My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
5822 
         Hey how about this one...

So I’m getting close to my fourth carb up this weekend. I want to accelerate the fat loss, as I was cutting when I started, and obviously put that on hold till adapted and have been cruising the last two weeks…

        So I want to ramp shit up now. My question for all of you is this: How many drop calories from fat percentage only, vs. how many drop the cals evenly across the board btw all three macro's?
     
   I know in his book, the good Dr. says it's ok to just drop em straight from the fats, so just wondering if we all agree on that...

          I have been at around 3000 cals on the carb ups, and around 2200-2500 during the week.

       I look forward to the AD veterans chimin in on this shit beeaacchh......lol. later guys,   ToneBone
5823

every one intrested in fat loss this article will help specially abt the carb loads its in detail and with refrences Carbing Up on the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet

though ours is not a keto diet …still the guidelines can be used for carbing up

5824

I’d only drop fat. The reason you drop the fat is because now that your body is used to burning fat for fuel you can now drop fat off the diet and it burns your bodyfat for fuel.

You should also lower the carb up to one day or even one or two meals. That is assuming you have had 48 hour carb ups up to now.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:

         Hey how about this one...

So I’m getting close to my fourth carb up this weekend. I want to accelerate the fat loss, as I was cutting when I started, and obviously put that on hold till adapted and have been cruising the last two weeks…

        So I want to ramp shit up now. My question for all of you is this: How many drop calories from fat percentage only, vs. how many drop the cals evenly across the board btw all three macro's?
     
   I know in his book, the good Dr. says it's ok to just drop em straight from the fats, so just wondering if we all agree on that...

          I have been at around 3000 cals on the carb ups, and around 2200-2500 during the week.

       I look forward to the AD veterans chimin in on this shit beeaacchh......lol. later guys,   ToneBone[/quote]
5825

Carry on as usual, but make sure you are getting only 30g for the next two weeks. You should still adapt fine.

[quote]Smoochy wrote:
Do you think that I should start over and do the 12 day phase again or should I just carb up this weekend and carry on as usual?

Any advice you all can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[/quote]

5826

[quote]StandTall wrote:
I’d only drop fat. The reason you drop the fat is because now that your body is used to burning fat for fuel you can now drop fat off the diet and it burns your bodyfat for fuel.

You should also lower the carb up to one day or even one or two meals. That is assuming you have had 48 hour carb ups up to now.

        Hey Stand, thanks for chimin in.. Yeah, well I already knew that you're "supposed" to drop it from the fat, I just wanted to see if the majority did it that way, as a couple people were telling me difft...

       I will do it like that, just keep the % at least at 40% of the total correct?

       Don't know why a few were telling me difft, except maybe they thought that in the early stages it would keep from losing the fat burning mechanism, I don't know.
       Anyway, thanks, I'll drop the carb up to just one day as well.

        cheers mate, ToneBone
5827

Thanks for your help :slight_smile:

[quote]StandTall wrote:
Carry on as usual, but make sure you are getting only 30g for the next two weeks. You should still adapt fine.
Smoochy wrote:
Do you think that I should start over and do the 12 day phase again or should I just carb up this weekend and carry on as usual?

Any advice you all can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[/quote]

5828

Something that I found useful on carb-ups while cutting was to mix in a few with very low protein intake and higher fat intake along with the carbs. Sounds a little nuts but according to Dr. D this can really enhance protein sparing mechanisms and make it even easier to hold onto muscle mass.

I plan on taking this approach quite a bit more in the future to see how I really react to it. The science appears to be sound and I usually like to vary parameters to keep the diet interesting and my system guessing as to how much fat and how many calories will be coming in.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
StandTall wrote:
I’d only drop fat. The reason you drop the fat is because now that your body is used to burning fat for fuel you can now drop fat off the diet and it burns your bodyfat for fuel.

You should also lower the carb up to one day or even one or two meals. That is assuming you have had 48 hour carb ups up to now.

        Hey Stand, thanks for chimin in.. Yeah, well I already knew that you're "supposed" to drop it from the fat, I just wanted to see if the majority did it that way, as a couple people were telling me difft...

       I will do it like that, just keep the % at least at 40% of the total correct?

       Don't know why a few were telling me difft, except maybe they thought that in the early stages it would keep from losing the fat burning mechanism, I don't know.
       Anyway, thanks, I'll drop the carb up to just one day as well.

        cheers mate, ToneBone[/quote]
5829

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!!

