[quote]bad_mo_fo wrote:
Quick question about the carb up. Are there any carb drinks that are acceptable to take on the diet during the carb days. You know… like those post workout drinks or ultra fuel?
The reason I ask because I eat 4000 calories a day and the amount of carbs need to fill that requirement on the weekend is very tough for me to handle, considering the only carb foods I like that are reasonably clean are oatmeal and potatos. I would be more than happy if I could take a drink and get most of them down. Any suggestions???
Thanks![/quote]
Anything thats glucosepolymer (maltodextren) based. I try to avoid fructose so I wouldn’t do ultrafuel. Your liver can only process 200 cal of fructose a day into glucose. After that its turned into triglycerides. Charles Poliquin says its the most fattening substance and avoid it at all cost. I eat fruit but it has more glucose and sucrose than fructose.
I’ll take in a small drink 70-100g carbs post workout on saturday morning but this can also make me way too carb hungry later on. Sugar can be addictive especially for me. I can easily eat a half gallon of ice cream in one day.
When I did Duchaine’s Bodyopus I drank 4 140g shakes 1 every 2 hours then 4 70g ones + 40g of carbs from potatoes or rice post workout (a 2.5 hr one). My muscles blew up and my veins popped out. It was really cool. I can’t do this on the AD because I don’t get that depleted.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
bad_mo_fo wrote:
Quick question about the carb up. Are there any carb drinks that are acceptable to take on the diet during the carb days. You know… like those post workout drinks or ultra fuel?
The reason I ask because I eat 4000 calories a day and the amount of carbs need to fill that requirement on the weekend is very tough for me to handle, considering the only carb foods I like that are reasonably clean are oatmeal and potatos. I would be more than happy if I could take a drink and get most of them down. Any suggestions???
Thanks!
Anything thats glucosepolymer (maltodextren) based. I try to avoid fructose so I wouldn’t do ultrafuel. Your liver can only process 200 cal of fructose a day into glucose. After that its turned into triglycerides. Charles Poliquin says its the most fattening substance and avoid it at all cost. I eat fruit but it has more glucose and sucrose than fructose.
I’ll take in a small drink 70-100g carbs post workout on saturday morning but this can also make me way too carb hungry later on. Sugar can be addictive especially for me. I can easily eat a half gallon of ice cream in one day.
When I did Duchaine’s Bodyopus I drank 4 140g shakes 1 every 2 hours then 4 70g ones + 40g of carbs from potatoes or rice post workout (a 2.5 hr one). My muscles blew up and my veins popped out. It was really cool. I can’t do this on the AD because I don’t get that depleted. [/quote]
Thanks for the response Hagar. One more question. I have started tracking my calories and macros on fitday. As it turns out I am getting pretty close to 70% of my calories from fat. Split pretty evenly between the types.
Is this bad? In the book it says closer to 60% but when you are eating the calories I am eating and getting in your walnuts, fish oil and olive oil it is hard. It it is bad I guess I’ll just include another protein shake to get the percentage up. Right now I am having one a day post workout.
This will be my only reply, as I do not want to prompt another outburst.
I did not insult you. But you were indeed asking very basic questions just a couple of days ago. In light of this, you really should not be answering questions as if you are an authority.
You were talking as if you were an authority on soluble fiber; you said that soluble fiber must be accounted for in excruciating detail. However, as others have said, eating too much broccoli ain’t going to keep people from becoming fat adapted.
You should simply follow the diet for a while and listen to what other people who have been on the diet are saying.
So I finally started the diet yesterday weighing 200lbs (6’2) with around 14% BF. I want to lose a little fat eventually. So far it’s been great. I’m getting a little tired of the cheese, but am getting used to it. Energy is excellent.
I am actually dying for the “crash” to happen so I can get over it an know that I’m adapted. For the first two weeks I’m not eating any carbs (fiber or otherwise) so no veggies or anything. After the 2 weeks are up though I intend to have ALOT more veggies. Couple of questions:
I started on a Tuesday, and want to carb up for the first time next Saturday, so that’ll only be 11 days, rather than 12, of close to 0 carbs. Should this be enough? Is there anything I can do to make sure I adjust? Maybe some interval training? Zero carbs (including fiber)?
