[quote]cobain67 wrote:
What do you guys think about running Sesamin and TTA while on the Anabolic Diet? Being that Sesamin is a potent fatty-acid oxidizer, do you feel it could possibly aid in the transition phase of going from being a carb burner to a fat burner?
Thanks[/quote]
Any thoughts? I want to start the AD as mentioned earlier, but am curious of the above.
Thanks for the help guys.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Hey Biz,
I don’t think it’s the carbs gettin me as I’m pretty anal about them and watch for any hidden shit like a hawk.
I know my body doesn’t like carbs, I can gain fat very fast with just moderate carb ingestion, and you could be right.
Maybe this is what it’s been asking for, for a long time…
I am feeling fine with Friday coming soon, for the carb up. I will give it even one more day so I'm on track to carb up on the weekends.
I am going to continue cutting after "adapted" so I was wondering:
How many of you carb up for 36 hours vs. the full 48 with better results for losing fat. That’s probably what I’ll do to insure that I don’t overcompensate or slow down fat loss progress.
Any thoughts?
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Sounds like you just may have been primed for burning fat as Biz had stated. I believe some people skip the Catabolic Crash based on many factors including, but not limited to availability of free fatty acids either from bodyfat or diet at the time(some people starting off sometimes miss the fat consumption quota), metabolism, hormonal issues, and previous dietary intakes. Some people get the crash, some people don’t. Lucky you so far.
As far as Carb-Up duration for fat loss, you are on the right track with the length vs. cals. I would also have to say though that your activity levels also play a role as well as I am sure others would agree. I have done 12 hours with Dextrose/Malto and fruit w/ olive oil and protein for around 6000 then back to cutting numbers and
I have done the 48 normally sticking to the strict calories for my cut with mostly clean stuff and a cheat, and both have left me jacked and dropping weight. It takes time, but you will learn what works for you based on your circumstances.
By the way, I have been on the AD this time for over 11 months straight and olive oil is like caffeine. I am a Huge EVOO fan and I think it is a CRITICAL part of the diet for beginners and veterans alike. Just my 2 cents.
Best,UE
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
something truely tragic happened today…could barely budge my deadlift…40lbs below my max…it may be my new regime…i havnt gotten enough to eat and sleep the past few days because of my new job and i changed my workouts to a pyramid scheme adding weight till i hit a peak and then work back down to start finishing with a ‘feeder’ set…but yea im worried about my deadlift its my cornerstone :([/quote]
Or it could just be a bad day, you know. Don’t judge it by today’s performance…compare it to later performances as well.
But changing the parameters definately could be a factor.
AD
[quote]cobain67 wrote:
cobain67 wrote:
What do you guys think about running Sesamin and TTA while on the Anabolic Diet? Being that Sesamin is a potent fatty-acid oxidizer, do you feel it could possibly aid in the transition phase of going from being a carb burner to a fat burner?
Thanks
Any thoughts? I want to start the AD as mentioned earlier, but am curious of the above.
Thanks for the help guys.
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I have absolutely no idea what these things are, so I’m afraid I have nothing to say. Wish I did.
AD
This link explains it pretty well. Describes in detail both Sesamin and TTA. Scroll down about 1/2way, as this is where it gets into specifics on the two afformentioned fatty-acids.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
cobain67 wrote:
cobain67 wrote:
What do you guys think about running Sesamin and TTA while on the Anabolic Diet? Being that Sesamin is a potent fatty-acid oxidizer, do you feel it could possibly aid in the transition phase of going from being a carb burner to a fat burner?
Thanks
Any thoughts? I want to start the AD as mentioned earlier, but am curious of the above.
Thanks for the help guys.
I have absolutely no idea what these things are, so I’m afraid I have nothing to say. Wish I did.
AD[/quote]
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
Well… I actually carbload for about 6 hours twice a week. I do it at night because carbs brain fuck me to sleep. For a while I was just doing a 1 day carbup, I’d start when I woke up and then stop when I went to sleep, then that was it for carbs for that week.
I’ve been toying with trying a carbup every other week, kinda like the get shredded diet, but I’m pretty happy doing what I’ve been doing. I’m down to 10% bf and the abs are showing alright. Gonna get very low bf this summer though, probably around 5%, then work my ass off to keep it for a few months before adding muscle again.
But I’ve tried 36 hour carbups, they are alright, I prefer shorter ones myself. Just test it out for a while and see, as long as you don’t go over 48hours you should be fine and able to stay fat adapted.