I’m not sure what’s up with your pee. I would recommend you drink plenty of water though. High levels of fat and protein can raise blood ph. Also make sure you get that 30g of carbs in on the low carb days. Weird breath can be a sign of ketosis. Remember its going to take some time for your body to adapt to the AD.

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

And do we really want to know how you found this out? :stuck_out_tongue:

AD[/quote]

Lol…nothing bad, I just tried searching on this site after I posted my original question, and found something about asparagus and urine on some thread here. Then I googled it to make sure, asked some close co workers, and bam, new knowledge =)

5830

[quote]Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

Good work detective i0wny0uall. You’re the Sherlock Holmes of the AD.[/quote]

Awesome. Only three weeks in and I already have a nifty title. Thanks!

5831 
         Hey Photoguy,

funny you mention that, I saw that too, and have kind of fluctuated a bit during the past weeks like that. I think I’ll mix it a bit like that also during these next few weeks of cutting now. I’ll keep you informed as to how it goes.

         I know he was saying that some of his bodybuilder clients had very postitive results from that bit of experimenting w/the fat/protein ratios during cuts...

    Cool, thanks for reminding me of that. Happy fourth to you and everybody else! Just got done w/frnt/side delts and thighs. 
   time for that bcaa pumped post shake...yummy time..
           peace guys,
          ToneBone
5832

[quote]raviraj wrote:
every one intrested in fat loss this article will help specially abt the carb loads its in detail and with refrences Carbing Up on the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet

though ours is not a keto diet …still the guidelines can be used for carbing up [/quote]

I’ve read this before and personally think it’s a good approach only I take in more fat. I like his carb levels. I read lots of Lyle McDonald’s stuff. Unfortunately he doesn’t have the physique to back up his claims. I found his Bodyopus log interesting but he never did the carbups correctly. The logs were detailed and well documented but the diet was done half assed.

5833

[quote]Photo Guy wrote:
Something that I found useful on carb-ups while cutting was to mix in a few with very low protein intake and higher fat intake along with the carbs. Sounds a little nuts but according to Dr. D this can really enhance protein sparing mechanisms and make it even easier to hold onto muscle mass.

[/quote]

Good advice coming from one of the AD vets. I do the same thing although I’m not cutting. It does seem a little nuts but thats how the doctor describes it. I go down on the pro and up on the carbs.

5834

[quote]StandTall wrote:
I’d only drop fat. The reason you drop the fat is because now that your body is used to burning fat for fuel you can now drop fat off the diet and it burns your bodyfat for fuel.

You should also lower the carb up to one day or even one or two meals. That is assuming you have had 48 hour carb ups up to now.

[/quote]

Wow one or two carb meals. Wouldn’t this make your workouts suffer? I’d think you’d lose muscle doing this but I’ve never tried it so I can’t say. I though having more of a carbup would kick your metabolism back up, and lowering you weekday levels even more would help cut fat.

5835

HEHE 5,900!!!

I’ve had some pretty short carb-ups in the past (12 hours or so) but the key thing is to listen to your body and not stop the carb-up until you start to smooth out…then stop immediately.

One thing about the AD is that the more you learn about the diet, the more you’ll learn about what works for you.

If you’re going to do a shorter carb load make sure you’re taking in hi-GI carbs to be sure you’re topping up the tank.

Carbs aren’t the enemy in this lifestyle, they’re a tool! You WANT to take in carbs to take advantage of the hormonal cascade that’s associated with the carb up while in a depleated state. If you’re cutting you just need to be mindful of the carbs so that you don’t spill over and have it stored as fat…when you smooth out, your carb up is over.

[quote]Hagar wrote:
StandTall wrote:
I’d only drop fat. The reason you drop the fat is because now that your body is used to burning fat for fuel you can now drop fat off the diet and it burns your bodyfat for fuel.

You should also lower the carb up to one day or even one or two meals. That is assuming you have had 48 hour carb ups up to now.

Wow one or two carb meals. Wouldn’t this make your workouts suffer? I’d think you’d lose muscle doing this but I’ve never tried it so I can’t say. I though having more of a carbup would kick your metabolism back up, and lowering you weekday levels even more would help cut fat.[/quote]

5836

Has anyone tried any of the DiPasquale supplements? I was looking at the Exersol and NitAbol packages, but the prices are pretty steep. I’d like to get some more info before shelling out that much dinero. Especially since the ingredients aren’t listed on the site.

