My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Hey guys, I just found something out. My sister eats a VLCD. She doesn’t realize that its very low carb diet, but all she eats are eggs, cheese, meat, and some toast sometimes. I’ve been just taking notice of this for the last week, and she couldn’t be taking in more than 75g of carbs per day. Alot of days she probably takes in no carbs. I’ve always wondered why she never gains weight, cuz she doesn’t workout or do any exercise whatsoever, but she still manages to have the “hourglass” shape that girls should have.

When I asked her about it she just said that that’s what makes her feel best, plus she likes the taste. She said she doesn’t like eating what my mom used to give us because of how tired it would make her (my mom used to give us oatmeal and cereal in the mornings).

I always attributed it to her having a fast metabolism, but now that I’ve learned so much about food and whatnot… I know better.

Just thought I’d share that with you guys because its a real world example of what not being brainfucked can do.

[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Don’t take this the wrong way, dude but:

Your stats say 6’0 at 190 lbs at 11%bf.

And yet you can’t see abs? Do you (or have you) ever worked them out? Are your numbers in your profile correct?

Just askin’ because something does not sound right. Maybe post your weekly P/F/C numbers…that may help.

AD

Agreed. In general, at 11% a person should be able to see his abs - no six pack, but they should certainly be visible.

Well the fat analyzer fluctates between 10.9 and 12.0% b.f. depending on how many days it is after my carb up or the time of day. Who knows how accurate this piece of shit is…

Anyway… I can see the top of my abs, but I am in my mid 30’s and have a little “pouch” the covers my bottom half of my tummy that won’t go away. And yes I want the whole six pack! Or at least get rid of the pouch so that I can beef up a bit, because like the doc says, don’t think of beefing up until you can see your abs…

6’ at 190 isn’t exactly thick…I’m not certain, but it sounds kinda skinny for your height.

The reason I’m saying this is that the more LBM you have, the more effective at fat burning you’ll be.

I personally started the AD bulking at 22% BF and have gained over 15 pounds (and counting) and have dropped to about 16% bf.

It was the best decision I ever made (nutrition-wise)…not dieting to 10%.

So, as many others I think will say, you should consider doing the bulk at your current BF level and not worrying about cutting down until you are at least 210.

But that is my .02 and I’m the same age, am 4 inches shorter and only 10 pounds lighter than you, so maybe that will help with your decision.

AD

The problem is that when I ate more, my body fat went up, so naturally I cut back the calories because my body fat went up. After I scaled back my cals, then I started to lose the bodyfat.

Right now I actually haven’t had my body fat analyzed because it was at my last job and I don’t work there anymore. Nor do I have access to the doctor’s scale that they had there, but my bathroom scale goes between 185 at the end of carb ups and 179 towards the end of the week.

I have been stuck in this rut on the diet for some time now. To complicate things, my new job often makes it a pain in the ass to work my legs because I always have my partner watch my form.

So I suspect that maybe I lost some mass in my lower body while gaining some in my upper body.

So now I don’t know where to go with this diet. It seems like if I stay at my current caloric intake, that I stay the same, but I don’t want to increase my fat percentage.

Well, I gave you my opinion (for what it’s worth) and I stick to it.

No offense meant, but it sounds like you are wayyyy overcomplicatings it. Think longer term. Good luck

AD

But your opinion is against what he says in his book. In his book he says to cut first, then bulk after you can see your abs…

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The book was also made for pro bodybuilders who already had lots of mass who wanted to look “jacked up” without anabolic aids (steroids).

I’m not certain the good doc wrote it for people like me (who started out as skinny…ok, skinnier).

It sure works though.

Thus, I stand by my opinion and advice given. Take it or leave it dude. :wink:

AD

addendum to last post:

Of course the guys who this eating program was made for were already big and well developed athletes…not guys like me who were pretty skinny and looking to add tons of mass.

-big difference in target audience, perhaps?

Either way, it really has helped me (doing it as I stated).

AD

[quote]xtolgax wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

Well, I gave you my opinion (for what it’s worth) and I stick to it.

No offense meant, but it sounds like you are wayyyy overcomplicatings it. Think longer term. Good luck

AD

But your opinion is against what he says in his book. In his book he says to cut first, then bulk after you can see your abs…

so then do what the book says. or don’t. stop thinking so much.[/quote]

Agreed…that’s what I meant by “overcomplicating things.”

