My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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SO i lost a good 4lbs of fat last time i did the inductions so i said to myself, i am going on inductions round two to lose more fat and bring me below 7%. Unfortunantly its absolutly rediculas bad feeling. I went to the gym and i felt SOOO flat, its only day 6.

I started doing smaller carb ups before because i was getting too puffy but i think the answer now would be do a one day carbup instead of two smaller days. I am still strong, relatively, but i am winded after things i wasn;t before, i am very dizzy after standing up after things like Db rows and Flat bench presses and i severly lack motivation.

Usually i love to workout but i think going on two inductions is a real bad idea. It is almost amazing to me i can still push weights up because i feel so weak. Should i just use one day carb- up and lower calorie on the weekdays instead of the second induction?

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

The book was also made for pro bodybuilders who already had lots of mass who wanted to look “jacked up” without anabolic aids (steroids).

I’m not certain the good doc wrote it for people like me (who started out as skinny…ok, skinnier).

It sure works though.

Thus, I stand by my opinion and advice given. Take it or leave it dude. :wink:

AD

Actually he stresses that his system is for drug free lifting throughout his whole book. Are you calling him a liar?
Or perhaps you think that you know his system better than he does?

Calm down. Take a breath. Re-read what I said…

I never said anything about not being a drug free method…in fact, it was saying “without anabolic aids (Steroids).”

I’ve said nothing to warrant a blatant attack such as this. I never said anything like that which you have written, and quite frankly I don’t appreciate it.

What I said was that the advice in the books (while useful and beneficial for almost anyone) was originally for a different target audience before it became the book we now refer to.

It’s important (when reading any book of any genre) to keep in mind who it’s talking to and why it’s written, or sometimes the whole meaning is lost.

In this case, the the good doctor “wrote the book” on using food to mimic the anabolic effects of steroids. This came about partially because the World Bodybuilding Federation (now disbanded) wanted their athletes to get clean yet maintain their muscle mass and low bodyfat percentages. Dr. DiPasquale refined the Anabolic diet to help them do this.

Thus, it can be concluded that it was originally made primarily for that crowd…but again, is very beneficial for many others.

AD[/quote]

I don’t want to deviate from his plan too much. I just want to get to the part where I can see my abs and then try upping the calories and then see what happens.

What I would like to hear from is guys who have actually followed it to the “T” and how they managed to get to see their abs before they bulked up and how it went for them. What I suspect my problem is, is that after eating meat all week that I just go overboard on my carb ups.

Honestly though I am getting tired of this diet. If I were to “bulk up” to a lard ass stage I would kill two birds with one stone.

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
I just skimmed again, but I don’t see anythign about a break in period. I know with the V-Diet, you just go all out from the get go. The shock of it all might be the biggest plus…guess you’ll have to try it and find out.

Right on … I was thinking of jumping right in and see what happens. Promised myself I’d go do some cutting. See where I go energy-wise/workout-wise and maybe make it a one week on, one week off-thing, keeping my body surprised.
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FWIW, I’m on day 3 right now and it’s much easier than originally thought. As long as strength doesn’t completely die off, I plan on deviating from my original plan and just going ahead with 4 weeks of this. It seems too easy so far to just not go ahead and try to lose 20 lbs. at once.

I am being open to the fact that it could get much harder, but so far, it’s gone pretty smooth.

BTW, I’ve been eating 3 oz. of chicken with 2 slices of center-cut bacon for most of my meals with 1 fish oil cap.

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
LVZzed wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
I just skimmed again, but I don’t see anythign about a break in period. I know with the V-Diet, you just go all out from the get go. The shock of it all might be the biggest plus…guess you’ll have to try it and find out.

Right on … I was thinking of jumping right in and see what happens. Promised myself I’d go do some cutting. See where I go energy-wise/workout-wise and maybe make it a one week on, one week off-thing, keeping my body surprised.

