My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
5382 
     OK whatever mr. law.

Thought you were done replying to me? You’re full of shit.

      It's not meant to be entertaining, I'm sticking up for myself after you insulted me, as I've seen you do to other people around the site. It just happens that most of the guys on this particular thread are not down for the games. So enough, if you think you're the better man, then so be it. I don't see anyone else having a problem with me. So good job, you're still a legend in your own mind.

     You said you didn't insult me but you damn well did. Man up and admit it. 
       I'm done with you, you're a mental giant, and you're enjoying your self that's obvious.
5383

Seriously can you two piss off and go argue in the off topic forum or a PM?

You’re fucking up the one and only thread I really care about on here.

Please, end it or take it elsewhere.

5384 
     I apologize for my part in this and will cease any and all negative and pointless banter from this post onward.

      I agree with this being a great thread and wouldn't have tossed a fit if my "pal" hadn't initiated said banter by insulting and mocking me.
        sincerely ToneBone
5385

Our own little soap opera, how quaint! Loving the banter guys, I hope it is all over now though.

I have never posted on this thread nor have I ever posted on this website, although I have been an active reader of this truly awesome thread since Jan when I first picked up the good Dr’s book and thought “lets eat fat and get massive”. I am now 3 months into the AD and love the lifestyle.

I will also admit that I have burnt the midnight oil reading every single page of this thread from start to finish. Definite pearls of wisdom along the way. A big thank you for the guy that came up with the homemade flax muffin. That bod boy was a god send!!

Anyway, I just wanted to say lets keep this thread pleasant as it is messing with my Feng Shui!!!

Nariyan

5387 
      A heartfelt thanks to you Bushy, and Nariyen let the feung shui flow freely again as the fat levels have leveled my inner calm for all to benefit from....lol.

Yeah seriously though, this is the best thread with the best people and I will not let anything bug me to that point again as it’s just too disrespectful to the great voices that are the backbone of this thread.

Nuff said, let’s go build some muscle!
Tone

5388 
         Hey gang, just thought I would post my macro% and breakdown for the past 5 days.
  Sunday:CHO-5%,FAT-65%,PRO-30%
   GRAMS:CHO-33.4,FAT-220,PRO-226
                 (SAT-73.6)
  MONDAY:CHO-7%,FAT-57%,PRO-36%
   GRAMS:CHO-27.8,FAT-200,PRO-283
                  (SAT-81.4)
  TUESDAY:CHO-10%,FAT-59%,PRO-31%
    GRAMS:CHO-30.8,FAT-209,PRO-251
                   (SAT-67.8)
  WEDNESDAY:CHO-5%,FAT-56%,PRO-39%
     GRAMS:CHO-30.1,FAT-188,PRO-288
                    (SAT-58)

   Here's what I've been eating:

Meats: ground beef, ground chicken, top sirloin, bacon, sausage(Jimmy Dean),beef round(bottom round).

Fish: Tuna(caught yellowfin,and canned albacore), crab(sushi-no rice/seaweed).

Dairy: eggs, cheeses(cheddar,provolone), and an occasional splash of Hood low carb milk(white-3gCHO,choc-5gCHO) with whey post wkout sometimes.

Fats: extra virgin olive oil, heavy whipping cream, flax oil, ground flax powder, fish caps(10-12,ea. two provide 720mgOmega3)

Veggies: Red leaf lettuce, cucumber, ginger, cauliflower, spinach.

And of course the almighty whey pro.
So how do the numbers look to you guys? I know I went over a tad on the carb by .8 or whatnot…along with a little fluctuation on the fat and pro, but overall I think the numbers are ok huh?

      Thanks in advance for any helpful comments guys..
     ToneBone
5389

I hope your eating real crab. I made the mistake of buying 3 lbs of imitation crab before finding out it was made mostly of vegetable oil and flower. Luckily it was on sale.

I’m not sure if your diet will work or not I’d stick to it for a few weeks train hard and see how it goes.

5390 
    Yeah it's real crab.

Maybe you can tell me why you say my diet might not work? It’s in the parameters set up for transition isn’t it? Do you think the carbs are too close to the 30g limit? Because I don’t see what else would be wrong with it…
Anybody else see anything wrong with it?
TB

5391

For the chocolate cravers, what I do is just use 100% cocoa powder with cottage cheese and flax and maybe a little stevia before bed. Works for me, and it has very few carbs and cals.

