Hey thanks for the idea Hagar. I found it still hard to get a breakdown even on these other sites though, so what I’m doing is simply treating anything labeled as “dietary fiber” as if it were soluble fiber and thus taking half it’s carb worth off of the total. That way I’m erring on the high side to be safe…
I think most of the insoluble or “roughage” is going to be in the way of veggies ie: celery etc.
But thanks for that idea anyway. I’m doing great so far here. Third day and I’m down 3 pounds.
My cals are around 3000 ea. day.
Before I was around 2500 give or take with the carb diet and was heavier and felt sluggish and up and down every day. This diet is frickin sweet. I feel better already and workouts haven’t suffered at all.
Later, ToneBone
Hey guys. Reading through Mcdonalds recommendations for the carb ups was interesting. Especially the part where he mentions splitting the carb load into two seperated days such as sunday (moderate load) and wednesday (larger load) instead of 2 days back to back. It seems like this would be good for those looking to gain weight seeing as you are re-stocking glycogen/re-volumizing muslces slighlty more frequently, as opposed to 5 low carb 2 high which provides with more intense fat burning due to the longer period of lower carbs. Thoughts?
Looks pretty good, but I believe you are over 30g CHO for sure…
I got 36gms for you and that’s not counting the muffins or cauliflower.
I took off for dietary fiber where applicable too for you.
So, maybe you are going higher on purpose for your own benefit as you can tolerate it, I don’t know.
Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.
Otherwise it looks good, but you got to keep it under 30 definitely in the transition phase, which is where I’m at right now. Day 3 for me.
Peace out bro, ToneBone
The “muffins” actually have about a gram of CHO in them. I found the recipe earlier in the thread, and the ingredients are 1/4 cup milled flax seed, 1 teaspoon butter, 1 teaspoon cinnamon, 1 large egg, 1/2 teaspoon baking powder, and 1 packet of splenda.
I logged the stuff at fitay.com and it came out to be 28 g CHO after fiber was taken away. How do the types of food look? Also, does anyone want to post about their experiences with mid week carb spike?
Hey Mackaroo,
what's up man? Good enough bro, I think the mix of foods looks pretty good, be careful on discounting the fiber though, as only insoluble is fully discounted. The soluble stuff is only worth half of stated amount.
Anyway, that recipe is great, I will make some soon. I thought you might have had something up your sleeve on that one! lol.
How far along are you?
p.s. is that right the milled flax seed is that low huh? My ground flax has 1.5gm carb per Tblsp. after I take half of "dietary fiber" out of the mix. ie:3gm total carb, 3gm dietary fiber.
I just take half, if it doesn't specifically say "insoluble".
I can't wait to try that, great job reposting the recipe bro.
see ya ToneBone
p.s. where do you get the Hood milk? I looked on their website and I can't find their low carb milk, lowfat, this n that but no low carb. I'm in Cali here, any help for a website that has it or a store would be great. thanks.
[quote]boatnerj wrote:
It seems like this would be good for those looking to gain weight seeing as you are re-stocking glycogen/re-volumizing muslces slighlty more frequently, as opposed to 5 low carb 2 high which provides with more intense fat burning due to the longer period of lower carbs. Thoughts?[/quote]
It depends on your training volume. If it’s high, then it would seem like something worth trying. What’s appealing about the two day split carb-up is that you could do a very high volume training and now suffer from being low carb.
Try it out for yourself. Based on my own experience, I get a limited benefit from the second day of carbing-up. I also know that, for me, taking in around 100 grams of carbs on Wednesday night is very helpful. I’m able to have better workouts throughout the week, which is important given my interests and activity levels.
This week I am going to have 100-200 grams of carbs tomorrow night. And then 300-400 grams on Saturday. I’ll see how I feel next week.
Hey Mackaroo,
what's up man? Good enough bro, I think the mix of foods looks pretty good, be careful on discounting the fiber though, as only insoluble is fully discounted. The soluble stuff is only worth half of stated amount.
Anyway, that recipe is great, I will make some soon. I thought you might have had something up your sleeve on that one! lol.
How far along are you?
p.s. is that right the milled flax seed is that low huh? My ground flax has 1.5gm carb after I take half of "dietary fiber" out of the mix. ie:3gm total carb, 3gm dietary fiber.