I’m not counting calories, I just eat when I’m hungry. I eat meat, cheese, eggs, fish. Is this OK or should I actually be counting my calories/planning meals? In the book it says just eat when you’re hungry.
Tonight I’m going to a pizza place with friends, and I’ve heard that I could just order a meat pizza and scrape off the toppings. Would this be fine, or would the tomato sauce have too many carbs?
Thanks for the response Hagar. One more question. I have started tracking my calories and macros on fitday. As it turns out I am getting pretty close to 70% of my calories from fat. Split pretty evenly between the types.
Is this bad? In the book it says closer to 60% but when you are eating the calories I am eating and getting in your walnuts, fish oil and olive oil it is hard. It it is bad I guess I’ll just include another protein shake to get the percentage up. Right now I am having one a day post workout.
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Go easy on the walnuts those carbs can reach 30g easily when you factor in everything. I have to write all my grams of pro, fat and carbs down on paper or else I lose track.
I’ve been doing better on a 2gram of pro per lb of lean body mass (340) I might be able to do good with less but the 2g rule has always worked good for me what ever the diet. I do 2-3 pro drinks a day mixed with soy lecithin, flax meal and safflower oil.
I’m keep my fat levels down to 180 because
I’m not that active and
I get fat easily and did (%18 now). I don’t know if it was my slackfulness with the carbs or my very high fat intake. Probably both.
Anyways everyone is different and it takes some trial and error to get things dialed in. It also takes me some time to realize if something works or not because there are other factors besides diet such as training, stress and activity level, that affect results.
Solidgk I would recommend you count calories. I have too. This lets you know what works and what doesn’t. You might do fine if you don’t but you might put on too much fat or not optimize you lean muscle gains. Since your already committing to this diet you might as well go all the way. I know when I push the boundaries of slackfulness I get better results.
I started on a Tuesday, and want to carb up for the first time next Saturday, so that’ll only be 11 days, rather than 12, of close to 0 carbs. Should this be enough? Is there anything I can do to make sure I adjust? Maybe some interval training? Zero carbs (including fiber)? [/quote]
You’re good: 11 days is fine.
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2. I’m not counting calories, I just eat when I’m hungry. I eat meat, cheese, eggs, fish. Is this OK or should I actually be counting my calories/planning meals? In the book it says just eat when you’re hungry. [/quote]
That’s essentially the way I do it. Sometimes I try to keep a running “caloric tab” in my mind just so I have a general idea of how much I eat on a day to day basis. But, again. You’re good. Just make sure you aren’t skimping on the dietary fat intake.
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3. Tonight I’m going to a pizza place with friends, and I’ve heard that I could just order a meat pizza and scrape off the toppings. Would this be fine, or would the tomato sauce have too many carbs? [/quote]
Considering you’re in the induction phase, I wouldn’t get cute with what I eat. Best advice is to stick to the foods Dr. D recommends.
Thanks for the response Hagar. One more question. I have started tracking my calories and macros on fitday. As it turns out I am getting pretty close to 70% of my calories from fat. Split pretty evenly between the types.
Is this bad? In the book it says closer to 60% but when you are eating the calories I am eating and getting in your walnuts, fish oil and olive oil it is hard. It it is bad I guess I’ll just include another protein shake to get the percentage up. Right now I am having one a day post workout.
Thanks!
Go easy on the walnuts those carbs can reach 30g easily when you factor in everything. I have to write all my grams of pro, fat and carbs down on paper or else I lose track.
I’ve been doing better on a 2gram of pro per lb of lean body mass (340) I might be able to do good with less but the 2g rule has always worked good for me what ever the diet. I do 2-3 pro drinks a day mixed with soy lecithin, flax meal and safflower oil.