You get all the benefits of the cocoa without anything else.

just a thought

5392

Interesting article:
"They are loved and endorsed by celebrities and dismissed as an unhealthy diet craze by critics. But ‘low carb’, high protein and high fat diets have proven their metabolic worth: scientists in the US have discovered a fat-burning role for a specific hormone stimulated by these eating regimes. The work has also raised the intriguing question of whether the Atkins diet could make you live longer.

"A group of researchers led by Steven Kliewer at Southwestern University in Dallas, Texas found that a growth hormone called fibroblast growth factor 21 (FGF21) stimulates fat metabolism in the liver.

More:

5393

[quote]InTheZone wrote:

    Yeah it's real crab.

Maybe you can tell me why you say my diet might not work? It’s in the parameters set up for transition isn’t it? Do you think the carbs are too close to the 30g limit? Because I don’t see what else would be wrong with it…
Anybody else see anything wrong with it?
TB[/quote]

I wasn’t thinking about the carbs. You might need more calories to optimize your muscle gains or less if your cutting. I’d stick with where your at for now. It could be perfect for you but if your not making any gains bump up the cals a bit (don’t go ape shit like I did).

I’ve been at 340g of pro 180g fat a day at 5’8.5" and a 170lb lean body mass. Its not totally by the book but it seems to be working well. Mon I benched 275 for 10 reps the week before I got 7. My strength is climbing and my pants are just a bit looser. I think it takes time to get this diet dialed in to your personal needs.

5394

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Maybe you can tell me why you say my diet might not work?
TB[/quote]

All he was saying is that you need to actually do the diet before you will know what works.

No one can say, “This will work for you.” There are some broad guidelines, but that’s it. Individual tailoring is called for on this plan, and many people doing the AD are using various different forms of it. Here are but a few different permutations:
www.metabolicdiet.com/images/md_tshoot.pdf

Incidentally, because the AD is experience-based, you can now see why it’s a good idea for people who have not actually done the diet to refrain from giving advice.

5395

I have a question about heavy whipping cream in the protein shakes. I’ve been trying to actually whip the whipping cream but have had no success at all, thus I continue to use Hood Low carb milk with my shakes, but thats getting to be a bit expensive.

How do you guys do it? When I put it in my blender, even on the lowest setting it doesnt whip at all, and on the highest setting it goes too fast and ends up curdling.

5396 
     Hey Hagar,

ok cool, yeah I’m not worried about the calories as I am cutting right now anyway. I am going by a little over 15X bodyweight, so it’s around 3000kcal. Actually I will drop that down to 12X bodyweight once I’m burning the fat after the change. Dr. Di said to keep around 18X BW or 3000cal for the transition, thus the calorie choice for me.

     The carbs on the really close days are actually a bit lower so I don't think I really broke over 30 anyway.you had me there for a minute. The site nutritiondata.com doesn't allow for .5 or any decimal number when you put in a custom food, so it goes a bit higher than actual real world case on some of my carb containing foods, thus the over 30g on a couple of days there.

        Anyway, I wasn't "assuming" too much that you were on about the carbs, just making sure about it. 

       I feel great workouts are good, I did feel a little foggy this morning, tired sort of, with a little headache,... but got better after a couple meals.

         so then, I'm good to go so far as keeping in the parameters for the metabolic change I believe. 

    It's kind of hard to keep the fat,pro ratios at a constant, I'm ok there too though so far. Anyway 6.5 days to go for the big CHO sloughdown...lol.

         best guys,
             TB
5397 
    Saygin,

I just toss it in and spoon it around, I don’t try to whip it up, just use it to up the fat, and make it a little more like milk and whey as far as consistency/flavor…

        my 2 cents. it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of difference IMO, but again does up the fat and make a small diff. in thickness.
5398

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Maybe you can tell me why you say my diet might not work?
TB

All he was saying is that you need to actually do the diet before you will know what works.