I just take half if it doesn't specifically say "insoluble".
I can't wait to try that, great job on the recipe bro.
see ya ToneBone[/quote]
-just my $.02 -but I think you may be getting a little too caught up in the minutia.
It’s really not that complicated.
Carbs - Fiber = Net Carbs
Cruciferous Veggies = 0 Net Carbs
Believe me…no one has ever “gone over limit” by eating brocolli…It’s just not going to happen.
As a matter of fact -it may be worth mentioning that you need to eat as much cruciferous green veggies as you can get your hands on!
The acid neutralizing effects alone are worth it -not to mention all the necesarry nutritional value these items have.
Hey I'm not trying to be too anal at all. I eat plenty of veggies, but when you are in the transition phase the CHO count is very important.
And your analogy about the fiber count is incorrect my friend.
Dr. Di says right there in his book that you DO NOT get to discount SOLUBLE fiber the same as INSOLUBLE. You take half of the amount off.
Yeah that wouldn't be so important during carb ups or once your adjusted and getting by on a little more than 30g, but in transition it adds up quick.
And for the record, I found that the flax powders are made up of 2/3 insoluble fiber, and 1/3 soluble, so that's great.
In regards to the muffin recipe then, I fit 4tblsp in a 1/4 cup. That gives a total of 12g CHO. Which in turn gives a total of half of 4, leaving 2gms for the total.
so 2 is the accurate amount of CHO for the 1/4 cup called for, for one muffin.
Hey sorry to be anal, but IMO this shit comes down to the nitty gritty when in transition. And yes the veggies will get you over the limit too if you don't count correctly.
Just trying to help out.
ToneBone
Very good point about the soluble/insoluble fiber, I was not taking that into consideration. I think I’ll cut carbs back slightly and see how I feel. The Hood milk I have is 3 g carbs and 45 kcals/serving, and I buy it at GIANT supermarket. I have seen it at wally world too, but they dont keep it in stock very often. There is a 2% version in chocolate too with 5 g CHO/serving that tastes good as hell.
I’m 5 weeks in so far by the way, and am really loving it. My bodyweight has gone up about 6-7 lbs. with very minimal fat gain. I love it because I used to be a 215 lbs. blob before I lost weight and have had trouble gaining back lost muscle without fat gain. DAMN I love this diet, or should I stay lifestyle. I’m never going back to a “normal” diet!
Hey thanks Tmack. I don't have any Giants or Wally worlds out here, so I guess I'll try looking harder. Yeah, great for you on the lean weight gain.
I'm cutting but keeping at 3000kcal for the transition right now. I'll drop the fat down to get around 2500, then 2000, and if that doesn't leave me where I want, I'll go 1500 for a couple weeks.
So BTW, I just finished eating the flax muffin a while ago.
That is some gold there buddy! lol.
It tasted great, wasn't hard, and was loaded with our favorite goodies too. Outfreakingrageous..
I am going to try to tweak it even more, by adding some extra virgin olive oil, and protein powder. Right now my pro powder is a weak link as it has 4g CHO per scoop,24gPRO. I need one with the same amount PRO but less like 1 or 2 at the most CHO.
Oh well, I'm rolling right along here at the end of day 3.
You're in the big VA. huh? I remember being out there in Norfolk, and hanging out in Virginia Beach back when I was 18 in the Navy...Long frickin time ago..lol.
so anywho, take it easy and I'll be around here....
best, ToneBone
I’d watch those carbs. I was getting some nice lean gains then I slacked off on counting carbs and ate too much almond butter.
Oh well on another note I think I cut my carbs too much this weekend. Probably a result of getting my body fat taken (Curse that delicious almond butter). Even tough I was stronger in the gym at the beginning, I ran out of gas half way threw my workout.
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
josh_67 wrote:
Does anyone recommend taking Surge post workout on the keto days? Three scoops yield 46g of carbs which I know is over the daily limit but thought it may be acceptable within 30 minutes after lifting. Any ideas? Thanks
I wouldn’t.
…that’s Tirib’s way of saying…
NO!
He’s so soft-spoken -that Cad
Seriously though…unless you’ve been on the AD for quite sometime (6-9 mo’s) and have your tolerances all dialed in…it’s not a good idea.