I’m keep my fat levels down to 180 because
I’m not that active and
I get fat easily and did (%18 now). I don’t know if it was my slackfulness with the carbs or my very high fat intake. Probably both.
Anyways everyone is different and it takes some trial and error to get things dialed in. It also takes me some time to realize if something works or not because there are other factors besides diet such as training, stress and activity level, that affect results. [/quote]
Sounds like solid advice Hagar. I appreciate it. I am actually around 18% myself. I have been on a life long bulk and want to lose some fat fast so I can start gaining strength again
What do you get your poly fats from if you don’t eat walnuts? They seem to be the one fat I am the lowest on and eating the walnuts was the only thing keeping them existent, I think. I eat a ton of liquid fish oil and at least 3 servings of extra virgin olive oil a day. My other fat seems to come from cheese, eggs, and meat.
Hey guys, I recently checked my fitday and it says that cheddar cheese has carbs in it. I didn’t think cheese that you got from the Deli had carbs but maybe it does. I used the cheddar cheese on fitday that said it was processed. Are deli cheeses processed, if not, what should I use for fitday tracking? thanks a lot
Sounds like solid advice Hagar. I appreciate it. I am actually around 18% myself. I have been on a life long bulk and want to lose some fat fast so I can start gaining strength again
What do you get your poly fats from if you don’t eat walnuts? They seem to be the one fat I am the lowest on and eating the walnuts was the only thing keeping them existent, I think. I eat a ton of liquid fish oil and at least 3 servings of extra virgin olive oil a day. My other fat seems to come from cheese, eggs, and meat.
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Canola oil, walnut oil, fish oil, flax oil. Check this out I got one bottle of safflower oil thats says polyunsaturated 11g mono 2 and one that says poly 2g mono 11g gotta be a typo.
I eat walnuts in my salad but I just make sure I count the carbs. Also lately I’m trying to get my fat from healthier sources. Hopefully this will yield leaner gains. I cut out cheese and fatty meats like bacon and went with leaner cuts like london broil, Also I mix in egg whites with whole eggs. Its contrary to the sample diets given in the AD book.
Maybe the Dr. did this to make the AD more marketable or because this works for guys with naturally less bodyfat levels. I don’t know. But I worry about my future cardiovascular health.
Solidgk just remember this is not a ketogenic diet. If you keep your carbs lower than 10 g a day you’ll eventually fall into ketosis within a few days. Disc Hoss did a great job explaining this some 4000 posts ago.
If you’re into chocolate, read labels: There are some AD friendly chocolates out there. I’ve found some stuff that’s 85% cocoa that has 5 net carbs per 40 grams. For some, 85% is too concentrated. If you really like chocolate, start off with 70% or so and work your way up. After eating 85% for so long, 70% is too bland; and milk chocolate is disgusting.
[quote]bearmd wrote:
Hey guys, I recently checked my fitday and it says that cheddar cheese has carbs in it. I didn’t think cheese that you got from the Deli had carbs but maybe it does. I used the cheddar cheese on fitday that said it was processed. Are deli cheeses processed, if not, what should I use for fitday tracking? thanks a lot :)[/quote]
Real cheddar cheese, (i.e., not that Kraft bullshit) doesn’t have carbs. FitDay is great but is a pain the ass sometimes. I had to enter cheddar cheese manually. You can create a custom food. I do this for all the foods I eat regularly.
So as long as it’s not prepackaged or craft it’s ok? My deli cheese is good? Fitday also said that deli roast beef had carbs, I can’t possibly see that as being correct, probably meant prepackaged shit that has glaze on it, but who knows
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
If you’re into chocolate, read labels: There are some AD friendly chocolates out there. I’ve found some stuff that’s 85% cocoa that has 5 net carbs per 40 grams. For some, 85% is too concentrated. If you really like chocolate, start off with 70% or so and work your way up. After eating 85% for so long, 70% is too bland; and milk chocolate is disgusting. [/quote]
I’ve seen some low carb chocolate at Trader Joes but it had a bunch of sugar alcohols in it. I love dark chocolate. It has lots of antioxidants and it’s delicious. Can you name some brands and where to get them?