AD

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:

Honestly, yes. Any high quality whey.cas. blend is fine. Metabolic Drive would be great. Add some flax seeds, a multi vitamin, fish oil caps and maybe calcium and ZMA. Shit, you could get all of what I just wrote for a fraction of what he charges for the protein powder alone!

I think HOT-ROX would prob. help as well, even if just as an appetite suppresant.

For those wondering, the diet is basically:

1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

If you hit your goal, you get the carb up, if you don’t then you have to stay on until you do.

The list of things to eat is pretty standard for anyone on the AD…just not a lot of it! 1,200 cals gets used up pretty damn quickly.

He reccomends using this as a quick fat loss plan, or as a kick start to the AD or Met. Diets.


So, I’m a little torn. It’s completely insane, which makes me want to do it. Very velocity diet like, except you can eat some solid food.

So, I’m wondering if I should do it now and be done with fatloss, moving back into maintence on the AD (very easy for me).

Or, diet slowly and use this as a finisher a few weeks before summer.

Not sure which way to go…don’t even know if I have say, 20lbs of fat to lose. Last time I was 230, I had abs…but I’m bigger now, so 240 might be the number…which would be a loss of 12ish lbs.

I’ll think this over this weekend. But, whenever I decide to do it, I’ll blog the whole thing out here.

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I bought the book. My impulsiveness got the best of me as well. I’m going to start one week on, one week off starting tomorrow for hopefully 6-8 weeks.

I found out I might be going to the beach in June for a few days. I was looking around for PSMF type diets to use (basically AD with lower cals) to get into better shape for the vacation. Hopefully cycling on and off will allow me to do all the activities I’d like to do on my regular AD weeks.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:

The book was also made for pro bodybuilders who already had lots of mass who wanted to look “jacked up” without anabolic aids (steroids).

I’m not certain the good doc wrote it for people like me (who started out as skinny…ok, skinnier).

It sure works though.

Thus, I stand by my opinion and advice given. Take it or leave it dude. :wink:

AD[/quote]

Actually he stresses that his system is for drug free lifting throughout his whole book. Are you calling him a liar?
Or perhaps you think that you know his system better than he does?

[quote]Pauli D wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
What does under control mean? You don’t shit your pants and go to sleep (not in that order) at about 2 pm?

You know what I crave now that I’m on the VD that I never craved on the AD? -chris

Chris,

Your posts always make me laugh…

You’re doin’ the V-Diet thang?
I thought you’d done that already.

Is this round two? -Three?
What gives…??

Start 'splain’n here buddy

…I could use a chuckle :wink:

peace [/quote]

same as Il caz, the CHO ups sure did help me get strong but I was careless and became a little fatty (lost the abs). Plus now I have to get down to a fighting weight of 160 ish and figured no better way to tune in my discipline and psychology than the VD.

I’ve done it before but that was moons ago and I have since fuked up that leanness in order to get much stronger than I have ever been.

-chris

PSA TIME!

NOTE TO ALL ADer’s (esp. trib):

Ostrich egg season will be in full swing in about 3 days. Go to your local market and pick up said ostrich eggs. Each 1 ostrich egg is about 22-24 chicken eggs. that’s like a days protein right there.

They also make bitchin lowCHO egg salad and you only have to crack one eggy for a monster batch. And 1 egg takes like 40 min to hard boil so it’s just fire and forget in a big pot.

I also suggest the ostriches themselves. The meat is red and yummy.

Don’t tell the cattle ranchers I told you this.

-chris

[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

The book was also made for pro bodybuilders who already had lots of mass who wanted to look “jacked up” without anabolic aids (steroids).

I’m not certain the good doc wrote it for people like me (who started out as skinny…ok, skinnier).

It sure works though.

Thus, I stand by my opinion and advice given. Take it or leave it dude. :wink:

AD

Actually he stresses that his system is for drug free lifting throughout his whole book. Are you calling him a liar?
Or perhaps you think that you know his system better than he does?

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Calm down. Take a breath. Re-read what I said…

I never said anything about not being a drug free method…in fact, it was saying “without anabolic aids (Steroids).”