Alot of people recommend sticking to the diet exactly how it says for a couple months, I didn’t do that because of how much I hated carbups. After my first 48 hour carbup I knew that wasn’t for me so I shrunk the length to 36 hours, then 1 day, and now to what I’m at. Just test stuff out and see what works.[/quote]
Sounds pretty interesting with the two 6 hour carb ups..Good job on the bodyfat% too man..nice.
I have been averaging 3000cals/day, sometimes 3200, sometimes 2900. I definitely need to drop that down, probably go to around 2400 to start, and down from there after the weekend carb up. I'll see how that goes. If you go with 36, then what is that like a full day and a half of one I guess?
Anyhow, thanks for the response, and good luck on hittin 5%, sounds great.
ToneBone
[quote]Underestimated wrote:
Sounds like you just may have been primed for burning fat as Biz had stated. I believe some people skip the Catabolic Crash based on many factors including, but not limited to availability of free fatty acids either from bodyfat or diet at the time(some people starting off sometimes miss the fat consumption quota), metabolism, hormonal issues, and previous dietary intakes. Some people get the crash, some people don’t. Lucky you so far.
As far as Carb-Up duration for fat loss, you are on the right track with the length vs. cals. I would also have to say though that your activity levels also play a role as well as I am sure others would agree. I have done 12 hours with Dextrose/Malto and fruit w/ olive oil and protein for around 6000 then back to cutting numbers and
I have done the 48 normally sticking to the strict calories for my cut with mostly clean stuff and a cheat, and both have left me jacked and dropping weight. It takes time, but you will learn what works for you based on your circumstances.
By the way, I have been on the AD this time for over 11 months straight and olive oil is like caffeine. I am a Huge EVOO fan and I think it is a CRITICAL part of the diet for beginners and veterans alike. Just my 2 cents.
Best,UE [/quote]
UE, thanks great post and very helpful to me. Yeah I hope that I'm lucky like that, but kind of want some sort of crash to justify/verify the adaptation process..
Sounds like you do great on it too. What is EVOO? Oil? Interested in that.. 11 months on, that's great.
Hey was wondering what you and Biz have on a typical weekday, weekend too, as it's always interesting to see how others put it together..
Again thanks to you for a great response.
Best, ToneBone
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Sounds pretty interesting with the two 6 hour carb ups…Good job on the bodyfat% too man…nice.
I have been averaging 3000cals/day, sometimes 3200, sometimes 2900. I definitely need to drop that down, probably go to around 2400 to start, and down from there after the weekend carb up. I’ll see how that goes. If you go with 36, then what is that like a full day and a half of one I guess?
Anyhow, thanks for the response, and good luck on hittin 5%, sounds great.
ToneBone[/quote]
Right, the way I did the 36hours was to start friday night, and then go until saturday night. I usually started it right after my workout. I think I had friday consisting of two carb meals. And then 6 carb meals on saturday.
I remember Doc D said somewhere that no scientific studies had been done to support it but he believed that it would be beneficial. He and poliquin are the same in that you can never really dispute their claims…only point out that the evidence doesn’t exist…yet.
OMC
[quote]ReklaW wrote:
Hey all, great thread. I’m on week 3 for my 2nd cycle on AD.
Does anyone who is involved with endurance sports use AD ?
For example would AD be terrible or great for someone who is training for long distance running?
My idea of long distance is to the fridge and back for protein+fats, but I am curious if anyone in the above position has tried AD and if the science is for or against it.
I know tradition says carbs for long distance, but we all know how well we can trust tradition.
thanks[/quote]
If you don’t crash its because somewhere carbs were sneaking into your diet…or you may be one of the very…very few who won’t crash . Another possibility is your previous diet. Was it low carb?? Based on non starch polysaccharides like broccholi sprouts etc.
Regardless if you don’t crash I’d say just continue on anyway as the crash is jsut a quick way to get your metabolism kicked towards fat burning. It’ll happen eventually regardless and is worth sticking it out for.
OMC
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Hey guys, good morning.
Day 10 for me with no crash in site. I am feeling a lot of energy in the mornings now, like a lot of other guys said, I just pop out of bed now, and that definitely wasn’t the case before.
I feel great, so I hope everythings going ok, some guys took longer to feel the crash I saw on the earlier part of the thread. I am leveled out as far as weight at 190.
Alpha, I usually lose in this order, chin, chest, waist. I’m pretty lean right now, but am looking forward to getting REALLY lean after transition when I cut back some fat cal. I still have a few inches to melt on the ol gut to see abs w/out flexing them.
