; 16gm protein.

Members Mark brand. Sausage, egg & cheese between 2 pancakes baked with a taste of maple syrup. 2-3 minutes to microwave a hot, delicious breakfast.

Best, UE

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

A Good Multivitamin

Which multivitamin do you use and/or recommend?[/quote]

I am currently using Ultra Mega Gold w/out iron from GNC and supplement with an antioxidant on work-out days. This along with the foods I eat on the diet(meats and greens)more than meets all the requirements put forth by the Dr. D in the AD. I have used others before and have found that as long as you go with any PREMIUM Multi, you will be fine.

Best, UE

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On the carb coma, crap feeling all day post. I am still a newbie to this style of eating, but I would like to contribute if it could help. What works for me is starting my carb up with complex carbs and getting more into the crap carbs towards the end of the day. Works well when evening hits and friends want you to get tanked and eat pizza.

Also I have noticed is that every carb up is easier. I’m set on the AD as my way of eating for the long haul. On a sidenote Angel food cake with strawberries and whipped cream owns my weekend soul. peace out

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[quote]Underestimated wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

A Good Multivitamin

Which multivitamin do you use and/or recommend?

I am currently using Ultra Mega Gold w/out iron from GNC and supplement with an antioxidant on work-out days. This along with the foods I eat on the diet(meats and greens)more than meets all the requirements put forth by the Dr. D in the AD. I have used others before and have found that as long as you go with any PREMIUM Multi, you will be fine.

Best, UE [/quote]

     Hey Under, what's up?

A while back you reminded me and everyone else of the free foods listed in the good Dr.'s Metabolic Diet book.

   So he listed a few veggies, but he was specific in their names...
Is that a biggie, or not?

Like for instance, the celery was listed as “Pascal Type” wtf?
cucumbers-generic no problem there, Lettuce- “Butterhead” wtf?
cabbage- chinese, ok cool. And the rest are good to go…parsley, pickles, radishes and sauerkraut-oh boy…

     Anyway, this might sound lame, but do those specificly mentioned ones make for a big deal, or can you pyledrive any red leaf or romaine type lettuce, and celery as well?

     Happy to discover this through your post, just looking for a bit of clarification on those ones..

      My gig is going excellent. fourth week carb up all done. Very nicely done/. 
     thanks for any help on this
        ToneBone
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I’m going to start the AD soon, and have been reading the book in PDF format. I like eating low carb, and generally feel better on a low carb diet, but have only eaten that way while on a calorie deficit. I look forward to trying it with a caloric surplus. I have a few questions about the high carb days and I can’t find the answers in the book.

Why is protein intake so low on high carb days? I weigh 210lbs, and if I follow the percentages outlined in the book, he would have me consume only 140 grams of protein on weekends.

I’ve been consuming more than 1g per pound of LBM for a while, and cutting my protein intake almost in half would be strange. Fat intake on high carb days also seemed high, at 25-30%. I thought it was bad to consume carbs and fat at the same time. Is this just to make the weekends easier for those who want to stuff their faces with Krispy Kream and Little Debbies, or are there health reasons for lowering the protein intake?

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[quote]Get Stoked wrote:
On the carb coma, crap feeling all day post. I am still a newbie to this style of eating, but I would like to contribute if it could help. What works for me is starting my carb up with complex carbs and getting more into the crap carbs towards the end of the day. Works well when evening hits and friends want you to get tanked and eat pizza.

Also I have noticed is that every carb up is easier. I’m set on the AD as my way of eating for the long haul. On a sidenote Angel food cake with strawberries and whipped cream owns my weekend soul. peace out[/quote]

i would suggest after workout when u start u carb up start with simple carbs like sutge or gatorade for the first 3 meals and then switch to complex carbs …

if u want to cheat keep a rule of 80% clean sources and 20% cheat maybe some icecream and pizza and all that stuff and yes …in end of the carb load u can have a simple carb eal again infact that will help u to drop the blood sugar and switch back to using fat again

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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
krew wrote:
hello all…

coming to the end of my first carb up weekend and let me tell you…i am soooo tired…i’ve been draggin my butt the entire day…and my tummy has been all crampy - is this normal?