FWIW, I’m on day 3 right now and it’s much easier than originally thought. As long as strength doesn’t completely die off, I plan on deviating from my original plan and just going ahead with 4 weeks of this. It seems too easy so far to just not go ahead and try to lose 20 lbs. at once.

I am being open to the fact that it could get much harder, but so far, it’s gone pretty smooth.

BTW, I’ve been eating 3 oz. of chicken with 2 slices of center-cut bacon for most of my meals with 1 fish oil cap.
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I had a can of tuna in the morning, a whey+EVOO-shake in the early afternoon, just went for a bikeride … contemplating what to eat next. Lucky I got some lowfat cottage cheese to get some casein from … but indeed, my lost love for chicken might be rediscovered the coming days :slight_smile: Got some hamburgers in the freezer I might wanna work through first though.

Energy has been okay for so far today. There’s a ‘heatwave’ ( well, temperature jumped ) over here so that’s also surpressing my hunger perhaps … Think I’ll make another shake soon, get some flax seeds in it for the fiber, an have a few fish oil caps instead of the EVOO … later tonight: a little cottage cheese or something. We’ll see :slight_smile:

Josh, you got the (e-)book? Cause I don’t and I wanted to jump in head-first (yeah, impulsive, “let’s shed fat!”) and cut my calories, so if there are any nuances to be applied, let me know plz.

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
josh.shafer wrote:
LVZzed wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
I just skimmed again, but I don’t see anythign about a break in period. I know with the V-Diet, you just go all out from the get go. The shock of it all might be the biggest plus…guess you’ll have to try it and find out.

Right on … I was thinking of jumping right in and see what happens. Promised myself I’d go do some cutting. See where I go energy-wise/workout-wise and maybe make it a one week on, one week off-thing, keeping my body surprised.

FWIW, I’m on day 3 right now and it’s much easier than originally thought. As long as strength doesn’t completely die off, I plan on deviating from my original plan and just going ahead with 4 weeks of this. It seems too easy so far to just not go ahead and try to lose 20 lbs. at once.

I am being open to the fact that it could get much harder, but so far, it’s gone pretty smooth.

BTW, I’ve been eating 3 oz. of chicken with 2 slices of center-cut bacon for most of my meals with 1 fish oil cap.

I had a can of tuna in the morning, a whey+EVOO-shake in the early afternoon, just went for a bikeride … contemplating what to eat next. Lucky I got some lowfat cottage cheese to get some casein from … but indeed, my lost love for chicken might be rediscovered the coming days :slight_smile: Got some hamburgers in the freezer I might wanna work through first though.

Energy has been okay for so far today. There’s a ‘heatwave’ ( well, temperature jumped ) over here so that’s also surpressing my hunger perhaps … Think I’ll make another shake soon, get some flax seeds in it for the fiber, an have a few fish oil caps instead of the EVOO … later tonight: a little cottage cheese or something. We’ll see :slight_smile:

Josh, you got the (e-)book? Cause I don’t and I wanted to jump in head-first (yeah, impulsive, “let’s shed fat!”) and cut my calories, so if there are any nuances to be applied, let me know plz.[/quote]

Make sure both of you guys remembers to set you weekly weight loss goal. If you hit the goal, then you have a day of 2,000 cals and higher carbs. If you fail to get the goal, stay on until you do.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
LVZzed wrote:
josh.shafer wrote:
LVZzed wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
I just skimmed again, but I don’t see anythign about a break in period. I know with the V-Diet, you just go all out from the get go. The shock of it all might be the biggest plus…guess you’ll have to try it and find out.

Right on … I was thinking of jumping right in and see what happens. Promised myself I’d go do some cutting. See where I go energy-wise/workout-wise and maybe make it a one week on, one week off-thing, keeping my body surprised.

FWIW, I’m on day 3 right now and it’s much easier than originally thought. As long as strength doesn’t completely die off, I plan on deviating from my original plan and just going ahead with 4 weeks of this. It seems too easy so far to just not go ahead and try to lose 20 lbs. at once.

