My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
josh.shafer wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Anyone know anything about Dr. Mauro’s “Radical Diet”? Saw it over at his site…seems like it might be an interesting read…anyone read it? any thoughts? anyone? Bueler?

I have not read it, nor even heard of it. It sounds intriguing, though. With summer coming and outdoor adventures in the wings, I can’t do a low cal diet right now, or I’d lose a ton of muscle. However, it sounds like somethings I’d be interested in doing in the future or a two weeks on, two weeks off kind of thing.

Well, stay tuned cause im impulsive and just bought the ebook. Says it will be sent in 3-4hrs, so you’ll have to wait till tomorrow night, but I’ll let you know. It’s billed as a very low calorie version of the Met. diet, claiming a typical 30lb fat loss in 8 weeks…

I lost 23 in 4 weeks on the VD, so it’s definetly possible. Maybe I’ll use it and go down to 235ish again.
[/quote]

Keep us informed dude…sounds interesting.

AD

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Whoa, that radical diet sounds nice … I’ve been on the AD for a while now ( muscle/strength gains are really kicking in now, maybe energy could be a bit better, still a bit dreary now and then ), and yeah, looking to lose some fat actually … think I’d rather do less-eating than looking for cardio-solutions.

Idunno … keep us informed Il Cazzo!

And I thought the AD was already radical ( I’m from Belgium, and nutritional habits and standards out here are still pretty much different from the US , dieting usually means: low fat/calorie restriction, etc, supplements are usually frowned upon, too ),
the Radical diet’s seems to be even more … radical :slight_smile:

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[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
What does under control mean? You don’t shit your pants and go to sleep (not in that order) at about 2 pm?

You know what I crave now that I’m on the VD that I never craved on the AD? -chris[/quote]

Chris,

Your posts always make me laugh…

You’re doin’ the V-Diet thang?
I thought you’d done that already.

Is this round two? -Three?
What gives…??

Start 'splain’n here buddy

…I could use a chuckle :wink:

peace

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'Cazz!
-Bueller here!

Hey nice find…
…I don’t know about the “Outdoor Adventures” stuff…but I bet I know some Indoor Soccer players that’d be happier to see you little …ha!

:wink:

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:

He’s kinda right. I’m skimming through it. Basically, low cal AD, then a higher carb higher calorie day. Seems solid so far.

[/quote]

Does it sound like you can do it without his supplements?

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Don’t take this the wrong way, dude but:

Your stats say 6’0 at 190 lbs at 11%bf.

And yet you can’t see abs? Do you (or have you) ever worked them out? Are your numbers in your profile correct?

Just askin’ because something does not sound right. Maybe post your weekly P/F/C numbers…that may help.

AD

Agreed. In general, at 11% a person should be able to see his abs - no six pack, but they should certainly be visible.

Well the fat analyzer fluctates between 10.9 and 12.0% b.f. depending on how many days it is after my carb up or the time of day. Who knows how accurate this piece of shit is…

Anyway… I can see the top of my abs, but I am in my mid 30’s and have a little “pouch” the covers my bottom half of my tummy that won’t go away. And yes I want the whole six pack! Or at least get rid of the pouch so that I can beef up a bit, because like the doc says, don’t think of beefing up until you can see your abs…

6’ at 190 isn’t exactly thick…I’m not certain, but it sounds kinda skinny for your height.

The reason I’m saying this is that the more LBM you have, the more effective at fat burning you’ll be.

I personally started the AD bulking at 22% BF and have gained over 15 pounds (and counting) and have dropped to about 16% bf.

It was the best decision I ever made (nutrition-wise)…not dieting to 10%.

So, as many others I think will say, you should consider doing the bulk at your current BF level and not worrying about cutting down until you are at least 210.

But that is my .02 and I’m the same age, am 4 inches shorter and only 10 pounds lighter than you, so maybe that will help with your decision.

AD[/quote]

The problem is that when I ate more, my body fat went up, so naturally I cut back the calories because my body fat went up. After I scaled back my cals, then I started to lose the bodyfat.

Right now I actually haven’t had my body fat analyzed because it was at my last job and I don’t work there anymore. Nor do I have access to the doctor’s scale that they had there, but my bathroom scale goes between 185 at the end of carb ups and 179 towards the end of the week.

I have been stuck in this rut on the diet for some time now. To complicate things, my new job often makes it a pain in the ass to work my legs because I always have my partner watch my form.