Well, I am enjoying the lifestyle, would be nice to grab a few carbs this weekend though. Friday will be 13 days, GUYS: should I carb up even if I haven’t “felt” a real crash?
I know that’s the main tell tale sign of flippin the switch, so I was curious if you have to experience it or not…
Thanks for any help.
ToneBone[/quote]
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
Right, the way I did the 36hours was to start friday night, and then go until saturday night. I usually started it right after my workout. I think I had friday consisting of two carb meals. And then 6 carb meals on saturday.
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Ok, that sounds about right to me too. Get a good CHO slam after friday’s workout, and then do it up on Saturday. Works for me, depending on how I feel I could throw in like another half day on Sunday morning if necessary.
Thanks Biz.
[quote]OMC wrote:
If you don’t crash its because somewhere carbs were sneaking into your diet…or you may be one of the very…very few who won’t crash . Another possibility is your previous diet. Was it low carb?? Based on non starch polysaccharides like broccholi sprouts etc.
Regardless if you don’t crash I’d say just continue on anyway as the crash is jsut a quick way to get your metabolism kicked towards fat burning. It’ll happen eventually regardless and is worth sticking it out for.
OMC
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Hmmm, he says he’s very relentless in watching for hidden carbs. I think his body just prefers fats, so after two weeks if he hasn’t crashed, I really don’t think it will happen.
After two weeks of 30g carbs he’s gonna be completely glycogen depleted and the only fuel that will be there to use is protein or fats, and with fats in the diet then the body is gonna use those. Well atleast that’s what DiPasquale says… which I believe whole heartedly.
That’s why I’m pretty sure his body just prefers fats. Do you have any Irish, Viking, or just near that part of the world heritage InTheZone? Also, do you easily get love handles? That’s one indication that you are carb intolerant.
[quote]OMC wrote:
If you don’t crash its because somewhere carbs were sneaking into your diet…or you may be one of the very…very few who won’t crash . Another possibility is your previous diet. Was it low carb?? Based on non starch polysaccharides like broccholi sprouts etc.
Regardless if you don’t crash I’d say just continue on anyway as the crash is jsut a quick way to get your metabolism kicked towards fat burning. It’ll happen eventually regardless and is worth sticking it out for.
OMC
Omc, hey there.
Well like I said before I don’t think they’re sneakin in on me… I really watch and after reading the book and this thread a lot, I know where they are hiding…
On the other hand, I was trying to eat fairly low carb before. Nothing as detailed as this, but keeping complex CHO to the morning and early afternoon, and just veggin after around 1:00-2:00pm.
So I only went over 30g maybe once or twice by like a gram or two at the most during the past 10 days. And I guess I will carb up on Saturday then, that will be 13 days. How close to 30g has everyone else gotten during the transition?
I been jumpin out of bed and this is only on 6 hours sleep sometimes…Just hope I’m there come Sat. Best, ToneBone
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
That’s why I’m pretty sure his body just prefers fats. Do you have any Irish, Viking, or just near that part of the world heritage InTheZone? Also, do you easily get love handles? That’s one indication that you are carb intolerant.
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Do Irish, Vikings, etc prefer fats over carbs due to genetics?
If so, kind of ironic about the whole Irish and potatos thing.
I’m asking because I have Irish ancestors. Possibly some Viking as well after they settled in Scotland.
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
Hmmm, he says he’s very relentless in watching for hidden carbs. I think his body just prefers fats, so after two weeks if he hasn’t crashed, I really don’t think it will happen.
After two weeks of 30g carbs he’s gonna be completely glycogen depleted and the only fuel that will be there to use is protein or fats, and with fats in the diet then the body is gonna use those. Well atleast that’s what DiPasquale says… which I believe whole heartedly.
That’s why I’m pretty sure his body just prefers fats. Do you have any Irish, Viking, or just near that part of the world heritage InTheZone? Also, do you easily get love handles? That’s one indication that you are carb intolerant.
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BIz, I believe my body does prefer fats. When I was younger,(22-32), I bounced and was around the party scene all the time. So I was drinking, lifting, and eating jack in the box burgers after working/partying.
I never got fat, stayed in good shape etc..
Once I hit around 33+ all that changed. Slowly but surely I was putting on the love handles, weight etc. Now I’m 42. I believe I am now carb intolerant. I don’t know if the background has anything to do with it, my guess would be yes. Maybe I overdid it and the ol metabolism rebelled, combined with age slow down, and voilla.
I do have a slight case of the handles now, and had some chest fat before I had gotten back into training. That’s gone, just a tad of love handleage now.