5837

[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Has anyone tried any of the DiPasquale supplements? I was looking at the Exersol and NitAbol packages, but the prices are pretty steep. I’d like to get some more info before shelling out that much dinero. Especially since the ingredients aren’t listed on the site. [/quote]

    Hey Brant, I'm with you, while they look really quality, and I believe they work, they're so damn expensive that they just don't fit into the budget.. too bad, kind of sucks, I'm sure they don't have to be that much, but that's what happens...

      Hey chime in on em though, if you end up tryin one or two.
It could work if you narrowed down which one gives the most bang for the buck eh?
            ToneBone
5838

I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

Resolve

Serving Size: 4 Tablets
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving:
Vitamin A (as palmitate): 2,500IU
B6 10mg 500%
Folic Acid 400mcg 100%
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid): 250mg 417%
Calcium (as calcium phosphate, dibasic): 250mg 25%
Potassium 99mg 1%
Magnesium 125mg 31%
Chromium (as CHROMEMATE polynicotinate): 100mcg 83%
Copper 100mcg 5%
Zinc 15mg 100%
Boron 3mg
Caffeine USP: 99mg
Resolve: Alpha lipoic acid, aspartate, banaba extract, beta ecdysterone, calcium pyruvate, carnosine, cayenne, choline bitartrate, cinnamon bark, co-enzyme q10, cordyceps sisesis extract, deer antler velvet extract, DMAE bitartrate, DMG, ginger, glutathione, green tea extract, guarana extract, inosine, kola nut extract, l-alanine, l-arginine alpha ketoglutarate, l-arginine aspartate, l-carnitine fumerate lecithin, l-histidine, l-phenylanine, l-tyrosine, magnesium octadecanoate, 5-methyl methoxy isoflavone, melatonin, mucuna pruiens extact, NAC, panax ginseng extract, prickly pear extract, potassium succinate, silicon dioxide, taurine, theobroma cocoa complex, wheat germ extract, white willow bark.
Other Ingredients:
Cellulose, stearic acid, modified cellulose gum, hydroxypropylmethyl cellulose.
Directions: Two to four tablets 15 minutes to half an hour before training.

Power Drink

Serving Size: 2 Rounded Scoops (44g)
Servings Per Container: 14
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 160
-Calories from fat: 10
Total fat: 1g 2%
-Saturated fat: 0.5g 3%
Cholesterol: 25mg 8%
Total carbohydrates: 3.5g 1%
-Sugars: 2g
Protein: 32g 64%
Calcium: 80mg 8%
Phosphorus: 80mg 8%
Magnesium: 110mg 30%
Sodium: 150mg 6%
Potassium: 140mg 4%
Glutamine Peptide: 3000mg
Creatine: 1000mg
Taurine: 1000mg
Arginine: 500mg
Leucine: 500mg
D-Ribose: 100mg
Other Ingredients:
Ion exchange whey protien isolate, whey protein concentrate, glycerine, carnosine, natural flavors, citric acid, beet powder for color, sucralose and xylitol.
Directions: Mix 2 rounded scoops of dry powder with 22oz. of water, stir or shake well to dissolve.

Amino

Serving Size: 10 Tablets
Servings Per Container: 15
Amount Per Serving:
Vitamin B12: 50mcg 833%
Biotin: 50mcg 16.5%
Chromium: 25mcg 21%
Selenium: 25mcg 36%
Histidine: 650mg
Isoleucine: 700mg
Leucine: 1200mg
Lysine: 900mg
Methionine: 250mg
Phenylalanine: 900mg
Threonine: 900mg
Valine: 700mg
Taurine: 500mg
Alanine: 250
Glycine: 250mg
Serine: 250mg
Alpha lipoic acid (ala): 100mg
Amino Proprietary Complex: 3000mg:
Glutamine peptides
Arginine aspartate
Potassium succinate
Magnesium fumarate
Calcium alpha ketoglutarate
AMP (adenosine monophosphate)
Other Ingredients:
Cellulose, stearic acid, modified cellulose gum, hydroxyproplmethyl cellulose, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide.
Directions: Take 10 quick release tablets with water within 15 minutes of completing a training session.

