My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]richo1980 wrote:
Another quick one, has anyone noticed an increase in skin oilyness on AD? just noticed that today (end day 6), my skin is quite oily, especially shoulders and back… maybe increased T?? sort of feels like when i was a teenager :slight_smile:

richo[/quote]

I’m on Day 6 as well and have noticed the exact same thing - but more so on my face and shoulders - 2 other things that I’ve noticed - i’m itchy alot and I’ve gotten the hicups 4 times this week which i NEVER do…dunno if it’s connected - just things i’ve noticed…

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[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
Dude, it’s 12 days <30g CHO a day, then carb up, then 5 <30, carb up, and so forth…you need to get one of the books, at least the original AD. There was a link a while back to the original, think it was page 216…

      READ THAT at least before you start, or you will be wasting your time, you need to know all the macro ratios, proper carb up etc.
       good luck, ToneBone

Well the orginial book doesnt mention the 12 day induction although newer ones do.

As far as flattening, thats pretty simple later on in the week when you low on glycogen your muscles wont be as full or pumped as during or right after carb up. Although taking glutamine, creatine and finding a good balance between sodium and water can help… dif people respond dif… Although Thib and others have suggested glycerine to stop flattening on low carbs diets.

However, did you possibly mean how do I know when I’m filling out/spilling over in relation to carb loads?[/quote]

Yah I did read the old one and it didn’t specify about the 12 day deal. Thanks for answering that though. And yes I’m asking in regards to carb loads and when I know I’m spilling over.

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[quote]richo1980 wrote:
Hagar wrote:
richo1980 wrote:
I am currently eating about gram for gram P and F, roughly 30:70, and as close to zero carbs as possible. Have registered on Ketostix after about day 3, but have never eaten many carbs. I couldn’t live without having milk in my tea though. Thanks for reading and any thoughts. I will endeavor to do my best to contribute where i can. richie

So you’re in ketosis?

Yeah, have been pretty consistently since about day 3, which i thought was pretty early on, and by the sounds of things i should be trying to avoid this? After 5 days was down 1.5 kg on the scales presumably just fluid at this stage?

Have noticed that my stomach has seemed to have ‘pulled in’ as to speak, but can’t notice any skinfold change, maybe i’m expecting too much for anything to have changed much yet, but have never had to diet before.

Have been trying to do about 300g each of P and F per day and only having as much CHO as the milk in say 4 cups of tea.[/quote]

Let me be the first to tell you your not on the Anabolic Diet. If your doing the 12 introduction I recommend you start over because you’ve been doing it wrong.

The Dr. specifically says DO NOT go into ketosis. Your supposed to eat 30g carbs a day to keep you out of ketosis. There’s a bunch of who have said this already, but I’ll say it again. On the AD you adapt to burning triglycerides not ketones.

Ketosis prolong fat adaptation since they are metabolized in a different way than glycerol. Do you have the book? have you read this thread? What are your goals?

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question - should I be getting a proportion of sat, poly and mono fats or does it matter? I’m finding that i’m getting about 40% of fats from saturated, 40% from Mono and only 20% from poly…should i be trying to keep the sources even ?

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Let me be the first to tell you your not on the Anabolic Diet. If your doing the 12 introduction I recommend you start over because you’ve been doing it wrong.

The Dr. specifically says DO NOT go into ketosis. Your supposed to eat 30g carbs a day to keep you out of ketosis. There’s a bunch of who have said this already, but I’ll say it again. On the AD you adapt to burning triglycerides not ketones.

Ketosis prolong fat adaptation since they are metabolized in a different way than glycerol. Do you have the book? have you read this thread? What are your goals? [/quote]

I have a pdf of what i think is an early version of the anabolic diet, fairly sure there wasn’t much mention of do/don’t ketosis, main reason i was wondering. Early on in this thread there little mention of ketosis, just more recently. So to jump out of ketosis, just up the carbs to 30grams and all should be ok? could i do this with one dose, or divided up over the day?