I am being open to the fact that it could get much harder, but so far, it’s gone pretty smooth.

BTW, I’ve been eating 3 oz. of chicken with 2 slices of center-cut bacon for most of my meals with 1 fish oil cap.

I had a can of tuna in the morning, a whey+EVOO-shake in the early afternoon, just went for a bikeride … contemplating what to eat next. Lucky I got some lowfat cottage cheese to get some casein from … but indeed, my lost love for chicken might be rediscovered the coming days :slight_smile: Got some hamburgers in the freezer I might wanna work through first though.

Energy has been okay for so far today. There’s a ‘heatwave’ ( well, temperature jumped ) over here so that’s also surpressing my hunger perhaps … Think I’ll make another shake soon, get some flax seeds in it for the fiber, an have a few fish oil caps instead of the EVOO … later tonight: a little cottage cheese or something. We’ll see :slight_smile:

Josh, you got the (e-)book? Cause I don’t and I wanted to jump in head-first (yeah, impulsive, “let’s shed fat!”) and cut my calories, so if there are any nuances to be applied, let me know plz.

Make sure both of you guys remembers to set you weekly weight loss goal. If you hit the goal, then you have a day of 2,000 cals and higher carbs. If you fail to get the goal, stay on until you do.
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Good point. Mine was hard to make the first week, because of glycogen weight from my last CHO up. I’m basically going for 4 lbs. less than my last “depleted” weighing.

I’m guessing the 200-250 g of CHO I get from the 2000 calorie day will result in a minimal water gain?

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Well guys I finished reading the Metabolic Diet… its almost the same as the Anabolic Solution books except it covers alot more about insulin sensitivity and customization. If your having trouble with the basic version of the diet then I would recommend picking this up to see if you need to customize it.

Plus just all the information about various supplements like creatine and glutamine is really good. I’d highly recommend it, but… if you have a choice between the MD book or the AS for Bodybuilders book, I would recommend the latter, just because the MD doesn’t go through the various phases of the diet.

Lastly, I really liked the MD book because of it’s information about carb loads, since I was extremely fuzzy on that part of the diet it really helped out.

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Good day gentlemen…just thought I’d pop in for a mo to ask “who is using this diet for gaining?”

Hope everyones moving closer to their goals.

 OMC
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OK, tricky one this!..Over Easter I binged for 4 days ;0( So now I’m back on the adaption phase (day 7 of 14 today) and I have noticed something strange that maybe related to AD…so here comes the delicate part: My stools over the last week have all been “floaters”, which I believe is caused by fat not being digested by the body. Would this be a sign that I am not “fat adapted” yet. I’ve never experienced floaters before in my whole life, even when doing my original adaption phase 2 months ago.

Anyone else experienced this and could it be used as an indication of fat adaption if it goes away? Just a bit worried that it might not go away and I’ll always think I have not properly re-adapted to using fat.

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You know I am OMC…thanks for the advice. Gaining going well bro. One of my training partners hasn’t seen me in two weeks, and I trained BACK and CALVES with him 2nite. He said, man your’e looking bigger and more defined. Now you know this comment gave me even more “UMF” to pull more weight, and I did…lol.

LOVE THE AD

good luck to us all…

Gymjunkie

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Just started my AD diet today and its going okay…i just wanted to put down my diet and get feedback from you guys. I seem to be trouble getting my protein up.

I just finished my V-diet and will consume 2,000 calories for the next two weeks before bumping up to 2,500.