[quote]bearmd wrote:
So as long as it’s not prepackaged or craft it’s ok? My deli cheese is good? Fitday also said that deli roast beef had carbs, I can’t possibly see that as being correct, probably meant prepackaged shit that has glaze on it, but who knows[/quote]
Many deli meats are injected or marinated with a flavoring that has dextrose in it. Kinda sucks
[quote]Hagar wrote:
bearmd wrote:
So as long as it’s not prepackaged or craft it’s ok? My deli cheese is good? Fitday also said that deli roast beef had carbs, I can’t possibly see that as being correct, probably meant prepackaged shit that has glaze on it, but who knows
Many deli meats are injected or marinated with a flavoring that has dextrose in it. Kinda sucks [/quote]
hell yea it does!!!i wish roast beef was all good and carb free…i love shovin that stuff down my trap deleash
[quote]Hagar wrote:
I’ve seen some low carb chocolate at Trader Joes but it had a bunch of sugar alcohols in it. I love dark chocolate. It has lots of antioxidants and it’s delicious. Can you name some brands and where to get them?
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Trader Joe’s has some decent 73% stuff. It’s call “The Chocolate Traveler.” They are in small round tins next to the cash registers.
They also have a good 85% brand next to the cash registers. Le Noir Amer. It has a purple label.
Chocolate xoxox 73% has a pretty good profile. I get mine from Wild Oats.
The best I’ve found, though, is Lindt Excellent. The 85% bar I’m holding has 8 carbs with 3 grams of fiber per 40 gram serving. I buy the bar at a nearby liquor store. Here’s a site selling it: http://www.germandeli.com/linexdarchoc.html
By the way, I store all of my chocolate in the freezer. It tastes much better and because it’s brittle, seems like there is more there.
My goodness how your tone has changed now...The new Dali Lama I see..
My "outburst" was called for because you did indeed insult me in your post.
You said “in a week you go from asking newbie questions to speaking absolute truths. I missed that memo”.
then you say I need to post less and pay attention to people who "have actually been on the diet". Follow that with "you are simply not qualified to be giving advice or speaking truths".
That is already insulting and judgemental IMO, but you weren't done were you..
For one: when did I say I was speaking "absolute truths"? And where did you coin that slick and cool phrase. Wow, pure genius...
I gave my opinions which were pretty damn dead on.
Two: Since when do YOU qualify ME to give advice? Or as you love to say.."speak truths".
You got that word right though because what I said was truthful.
Then you go on and on about my "endless questions and how they annoyed you" and no research being done and so on and so forth...
Finishing up with your "Grand Finale" of subtle insults yet again.
"I'm an expert even though I'm not even fat adapted because I read some stuff the past couple of days attitude".
Well I was speaking to people who were "on the diet", like one Disc Hoss among others, and yes I "read some stuff". Like THE ANABOLIC DIET, but I never called myself an expert ever, and didn't act like one such as your own ass loves to do.
The stuff regarding fiber was quite accurate and you should know that, Tmack and I weren't talking about broccoli, it was about fiber in general as in the difference btw insoluble and soluble. And he agnowledged that indeed I was on to something there in a very polite way like everyone else I talk to here...
It IS very important in the transition phase, so what's the beef?
Maybe you just don't like me using big words like "transition" or "phase" huh...Those kinds of words should just be left to people like you to use...
And now you come back with your "Ghandi like" transition of your own with your "This will be my only reply, as I do not want to prompt another outburst". No insults, just very calm and guided straight talk...
Wow what happened to that super ego of yours that started this whole thing? Oh maybe it disappeared after I dropped a MAJOR name on you there huh..Someone who thought I was intelligent enough to merit a real honest and helpful response. Yeah maybe...
You're pretty slick, but not that slick.
Don't throw your bullshit on me anymore and I won't throw it back on you again.
respect,
TB