Myosin Protein

Serving Size: 2 Rounded Scoops
Servings Per Container: 24
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 140
Calories from Fat: 10
Total Fat: 1g 2%
Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 10mg 3%
Sodium: 229mg 9%
Potassium: 230mg 7%
Total Carbohydrates: 3g 1%
Dietary Fiber: Less than 1g 3%
Sugars: Less than 1g
Protein: 30g 60%
Glutamine Peptides: 3.8g
Ingredients:
Protein blend (ion exchange whey protein isolate, milk protein isolate, egg albumin, calcium caseinate, potassium caseinate, sodium caseinate, whey protein concentrate, and soy protein isolate), enzymatically hydrolzed whey gluten (as a source of glutamine peptides), cocoa, natural flavors, carrageenan, xylitol and sucralose.
Directions: Stir one to four level scoops of dry powder (19 to 76 grams) with 8-16 ounces of water or your favorite beverage.

Testoboost

Serving Size: 4 Tablets
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving:
Vitamin A: 2000IU 46%
Beta Carotene: 5000IU 100%
Vitamin C: 100mg 167%
Vitamin E: 100IU 333%
Vitamin B6: 25mg 1250%
Vitamin B12: 100mcg 1667%
Niacin: 10mg 50%
Magnesium: 150mg 38%
Manganese: 2mg 100%
Zinc: 10mg 67%
Bioperine: 5mg
Co-enzyme Q10: 10mg
Boron: 3mg
Tribulus Terresteris: 450mg
Steroidal saponins: 180mg
TestoBoost Proprietary Blend: 5333mg
5-Methyl Methoxy Isoflavone, Acety L-Carntine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Aspartate, Avena Sativa, Borage Oil (GLA), Calcium-D-Glucarate, Calcium Phosphate, Catuaba Bark, Cellulose Fiber & Gum, Chasteberry (Vitex Agnus-Castus), Chrysin, Coleus Forskohlii (Forskohlin), Damiana, Deer Antler, Eurycoma Longfolia, Genistein, Ginger Root, Indole-3-Carbinol, Ipriflavone, Maca, Magnesium Octadecanoate, Muira Puama, Passion Flower, Prickly Pear Extract, Quercin Dihydrate, Saw Palmetto, Schisandra Chinensis, Stinging Nettle, Suma (Beta Ecdysone), Turmeric.
Other Ingredients:
Stearic Acid.
Directions: Four tablets per day. Can be taken at one time or two tablets twice a day, before training and/or before bed.

GHboost

Serving Size: 3 Tablets
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving:
Vitamin C: 500mg 833%
Vitamin B6: 5mg 1,250%
Zinc : 10mg 67%
Niacin: 10mg 10%
Acetyl L-carnitine HCL: 500mg
GSH: 100mg
??(reduced glutathione)
Velvet Bean extract: 100mg
L-dopa: 15mg
Bovine Colostrum: 250mg
Immunoglobulins: 63mg
CDP Choline: 200mg
Coleus forskohlii root extract: 125mg
Forskohlin: 10mg
GABA: 200mg
??(gamma-amino-butyric acid)
L-glutamine: 100mg
L-glycine: 200mg
L-arginine pyroglutamate: 500mg
L-lysine: 200mg
L-orthinine HCL: 200mg
Turmeric Root: 100mg
Protykin: 100mcg
Reveratol: 50mcg
Other Ingredients:
Cellulose, stearic acid, modified cellulose gum, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide.
Directions: Take 3 tablets before bed.

5839

[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
I managed to track down the ingedients list. Enjoy the read.

[/quote]

I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak

Chicken

Eggs

Ground Beef

Tuna

Turkey

Steak

Cheese

Walnuts

Pecans

Almonds

Steak

Ham(real)

Lettuce

Celery

Cucumbers

EVOO

Steak

Spices

A Good Multivitamin

And every so often(hint, hint): fruit, oats, rice, pasta, potatoes, corn, bread, cakes, cookies, Fruity Pebbles, Doozies, McGriddles, and AHHH I’m rambling. You get the picture. Oh, and did I mention steak.

Best, UE

5840

[quote]Underestimated wrote:
I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak [/quote]

You had me at steak.

5841

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
I prefer food. The ingredients are as follows:

Steak

You had me at steak.

[/quote]

hahaha. good one there. I’ve never had a McGriddle…rarely eat at McDonalds…are they any good?