Goal: 2000 calories, 135g of Fat; 195g of Protein and <30g of Carbs…

Meal #1 - 4 eggs and 3 Bacon
Calories: 280
Fat: 29 calories
Protein: 35
Carbs: 4

Meal #2 - .5 cup of mixed nuts
Calories: 340
Fat: 30
Protein: 12
Carbs: 6

Meal #3 - 2 Links of Beef Brats
Calories: 420
Fat: 38
Protein: 14
Carbs: 4

Meal #4 - .5 cups of mixed nuts
Calories: 340
Fat: 30
Protein: 12
Carbs: 6

Meal #5 - 1.5 cups of Spanish and 8 oz Steak
Calories: 480
Fat: 23
Protein: 67
Carbs: 0

Total: 2027 Calories 150g of Fat, 30g of Carbs and 141g of Protein.

I’m thinking i should replace beef brats with chicken or beef…good way to go?

Again, any suggestions/feedback is appreciated

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
Good point. Mine was hard to make the first week, because of glycogen weight from my last CHO up. I’m basically going for 4 lbs. less than my last “depleted” weighing.

I’m guessing the 200-250 g of CHO I get from the 2000 calorie day will result in a minimal water gain?
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Hmm, I didn’t set a goal yet actually, but I weighed myself this morning, came in at 102.2 kilo ( 225 pounds ) … how much should I expect to lose? Dunno at what rate I’m able to lose fat/weight, so I’ll aim for somwhere between 218 and 220 by the end of the week. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Going to do my first lifting session in a moment, see how that feels. Probably a bit more volume and less heavy weights today, just checking what can be done on this very low calorie diet.

Felt okay today though, had me a can of tuna, 2 eggs-and-some-bacon two times … now training, then some whey + evoo postworkout and later tonight some cottage cheese … haven’t really been hungry but I can imagine that kicking in soon. We’ll see…

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Questions on Cutting phase:

I’ve been bulking on the AD for 2 months now, very happy. have 2 more weeks and im going on to a cut for around 8 weeks…maybe 12 depending on results.

  1. I’m eating 4500cals. Should I drop 500pw until I start losing 2 lbs per week. or is 500 every week too drastic.

  2. The book says lower fat to lower calories…im a little weary of this, do any of you have guidelines for this? i was thinking lower fat & protein until protein reaches 1 oz per lb…then lower the fat alone…sound good? or keep protein high and lower fat from the start???

Thanks!!!

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
josh.shafer wrote:
Good point. Mine was hard to make the first week, because of glycogen weight from my last CHO up. I’m basically going for 4 lbs. less than my last “depleted” weighing.

I’m guessing the 200-250 g of CHO I get from the 2000 calorie day will result in a minimal water gain?

Hmm, I didn’t set a goal yet actually, but I weighed myself this morning, came in at 102.2 kilo ( 225 pounds ) … how much should I expect to lose? Dunno at what rate I’m able to lose fat/weight, so I’ll aim for somwhere between 218 and 220 by the end of the week. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Going to do my first lifting session in a moment, see how that feels. Probably a bit more volume and less heavy weights today, just checking what can be done on this very low calorie diet.

Felt okay today though, had me a can of tuna, 2 eggs-and-some-bacon two times … now training, then some whey + evoo postworkout and later tonight some cottage cheese … haven’t really been hungry but I can imagine that kicking in soon. We’ll see…

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I’d like to lose 20 lbs. in a month, so I changed my mind, once again, and decided to give myself 5 lbs. per phase.

Still no hunger here, myself. I’ve kept to the 1200 cals every day. I was waking up for food on 5000 cals, so this is kind of confusing to me.

Also, I’ve been staying at about 30% fat and 70% pro to salvage as much T as I can. Supps are fish oil (6 caps), Spike (on lifting days), HOT-ROX, tyrosine, taurine, ETS, and melatonin.

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Strange. No weight gain after 36-hour carb-up wherein I took in 700 grams of carbs. Weigh-in on Friday was 206. Weigh-in today was 206.4.

I did do the following: 35% of those carbs came post-workout. I also kept my cals below maintenance. (I ate 3100 on Saturday and 2800 on Sunday.) I didn’t eat any carbs after 2 p.m.

Anyone else not gain weight after the carb-up?