Dr DiPas has stated that for some who just can’t function on restricted carbs there are alternatives to consider. But one cannot possibly know this unless they have gone through the strict assessment phase first.
The Anabolic Solution lays out these alternatives and the systematic plan of assessment after the 3-6 month mark of the diet.
peace [/quote]
I concur with this as well. I cannot recommend strongly enough, for the vast majority of people an absolute bare minimum 3 months of by the book before any experimentation of consequence and for most a good bit longer than that.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Hey I’m not trying to be too anal at all. I eat plenty of veggies, but when you are in the transition phase the CHO count is very important.[/quote]
So in less than a week you go from asking newbie questions to speaking absolute truths?
I missed that memo.
You really need to post less and pay attention to people who have actually been on the diet. You are simply not qualified to be giving “advice” or speaking “truths.”
Your endless questions were a little annoying and showed you hadn’t done much research. Your “I’m an expert even though I’m not even fat adapted because I read some stuff the past couple of days” attitude is even more annoying.
What the fuck is up your ass? If you have to know I got some great advice from reading the fucking book and from Disc Hoss himself through pm's. So get off your high horse asshole. I wasn't talking to you, and no one else has a problem with me here. You and your lame analogy of me are about as close to something a "newb" would do as it gets mr. fucking genius.
And I was thinking you were ok too till you proved yourself to be a wannabe internet expert who can't wait to chastise yet another "noob".
Some people can read and readily assimilate the text on the pages birdbrain.
This thread has nothing but cool people here, except for you.
California law huh,…yeah it figures, dicks like you give cops a bad rap.
Funny how someone like Disc Hoss, who I'm sure knows a whole hell of a lot more about this diet than you, has nothing but respect for all people on this thread regardless, and helps out anyone. Then there's you, a pinhead who just can't wait to jump on someone. I get tired of assholes like you calling other grown men "noobs" and shit when you don't know a god damn thing about me save some internet texting which is easily misinterpreted as you aren't talking to someone face to face. Fuckin grow up.
Anyway, I just caught a massive bug and have been bedridden for 2 days.
Still, been eating according to guidelines, but keeping it at about 2000cal/day.
Does anyone have any advice or input on doing the AD when sick?
AD[/quote]
Haven’t really been sick on the AD yet… but I’ve had to fight off a handful of colds…
I usually hit Vitamin C HARD, 500mg 4 or more times a day…good multi-vit obviously always a must.
have you been through a carb up while sick yet? maybe try moving your carb up sooner if you can… When I don’t follow AD I take in as much simple sugars as possible and generally get better pretty fast.
Or maybe just upping your calories till your better? Your body needs all it can get to fight off what you have
Quick question about the carb up. Are there any carb drinks that are acceptable to take on the diet during the carb days. You know… like those post workout drinks or ultra fuel?
The reason I ask because I eat 4000 calories a day and the amount of carbs need to fill that requirement on the weekend is very tough for me to handle, considering the only carb foods I like that are reasonably clean are oatmeal and potatos. I would be more than happy if I could take a drink and get most of them down. Any suggestions???
I started the T-dawg (basically the Anabolic Diet with PWO carbs and one recarb day instead of two) diet two days ago. Most of my fat is coming from fish oil. Obscene amounts of fish oil. If I get truly sick of it, I’ll figure out another diet plan, but for right now its the easiest way to get enough fat.
I’m putting myself on 8 weeks, regardless of reaching/surpassing my goals.
Two questions:
How long did the “metabolic shift” last for most of you?
How often do/did you change your caloric needs based on your progress? I’m eating something like 2700 calories right now, but that was based off of my starting weight… I remember reading somewhere that a problem with many diets is that people continue eating the same amount after their bodies have adapted-- so what started out as hypocaloric becomes maintenance. Anyway… how often do you change your calories?
Anyway, I just caught a massive bug and have been bedridden for 2 days.
Still, been eating according to guidelines, but keeping it at about 2000cal/day.
Does anyone have any advice or input on doing the AD when sick?
AD[/quote]
I got really ill for two days vomiting with a 103 temp. It felt like I was going to die. I switched to protein shakes and safflower oil with no carb, because I had no appetite. I stuck with the diet, recovered and was back in the gym in no time.