I aim to lose maybe 5-7kg of fat, then continue to increase strength and lean mass, managed to aquire a bit of a jelly belly after about a 2 month see-food diet that needs to be rectified. I intend to compete in some local powerlifting meets within the next year or so. So strength increases will be important, hence query about AD for PL book.

thanks, richie

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[quote]richo1980 wrote:
Let me be the first to tell you your not on the Anabolic Diet. If your doing the 12 introduction I recommend you start over because you’ve been doing it wrong.

The Dr. specifically says DO NOT go into ketosis. Your supposed to eat 30g carbs a day to keep you out of ketosis. There’s a bunch of who have said this already, but I’ll say it again. On the AD you adapt to burning triglycerides not ketones.

Ketosis prolong fat adaptation since they are metabolized in a different way than glycerol. Do you have the book? have you read this thread? What are your goals?

I have a pdf of what i think is an early version of the anabolic diet, fairly sure there wasn’t much mention of do/don’t ketosis, main reason i was wondering. Early on in this thread there little mention of ketosis, just more recently. So to jump out of ketosis, just up the carbs to 30grams and all should be ok? could i do this with one dose, or divided up over the day?

I aim to lose maybe 5-7kg of fat, then continue to increase strength and lean mass, managed to aquire a bit of a jelly belly after about a 2 month see-food diet that needs to be rectified. I intend to compete in some local powerlifting meets within the next year or so. So strength increases will be important, hence query about AD for PL book.

thanks, richie[/quote]

Well if you goal is to cut than there’s nothing too wrong with ketosis as long as you don’t carbup correctly on the weekends. I you want to go this route I Bodyopus worked good for me but it is extremely structured. If you want do the AD later and put on some muscle I’d just start now and add 30g of carbs a day. It doesn’t matter when or how you eat them. I would avoid simple sugars like dextrose since they spike up and rapidly drop off blood sugar and you can fall back into ketosis later in the day. Personally I think you should add the 30g of carbs and start the AD now and get truly fat adapted (it takes about 6 months) so later you can use it for strength gains. I got the same PDF version of the AD and he says to add carbs 30g a day. I’d reread over it one more time so you get right.

Also go back 10 or so pages and there’s a quote from the doctor all about this. If someone mentions going into ketosis on the AD I would ignore what they say.

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[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:

Yah I did read the old one and it didn’t specify about the 12 day deal. Thanks for answering that though. And yes I’m asking in regards to carb loads and when I know I’m spilling over.
[/quote]

I think that the only special thing about 12 days “exactly” is the math. It is 12 days from Monday to the Friday next week. I think 12 is just to get people to skip the first carb up. The real amount of time probably differs from person to person but is usually more than the normal 5 days in a 5/2 week.

It might even be 10 days and we will all be ok but that doesn’t fit in with a typical Monday - Friday low carb and sat sun carb up so they say 12. And ppl being ppl most diets start on a Monday :wink: (or on Jan 1st lol )

So to help people be successful the magic number 12 was created.

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Well if you goal is to cut than there’s nothing too wrong with ketosis as long as you don’t carbup correctly on the weekends. I you want to go this route I Bodyopus worked good for me but it is extremely structured.

If you want do the AD later and put on some muscle I’d just start now and add 30g of carbs a day. It doesn’t matter when or how you eat them. I would avoid simple sugars like dextrose since they spike up and rapidly drop off blood sugar and you can fall back into ketosis later in the day.

Personally I think you should add the 30g of carbs and start the AD now and get truly fat adapted (it takes about 6 months) so later you can use it for strength gains. I got the same PDF version of the AD and he says to add carbs 30g a day. I’d reread over it one more time so you get right.

Also go back 10 or so pages and there’s a quote from the doctor all about this. If someone mentions going into ketosis on the AD I would ignore what they say.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, will add some carbs, i presume lactose is still too fast acting? Would love to be able to simply drink appropriate amount of milk and be sorted for carbs, but that would have to be too easy… maybe half a slice of brown bread or something 2x a day…?