My dad’s grandparents were full blooded German, came here from Germany. So I do have quite a bit of Germ in me. My mom was French, English, and a bit of Irish I believe.
so, what do you think?
I think I love this diet, I am planning on cutting back on the saturated fat later though and making most of it come from poly’s and mono’s.
I think I have a pretty good balance of them right now though too.
Anyhow, thanks for takin an interest and helpin me out.
best, Tonebone
It has been a while since I’ve read up on this since I’m not currently following the AD but I seem to remember reading Mauro’s experience being of very rare non crash instances. of course I may be wrong. Still either way it is not a big deal.
If your body prefers fats to such an extent all I can say is…you lucky bastard. This diet has you made if you follow it well.
Oh by the way I’m Irish and apparently genetics has a role to play with carb tolerance but it stretches back centuries rather than decades. Its in one of Poliquins more recent articles if anyone is interested.
OMC
[quote]Beowulf67 wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
That’s why I’m pretty sure his body just prefers fats. Do you have any Irish, Viking, or just near that part of the world heritage InTheZone? Also, do you easily get love handles? That’s one indication that you are carb intolerant.
Do Irish, Vikings, etc prefer fats over carbs due to genetics?
If so, kind of ironic about the whole Irish and potatos thing.
I’m asking because I have Irish ancestors. Possibly some Viking as well after they settled in Scotland.[/quote]
My heritage is the same. I have red hair and have had love handles since I was 4. My mom told me that my ancestors came from that part of the world. Then I read something that Poliquin wrote a while back stating that especially the Irish have an intolerance to carbohydrates. Mostly wheat and gluten (I know gluten is a protein but Poliquin mentioned that the body treats it like a sugar).
I think that people in that part of the world mostly ate fish. That is until agriculture which aloud the mass eating of carbohydrates like potatoes and wheat.
All this was actually beat into me yesterday when I was out for a run. I was running around this lake near my house and saw these two little red haired kids that were just like me when I was younger.
They were playing in this sprinkler out front of their house and they both had love handles. They looked to be about 5 or 6. They were skinny everywhere on their body, just like I used to be, except for the lower back where the love handles are.
I’m not saying that all redheads get love handles because I’ve seen other redheads that didn’t have them, and that would be a generalization and generalizations rarely work. But I do believe that people who come from Scotland, Ireland, and that general region of the world do have more of an intolerance to carbs than others.
[quote]OMC wrote:
It has been a while since I’ve read up on this since I’m not currently following the AD but I seem to remember reading Mauro’s experience being of very rare non crash instances. of course I may be wrong. Still either way it is not a big deal.
If your body prefers fats to such an extent all I can say is…you lucky bastard. This diet has you made if you follow it well.
Oh by the way I’m Irish and apparently genetics has a role to play with carb tolerance but it stretches back centuries rather than decades. Its in one of Poliquins more recent articles if anyone is interested.
OMC[/quote]
I’m interested, Is there a big diff between genetically between Irish and English?
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
My heritage is the same. I have red hair and have had love handles since I was 4. My mom told me that my ancestors came from that part of the world. Then I read something that Poliquin wrote a while back stating that especially the Irish have an intolerance to carbohydrates. Mostly wheat and gluten (I know gluten is a protein but Poliquin mentioned that the body treats it like a sugar).
I think that people in that part of the world mostly ate fish. That is until agriculture which aloud the mass eating of carbohydrates like potatoes and wheat.
All this was actually beat into me yesterday when I was out for a run. I was running around this lake near my house and saw these two little red haired kids that were just like me when I was younger.
They were playing in this sprinkler out front of their house and they both had love handles. They looked to be about 5 or 6. They were skinny everywhere on their body, just like I used to be, except for the lower back where the love handles are.
I’m not saying that all redheads get love handles because I’ve seen other redheads that didn’t have them, and that would be a generalization and generalizations rarely work. But I do believe that people who come from Scotland, Ireland, and that general region of the world do have more of an intolerance to carbs than others.[/quote]
LOL Biz, your reasoning here is like swiss cheese and is little more than a self-affirmation.
I am going to recommend that you stick to computer programming rather than anthropological musings.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
LOL Biz, your reasoning here is like swiss cheese and is little more than a self-affirmation.
I am going to recommend that you stick to computer programming rather than anthropological musings.[/quote]
Damn ovalpline, don’t pull a CLaw on me. Your right though, programming is more my style.
But at least I’m not a Berardi LOVER! hahaha (inside joke)