I’ve said nothing to warrant a blatant attack such as this. I never said anything like that which you have written, and quite frankly I don’t appreciate it.

What I said was that the advice in the books (while useful and beneficial for almost anyone) was originally for a different target audience before it became the book we now refer to.

It’s important (when reading any book of any genre) to keep in mind who it’s talking to and why it’s written, or sometimes the whole meaning is lost.

In this case, the the good doctor “wrote the book” on using food to mimic the anabolic effects of steroids. This came about partially because the World Bodybuilding Federation (now disbanded) wanted their athletes to get clean yet maintain their muscle mass and low bodyfat percentages. Dr. DiPasquale refined the Anabolic diet to help them do this.

Thus, it can be concluded that it was originally made primarily for that crowd…but again, is very beneficial for many others.

AD

Anyone else doing “two-a-days” on the carb-ups? On my carb-up (24 hours), I do HIIT in the a.m., take in all sorts of carbs; and then do a uppper-body workout at night, followed by more carbs.

When I do 36 hour carb-up, I life lower-body in the a.m. and then carb-up. Since there are no carbs eaten after 5 p.m., I don’t do a two-a-day.

Anyone else do this? Seems to work really well for me. The extra workout even allows me to eat an additional 500 guilt-free calories. (TCBY is my second post-workout meal after my p.m. workout.)

[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Ostrich egg season will be in full swing in about 3 days. [/quote]

I’ve been waiting for this day to come. Thanks for the reminder!

I’ve tried a few protocols in my day. I prefer (for the results being good quality) to add cals straight across the board. Trying to stuff my caloric surplus into the weekend load IF I kept the weekdays pretty “maintenance” cals was always a risky proposition. Olive oil and protein powder are so easy to add and they never bloat or cause my fingers to resemble bratwurst.

I groove on adding olive oil and protein shakes to add to my weekday intake and then adding more clean CHO on the weekends. I don’t care if you’re 2% bf, DONT try to mass up on Little Debbie’s and Fruit Loops!

I also advocate some training over the weekend. Anything will do, but I’ll usually shift my workout scheme to allow for some high volume work. It’s all about keeping a good eye on how YOU respond. Even some active recovery work, raquetball, or soccer for sissies like IC, will help out. You have a limited capactiy to hold glycogen in the muscle, so you can overdo it by trying to do 2,000 cals per weekday and then 10,000 Sat and Sun each. You will burn CHO and fat simultaneously for at least the first 24 hours of the load, so it’s not a cut and dry caluculation on what your lean bodyweight is and then figuring how much glycogen you can hold. Like all things bodybuilding, it looks good on paper, but you need more. Like I once heard, “a plan is just something to deviate from”.

That being said, some people’s systems can jack the throttle so hard and fast that they don’t add fat with these huge loads. Eat up, frat boy. It’ll change in 10 years.

Anyway, before I get too windy, you’ve got to try a few options out:

A standard increase of about 200 cals per day (both phases) while checking your bodyfat fluctuation with some calipers is effective. As I’ve said before, I don’t care if they cost $10 or $150, we are watching where you are going as a trend. Also, realistically, despite nobody ever telling you, it’s tough to always nail a good suprailiac or umbilicus measurement that are both good and consistent. A pair of jeans, while rather low-tech, are just as viable to watch that you are creeping up on the scale but not putting on too much of the lovin’ stuff.

A second option is to determine what your weekly intake is currently. Say 2000 cals per day. So 14,000 weekly. Well let’s bump that about 10% to 15,500 or so ( I said about you smartmouths!). Now, keep daily intake at 2000 per day (or even down a bit if you gain fat easily), and make Sat and Sun 2700-2800 each. Then adjust as necessary.

A third option is to stair step your intake. Doc metions this one. IF I need 21,000 cals per week to grow (3000 per day) then I can randomly fluctuate from day to day as long as your weekly sum equates to 21,000. Again, after two weeks you should assess and decide if you are on track here. Bump up again, or hold for awhile.

A fourth option is the highly touted, NASA inspired, top governmental secret of tossing a coin. Determine what is maintenance intake and call that “tails”, then multiply this by 1.25 and call this your “heads” day. Wake up, flip that coin, and go with it. Feel free to use your secret spy coin.

Fluctuational patterns work for more experienced people best, or for those with ADHD, besides it’s just so much fun!