I think i slipped into ketosis fairly quickly especially since i do no cardio, so maybe the approach is to try this and pee on ketostix during the day to ensure i’m not… on a re-read saw that some people can handle more carbs than others, could this mean that some people actually require more to stay out ketosis? Or could increasing protein % and decreasing fat % a bit also help to keep ketosis at bay?

Saw in Lyle McDonald papers that the ketogenic potential of a meal increases as the % fat increases, so working bacward, more protein, less fat should equal less ketosis?? back ward logic from downunder or a possibility?

Regarding training, are there any types/style of training that seem to work better/worse with this style of eating? I generally do 3-4 days, once per week per body part, for roughly 5-6 work sets (read: fair dinkum sets) around 4-6 reps for first 3, then maybe 8-10 reps for assistance exercises focussing on Squat, bench and deadlift, and then a pick up anything i was slack on day. thanks again for advice, its hard to find decent advice where i live,

Richo

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[quote]richo1980 wrote:

Thanks for the advice, will add some carbs, i presume lactose is still too fast acting? Would love to be able to simply drink appropriate amount of milk and be sorted for carbs, but that would have to be too easy… maybe half a slice of brown bread or something 2x a day…? [/quote]

You can do this. I was referring to slamming some 30 g of sugar post workout.

[quote]
I think i slipped into ketosis fairly quickly especially since i do no cardio, so maybe the approach is to try this and pee on ketostix during the day to ensure i’m not… on a re-read saw that some people can handle more carbs than others, could this mean that some people actually require more to stay out ketosis? Or could increasing protein % and decreasing fat % a bit also help to keep ketosis at bay? [/quote]

It seems some can handle more. Me, I’ve never hit ketosis on the AD, but its gets easier to hit ketosis the higher fat and the lower protein.

Exactly

[quote]Regarding training, are there any types/style of training that seem to work better/worse with this style of eating? I generally do 3-4 days, once per week per body part, for roughly 5-6 work sets (read: fair dinkum sets) around 4-6 reps for first 3, then maybe 8-10 reps for assistance exercises focussing on Squat, bench and deadlift, and then a pick up anything i was slack on day. thanks again for advice, its hard to find decent advice where i live,

Richo[/quote]

Your workout looks good. I lift just like I always did. Some guys like the Chad Waterbury program. I’m sure its effective but I don’t really like it the whole 10x3 thing (no offense Chad).

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Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!!

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Hey guys!

How do you eat flaxseeds ?

Cheers!

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[quote]silvatomas wrote:
Hey guys!

How do you eat flaxseeds ?

Cheers![/quote]

Well they are decent on salads or shakes (not post workout, just more like MRP shakes) I don’t like them in fruity flavored shakes and think they kinda ruin the flavor…but the best shake/flax thing is eat everynight before bed is:

cottage cheese
chocolate protein powder or vanilla protein with 100% pure dark cocoa
ground flax seeds (buy them unground though so they keep better)
carlson’s orange liquid fish oil

try it!

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Smoochy wrote:
Hi guys…just wondering if someone could give me some advice with this??

Thanks,
Steph

Hello everyone - I have read several pages of this thread and love, love, love it…

I started the AD 19 days ago and will be starting my second carb up tonight. I just realized that I messed up and I am wondering if I can get some advice?

I have been pretty diligent about keeping my carbs at 30g (or so I thought I was). I just realized that the Emergen-C that I put in my water has 5g of carbs.

I don’t know why I thought it had 0 carbs but because of this I estimate I have been over by about 15g/day this past week. Do you think that I should start over and do the 12 day phase again or should I just carb up this weekend and carry on as usual?

Any advice you all can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks![/quote]

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The reason i asked was because i’m at the 9th day and for the past 7 days i ate almost no fiber. Then on day 8 and 9 i hate 20grams of fiber, mostly from RAW flaxseed. Today (day 9) i’ve gonne 4 times to the toilet and i’m shitting myself like hell! I can even see the flaxseed in my poo :smiley:

Which means they aren’t being digested, i think.