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[quote]Nutso wrote:
Again, any suggestions/feedback is appreciated
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Did I miss it or are you not ingesting fish oil? If you’re not, start today.

Second, are the beef brats you’re eating free of nitrates?

Other than that, your diet is fine.

Here’s what I eat pretty much every day:

eggs, cheddar cheese (vermont cheddar), greens plus, steak, broccoli, butter, olive oil, fish oil, spinach, basil, whey protein, almonds, walnuts, low-carb chocolate (the stuff with oligofructose, not the sugar alcohols).

There might be some variety, but that’s literally 90% of what I eat every day.

If you’re a creature of habit (I am) this is the easiest diet in the world to follow.

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I’m taking Flameout 4x a day, should have mentioned that. My bad. I need to order more…

The only “nitrate” i see is Sodium Nitrate but I take it from your question that it is a bad thing…

Chocolate! What I just ate today maxed out my 30g of carbs! My protein seems to be low, any way I can boost it up?

[quote]
If you’re a creature of habit (I am) this is the easiest diet in the world to follow.[/quote]

And I look forward to follow it! Thanks for your post. I appreciate it.

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
I’d like to lose 20 lbs. in a month, so I changed my mind, once again, and decided to give myself 5 lbs. per phase.

Still no hunger here, myself. I’ve kept to the 1200 cals every day. I was waking up for food on 5000 cals, so this is kind of confusing to me.

Also, I’ve been staying at about 30% fat and 70% pro to salvage as much T as I can. Supps are fish oil (6 caps), Spike (on lifting days), HOT-ROX, tyrosine, taurine, ETS, and melatonin.
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That reminds me, I need to get my fish oil caps in before bedtime!

Hunger isn’t different from much-calorie-days actually. Even helped a friend move some furniture to his new house AFTER training ( got hungry then but had me some pre-bed snacks right now ). I seem to be actually more focused now that I’m low-cal. We’ll see where it goes. Training was alright, didn’t go too heavy really, maybe tomorrow I’ll try to dig deeper :slight_smile:

Oh, and a funny one: I actually ate an apple today. They’re listed as fiber-rich foods in the Radical Diet book… h?h?. got me close to my 30gr limit there though.

So today I had: a can of tuna in oil / 2* 2eggs with a bit of bacon / a tiny slice of salami ( say 15 grams, it’s quite dense at 436 kcal/100gr ) / lifting session / whey shake with spoon of EVOO / an apple, some cottage cheese, with some whey … and soon, some fish oil :slight_smile:

Cool, really … not hungry even though I’m 6ft 3in and 225 lbs, and body fat say about 16 or 17% ( never had that accurately measured )

But yeah I seem to like this diet. My food supply will last a lot longer, that’s for sure, h?h?.
Depending on how much time ( and energy ! ) I’ve got, tomorrow will either be a lifting session or some HIIT cardio stuff for me.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
If you’re a creature of habit (I am) this is the easiest diet in the world to follow.[/quote]

you seem like you really like the diet alot… I’ve been reading up on it on this thread and online. The thing I’m wondering is whats the main difference between the BB and the PL books?

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Nutso wrote:
Again, any suggestions/feedback is appreciated

Did I miss it or are you not ingesting fish oil? If you’re not, start today.

Second, are the beef brats you’re eating free of nitrates?

Other than that, your diet is fine.

Here’s what I eat pretty much every day:

eggs, cheddar cheese (vermont cheddar), greens plus, steak, broccoli, butter, olive oil, fish oil, spinach, basil, whey protein, almonds, walnuts, low-carb chocolate (the stuff with oligofructose, not the sugar alcohols).

There might be some variety, but that’s literally 90% of what I eat every day.

If you’re a creature of habit (I am) this is the easiest diet in the world to follow.[/quote]

can you suggest a brand of the low carb chocolate you’re eating? I’ve been able to find some with oligofructose, but they still contain some form of sugar alcohol.