But, remember what I always say. Find what is maintaing your current weight and bf%. Then, ONLY add 200 cals to your daily amount. Stick with this for about 2-4 weeks. If all is well with respect to your calipers/jeans-o-meter, then bump your intake by another 200 and wait again.

I know this seems to be a bit of a pain, but I’m telling you straight, I don’t care for formulas. They are guesswork in the end. Everybody can keep track of what their intake totals are for a week. That is what keeps you where you are at. Now, the whole “secret” is some common sense and observation. By adding only 200 cals to your daily intake and then seeing how you do, you can eventually find your “sweet spot”. That intake that allows you to gain maximally BUT is just under where you gain too much fat.

If you start at a weight of about a buck fifty and take in 2000 cals then you’ll do it like so:

Week 1: determine what your daily intake is. YES, you big baby you need to actually do the math and write it down. NO, Mr. Anal Retentive you don’t have to use decimals.

Weeks 2,3,4: (Assuming you found 2000 as your intake above) add 200 cals to your daily intake. Weekdays and weekends both. So, 2,200 cals per day, every day.

Assess after week 3 or 4. Did the scale creep up some? Do your britches still fit properly (do this a few days AFTER the load and do it the same day every time to minimize fluid fluctuations possibly freaking you out)

If you say “yes” I’m up a few pounds, and “yes”, I’m still fine around the waist, then proceed again:

Week 5,6,7: add 200 to the previous intake. So, 2,400 cals.

Assess after week 7:

And on, and on. UNITIL that fateful day when yes indeed the scales they are acreepin’ but your woman says you look fat in those jeans! No, just kiddin, tubby. Just until you start to get too snug to button your blues. Then just back up maybe 100 cals per day and assess in another 2 weeks. If you are still creeping slowly AND you’re still buttoned up, then you’ve found your sweet spot.

Congratulations. You’ve now learned two things: just how much you can tolertate to take in to gain mass without fattening up too much, and a system that is simple and effective.

Its really giving you concrete numbers to go about your eating in a rational/systematic way. Nobody can do this for your. No formula is going to nail it on the head. Experience has shown that to gain, most need at least 12x bw to get started. And you may need 24x bw to finally top out. But you’ve got to start somewhere, so I gave it to you.

You go do. When it’s done, you’ll know more than about 6 billion other peoples (<–props to Thib) on Earth. Even Charles Poliquin can’t shake a palm leaf at you, do a tribal dance and look for hidden meaning in the secret ideograms that MUST be present in dog droppings to divine this information. YOU and you alone can do this, and when you do, you’ve got all you’ll ever need to control your physique.

Dude, you’re your own Guru! :wink:

best,
DH

quote]scottiscool wrote:
If possible I’d like to get some insight on people that have used the AD for mass gains. What have people seen best results with, say averaging 5k calories a day all week, or 3500 weekdays and jack up the calories on weekends? Any other thoughts, especially from DH and Il cazzo or any other big boys out there are certainely welcome.

I’ve been on the diet for a good period of time but when I’m at school budget is low and therefore I’m on a permanent mantinence diet. Going home in a little less than one month and plan on using the summer time for some serious size gains. [/quote]

Doc mentions that it is fine for those on AAS. Somewhere toward the end of the original AD. Also in conversations I’ve had with him. Insulin control is the biggest advantage to the AAS lifter. He is already jacked up with androgens. It still works well, though.

DH

[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

The book was also made for pro bodybuilders who already had lots of mass who wanted to look “jacked up” without anabolic aids (steroids).

I’m not certain the good doc wrote it for people like me (who started out as skinny…ok, skinnier).

It sure works though.

Thus, I stand by my opinion and advice given. Take it or leave it dude. :wink:

AD

Actually he stresses that his system is for drug free lifting throughout his whole book. Are you calling him a liar?
Or perhaps you think that you know his system better than he does?

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For those of you who already have the Radical Diet (e-)Book, quick question: how would one roll into that diet? Is there a break-in phase or something? And would it be different for someone already on the AD ( yeah, … me :slight_smile: )?

Can I just go and drop my cals, say after this weekend, and ‘shock the system’? Or should I slowly work my way down over a few weeks? ( Was planning on lowering them anyway, need to lose some of the fat )

" Even some active recovery work, raquetball, or soccer for sissies like IC, will help out."