No one can say, “This will work for you.” There are some broad guidelines, but that’s it. Individual tailoring is called for on this plan, and many people doing the AD are using various different forms of it. Here are but a few different permutations:
www.metabolicdiet.com/images/md_tshoot.pdf

Incidentally, because the AD is experience-based, you can now see why it’s a good idea for people who have not actually done the diet to refrain from giving advice.[/quote]

       LAWMEISTER,

LET ME MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR YOU, I AM NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION ON ANYTHING…
OK? I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT UNDERSTOOD. YOU’RE TRYING TO “ADVISE” ME, AND I DON’T WANT YOUR ADVICE.
HAGAR AND I CAN COMMUNICATE JUST FINE WITHOUT YOUR TWO CENTS.

5399

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Maybe you can tell me why you say my diet might not work?
TB

All he was saying is that you need to actually do the diet before you will know what works.

No one can say, “This will work for you.” There are some broad guidelines, but that’s it. Individual tailoring is called for on this plan, and many people doing the AD are using various different forms of it. Here are but a few different permutations:
www.metabolicdiet.com/images/md_tshoot.pdf

Incidentally, because the AD is experience-based, you can now see why it’s a good idea for people who have not actually done the diet to refrain from giving advice.

       LAWMEISTER,

LET ME MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR YOU, I AM NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION ON ANYTHING…
OK? I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT UNDERSTOOD. YOU’RE TRYING TO “ADVISE” ME, AND I DON’T WANT YOUR ADVICE.
HAGAR AND I CAN COMMUNICATE JUST FINE WITHOUT YOUR TWO CENTS.[/quote]

Dude, you seriously need to start a new thread or start a PM. You are ruining the best thread on this site, plain and simple.

5400

For the second week in a row, I took in just over 100 grams on Wednesday. This has been a welcome change.

On Wednesdays (I’d have trained anywhere from 6-9 hours), I start feeling like total shit. I’d just grind out my training sessions, but it was more about survival than anything else.

Last night before training I took in some frozen yogurt, had a great workout, and drank some pineapple juice and ate some oats afterwards. (About 150 grams in total).

This a.m. I actually had a good HIIT session. I didn’t feel as good as after a full carb-up, but felt much better. I wasn’t “holding on for dear life” when running hills.

So this weekend I’m going to do mostly carbs on Saturday, taking in around 400 grams or slightly less. On this coming Wednesday I’ll up the carbs to 200 or so grams - all pre- and post-workout.

Some random observations:

  • I tinkered with this before being fat adapted. The carbs actually made me sluggish. Now carbs re-charge me. I wonder if there is some link to being fat adapted and your insulin sensitivity? It’s like a switch has flipped when it comes to carbs.

  • This is the first time in my life carbs have given me energy. Even as a kid, I never got a “sugar rush.” I was never diabetic or even close, and my blood glucose levels have always been fine. But carbs always tired me out, made me sluggish. Now, it’s no longer the case. This is terrific.

  • In light of the fact that glycogen recompensation is most effective in the first 24 hours of the carb-up, why aren’t more people doing, say, 4 days without carbs and 1 day with carbs? For me, the second day of carb-loading gives me only diminishing returns.

Why the two-day carb-up? I’m starting to think it’s more a “reality” thing than scientific thing. I.e., “Let people eat what they want during the weekend,” and “Most people can’t pragmatically plan their eating in shorter cycles.”

To me, a Wednesday mini-carb-up still gives me a Saturday to dine out with friends and otherwise not stress much over what I’m eating.

Thoughts?

5401

[quote]Sayjin wrote:
I have a question about heavy whipping cream in the protein shakes. I’ve been trying to actually whip the whipping cream but have had no success at all, thus I continue to use Hood Low carb milk with my shakes, but thats getting to be a bit expensive.

How do you guys do it? When I put it in my blender, even on the lowest setting it doesnt whip at all, and on the highest setting it goes too fast and ends up curdling.[/quote]

I wouldn’t use that milk, even though it’s “low carb” it has carbs in it.

Whipping cream is pure fat, no carbs.

Don’t whip the whipping cream. Just use it like milk, and you really shoudn’t be using a blender. Just use a shaker or stir it.

This is what I do:
2-3 tbsp. whipping cream
5 raw omega 3 eggs
2 tsps. vanilla extract
cinnamon
nutmeg

If you worried about saturates you can do 1 tbsp olive oil in place of cream.

Pour it all in glass and just beat it with a fork. Down the hatch. I promise you, you never thought the AD could taste so good.

Whipping cream is delicious.

You could also use protein powder but I think the real protein is better. Try it and tell me what you think.