But i am LOVING the AD…i think i have finally found what I’ve been looking for …and with the ABBH II program i am having a great time getting in shape…

I’ve been keeping cals between 12 and 15 x BW and in 2 weeks I’ve already dropped about 6lbs(152 to 146) and i was WAY stronger at the gym today than normal… can’t wait to see what the next 6-8 weeks bring…hoping I’ll hit the 130’s before the end of summer…

Atta-girl, Kari!

The crampy-tummy scenario may be a result of your carb-up food choices.
Do yourself a favor and keep track of what you consume and when.
This is when you start to learn more about yourself than you might have wanted to know–

;^)

As for the tired feeling…same thing.

You can get through a carb-up without the carb-crash…or “couch-coma” as it’s sometimes called.
It just takes a while to ‘dial it in’ …that’s all.

Glad to hear you’re doing so splendidly!

That’s always good to hear!

peace[/quote]

I started my carb load with complex carbs and ended with simple - my original idea was to try to eat as clean as possible but didn’t go too well…i had birthday cake - lots of it…and cookies…and i know exactly when my body has had too many carbs becuase i get this sensation that I am bruised all over…it usually starts with my abs and back and then moves to my legs but I didn’t let it get to my legs but i’m holding about 5-6lbs of water right now - can definately feel it in the tummy …

I’m thinking next weekend I’m going to do 36hours instead of the 48hours…

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:

     Hey Under, what's up?

A while back you reminded me and everyone else of the free foods listed in the good Dr.'s Metabolic Diet book.

   So he listed a few veggies, but he was specific in their names...
Is that a biggie, or not?

Like for instance, the celery was listed as “Pascal Type” wtf?
cucumbers-generic no problem there, Lettuce- “Butterhead” wtf?
cabbage- chinese, ok cool. And the rest are good to go…parsley, pickles, radishes and sauerkraut-oh boy…

     Anyway, this might sound lame, but do those specificly mentioned ones make for a big deal, or can you pyledrive any red leaf or romaine type lettuce, and celery as well?

     Happy to discover this through your post, just looking for a bit of clarification on those ones..

      My gig is going excellent. fourth week carb up all done. Very nicely done/. 
     thanks for any help on this
        ToneBone[/quote]

Hey Tone,

Nice to hear the progress and I understand your concern totally on the veggies. Alot of people want to make sure that they aren’t compromising the diet due to these types of things. As far as the Butterhead goes, it is totally free as in zero carbs. There is a difference in the others(Romaine, Iceberg, Leaf, etc.), but it is negligible. From experience and research I can assure you that eating all varieties will not harm your progress on the diet and do not need to be counted. That is not to say that eating five 2 lb. bags isn’t going to change the dynamic of your diet, but at that level you should be more concerned with the amount of time you will be spending on the toilet. LOL. Now as far as the celery, any is fine as well. Piledrive away Bro.

By the way how was the show?

Best, UE

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

Why is protein intake so low on high carb days? I weigh 210lbs, and if I follow the percentages outlined in the book, he would have me consume only 140 grams of protein on weekends.

[/quote]

That may be true…but in general (at least if not cutting/dieting), you protein on low CHO days is very high. When I was bulking, I was getting in 2.5 times my bodyweight in protien.

Basically, the protein you take in during the week more than compensates for the lack of protein on the weekend.

this is just in laymans terms though…as I don’t know the entire science behind it.

AD

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thanks Pauli D for the advice. i’ll try to cook spinach in some kind of scrambled egg type thing. and i’ll check out the Greens+ when i get a chance. i almost bought some of that stuff at GNC a couple of months ago and was curious. can anybody tell me what the regular flavor Greens+ powder tastes like?