So anyone eats them RAW and in whole ?

Thanks!

PS. I eat them with a tablespoon and some glasses of water to push it down…

[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
silvatomas wrote:
Hey guys!

How do you eat flaxseeds ?

Cheers!

Well they are decent on salads or shakes (not post workout, just more like MRP shakes) I don’t like them in fruity flavored shakes and think they kinda ruin the flavor…but the best shake/flax thing is eat everynight before bed is:

cottage cheese
chocolate protein powder or vanilla protein with 100% pure dark cocoa
ground flax seeds (buy them unground though so they keep better)
carlson’s orange liquid fish oil

try it![/quote]

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!![/quote]

I’m not sure what’s up with your pee. I would recommend you drink plenty of water though. High levels of fat and protein can raise blood ph. Also make sure you get that 30g of carbs in on the low carb days. Weird breath can be a sign of ketosis. Remember its going to take some time for your body to adapt to the AD.

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[quote]Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!!

I’m not sure what’s up with your pee. I would recommend you drink plenty of water though. High levels of fat and protein can raise blood ph. Also make sure you get that 30g of carbs in on the low carb days. Weird breath can be a sign of ketosis. Remember its going to take some time for your body to adapt to the AD.[/quote]

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!!

I’m not sure what’s up with your pee. I would recommend you drink plenty of water though. High levels of fat and protein can raise blood ph. Also make sure you get that 30g of carbs in on the low carb days. Weird breath can be a sign of ketosis. Remember its going to take some time for your body to adapt to the AD.

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

[/quote]

on that note…ladies and gents! watch out for that sly son-ofa-bitch asparagus!!

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

I know this question has been discussed before, but honestly this thread is too long to go searching for it and I don’t know if its possible to search for terms within a particular thread so here goes…

Just finished my first carb up this weekend, and last night I noticed that my urine has this funky, acidic smell to it. What is this again, and what does it signify?
Btw my breath does not have any weird taste at all at this point.

I’ve only gone over the 30g carb limit once during the 12 day transition, and that was only by maybe 2 grams on the first day; plus my carb total has always been right under 30g during this time. Fat is at least 60% most days with protein also being kind of high (but never over 2x bodyweight).

Again I know this was discussed but digging through 230+ pages is ridiculous! Any help is appreciated!!

I’m not sure what’s up with your pee. I would recommend you drink plenty of water though. High levels of fat and protein can raise blood ph. Also make sure you get that 30g of carbs in on the low carb days. Weird breath can be a sign of ketosis. Remember its going to take some time for your body to adapt to the AD.

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

[/quote]

And do we really want to know how you found this out? :stuck_out_tongue:

AD

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[quote]Smoochy wrote:
Smoochy wrote:
Hi guys…just wondering if someone could give me some advice with this??

Thanks,
Steph

Hello everyone - I have read several pages of this thread and love, love, love it…

I started the AD 19 days ago and will be starting my second carb up tonight. I just realized that I messed up and I am wondering if I can get some advice?

I have been pretty diligent about keeping my carbs at 30g (or so I thought I was). I just realized that the Emergen-C that I put in my water has 5g of carbs.

I don’t know why I thought it had 0 carbs but because of this I estimate I have been over by about 15g/day this past week. Do you think that I should start over and do the 12 day phase again or should I just carb up this weekend and carry on as usual?

Any advice you all can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[/quote]

Did the extra 5g of carbs put you over the 30g/day limit?

If so, I’d say (laymans experience) that you may want to extend the break-in by another 7 days.

Did you crash yet?

AD

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
Hagar wrote:
i0wny0uall wrote:
Hey guys,

Actually, I found the culprit!! Todady, I learned something new: Asparagus can make your pee reeeeak. I had maybe 5 spears of the stuff hours before =)
Case solved.

[/quote]

Good work detective i0wny0uall. You’re the Sherlock Holmes of the AD.