Sir, how DARE you. As if the fruit loop comment wasn’t enough. Would it be ok if I substitute Lucky Charms and .9 of a banana?

[quote]LVZzed wrote:
For those of you who already have the Radical Diet (e-)Book, quick question: how would one roll into that diet? Is there a break-in phase or something? And would it be different for someone already on the AD ( yeah, … me :slight_smile: )?

Can I just go and drop my cals, say after this weekend, and ‘shock the system’? Or should I slowly work my way down over a few weeks? ( Was planning on lowering them anyway, need to lose some of the fat )[/quote]

I just skimmed again, but I don’t see anythign about a break in period. I know with the V-Diet, you just go all out from the get go. The shock of it all might be the biggest plus…guess you’ll have to try it and find out.

DH is right…I’ve tried to carb up on junk and cereals and it’s friggin terrible. Now, I can do this very short term (like 6-8 hrs) and not have any trouble.

But, I think starting off with better carbs (oatmeal) and finishing up on faster things (fruit loops, damn it) would be ok. But also keep in mind that if I want to cut, I have to limit carb ups to ONE day. I can maintain on friday night-sat. night…and bulk on both days, but one of the days has to be fruit, oatmeal and the like.

I think one thing that people miss from the AD is that Doc said it should be experimented with. Start off strict, then find what works best for you.

I have a bunch of other shit to talk about, but I have a steak on the grill.

Oh, I love me some Fruit Loops, and not to mention Raspberry Zingers. But if I try to eat them for a load, independent of quality CHO, my fingers not only are the color of those Zingers, but the proportion of them too! Now, I can have them as desserts. Eat some pasta or oatmeal for the main course and then chase it with some goodies. I gotta keep it to about 75/25 though or I feel rotten.

Now,IC, what kind of a man runs around chasing a ball with a bunch of 150lb dudes? You should be ashamed of yourself, man.

Seriously, I’d love to see their faces when you get on the field. :wink: I had one of my kids, when I again “dad-coached” my son’s 7-8yr old team, ask me if I played for the NFL? That kid never was any good at soccer all season, but I still took a shine to such a smart boy nonetheless! :wink:

I had mom’s looking at me funny, because I get so into the game that I’m running all over the field with the kids. They still allow that until they’re about 10-12 here. I even did a mean kung-fu splits jump one time when the ball came out of nowhere and I caught it from the corner of my eye. Judging from the moms sitting in pop-up chairs, I did pretty well. A small crowd clapped for my performance. I’m sure my wife was very proud.

That same group of moms mugged me at the last game and forced me to coach basketball next. All 5’9" of me and never having done anything but football and TKD. We only won 2 out of 8 games, BUT everybody said we were the most improved team of the season. Considering that 3 of my 7 kids were overweight, I thought that was pretty good. Of course I took the gang to Dairy Queen for a season ending celebration. Plus it was a Saturday, and that Mint Oreo Blizzard was flirting with me.

Now, I too have dead cow awaiting me.

Good to see ya back around.

DH

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
DH is right…I’ve tried to carb up on junk and cereals and it’s friggin terrible. Now, I can do this very short term (like 6-8 hrs) and not have any trouble.

But, I think starting off with better carbs (oatmeal) and finishing up on faster things (fruit loops, damn it) would be ok. But also keep in mind that if I want to cut, I have to limit carb ups to ONE day. I can maintain on friday night-sat. night…and bulk on both days, but one of the days has to be fruit, oatmeal and the like.

I think one thing that people miss from the AD is that Doc said it should be experimented with. Start off strict, then find what works best for you.

I have a bunch of other shit to talk about, but I have a steak on the grill. [/quote]

Awwwww…
DH and Il Cazzo bantering back and forth…why it’s enough to make my ole’ heart go pitter-patter

:wink:

…for those of you who DON’T know…class is now in session.

Pay attention.

peace

im ramping my calories to w/e i eat now because i wanna get some mass. sadly enough ive never done a mass phase before however my lifts are all up to par fo rmy weight i suppose…165lbs…170 bench, 320 dead, 300squat…but is it normal to see my tummy swell like that of a drunk after saint pattys day? and is 800 cals too much for a PWO/before bed shake?