So I suspect that maybe I lost some mass in my lower body while gaining some in my upper body.

So now I don’t know where to go with this diet. It seems like if I stay at my current caloric intake, that I stay the same, but I don’t want to increase my fat percentage.

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:

He’s kinda right. I’m skimming through it. Basically, low cal AD, then a higher carb higher calorie day. Seems solid so far.

Does it sound like you can do it without his supplements?

[/quote]

Honestly, yes. Any high quality whey.cas. blend is fine. Metabolic Drive would be great. Add some flax seeds, a multi vitamin, fish oil caps and maybe calcium and ZMA. Shit, you could get all of what I just wrote for a fraction of what he charges for the protein powder alone!

I think HOT-ROX would prob. help as well, even if just as an appetite suppresant.

For those wondering, the diet is basically:

1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

If you hit your goal, you get the carb up, if you don’t then you have to stay on until you do.

The list of things to eat is pretty standard for anyone on the AD…just not a lot of it! 1,200 cals gets used up pretty damn quickly.

He reccomends using this as a quick fat loss plan, or as a kick start to the AD or Met. Diets.

So, I’m a little torn. It’s completely insane, which makes me want to do it. Very velocity diet like, except you can eat some solid food.

So, I’m wondering if I should do it now and be done with fatloss, moving back into maintence on the AD (very easy for me).

Or, diet slowly and use this as a finisher a few weeks before summer.

Not sure which way to go…don’t even know if I have say, 20lbs of fat to lose. Last time I was 230, I had abs…but I’m bigger now, so 240 might be the number…which would be a loss of 12ish lbs.

I’ll think this over this weekend. But, whenever I decide to do it, I’ll blog the whole thing out here.

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Btw, for anyone interested, at the MD site, they have an abridged version of the anabolic solution for powerlifters and bodybuilders for free…just gotta put in your email address.

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Hey guys, I have a question.

I bought a huge tin of extra virgin olive oil a month or so ago and I planned to use it to cook with as well as add to my shakes. The problem is that it doesn’t have a spout, so when I pour it out, it spills all over the place, making it hard to measure and even harder to clean up.

Would it be possible to transfer it from the tin to a storage bottle of some kind, wrapped in black electrical tape to keep the light out (like how flax oil is put in opaque bottles) or would the whole electrical tape business be unnecessary?

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
For those wondering, the diet is basically:
1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.
[/quote]

Yikes!
That sounds EX-treme!
Heavy Discipline needed there -fo sho!

Wow…I don’t know if I’d be as brave…mmmm Nope. I just decided -I’m SURE I wouldn’t be that brave!

:wink:

But hats off to you if ya do it Cazz…

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[quote]Sayjin wrote:
Hey guys, I have a question.

I bought a huge tin of extra virgin olive oil a month or so ago and I planned to use it to cook with as well as add to my shakes. The problem is that it doesn’t have a spout, so when I pour it out, it spills all over the place, making it hard to measure and even harder to clean up.

Would it be possible to transfer it from the tin to a storage bottle of some kind, wrapped in black electrical tape to keep the light out (like how flax oil is put in opaque bottles) or would the whole electrical tape business be unnecessary?
[/quote]

Pull up on the little white lid, then this small plastic spout comes out. That is if you get the same brand that I do. If that doesnt work then go head and do your idea. Not sure if its gonna matter with the electical tape thing, but go head and do it if you want. It couldnt hurt anything atleast.

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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
For those wondering, the diet is basically:
1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

Yikes!
That sounds EX-treme!
Heavy Discipline needed there -fo sho!

Wow…I don’t know if I’d be as brave…mmmm Nope. I just decided -I’m SURE I wouldn’t be that brave!

:wink:

But hats off to you if ya do it Cazz…[/quote]

Damn! that is low … and the whey/casein-blend is to be taken a few times throughout the day?

Hmm … 1000 - 1200 …
I’m at that point at noon I think …

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
For those wondering, the diet is basically:
1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

Yikes!
That sounds EX-treme!
Heavy Discipline needed there -fo sho!

Wow…I don’t know if I’d be as brave…mmmm Nope. I just decided -I’m SURE I wouldn’t be that brave!

:wink:

But hats off to you if ya do it Cazz…

Damn! that is low … and the whey/casein-blend is to be taken a few times throughout the day?

Hmm … 1000 - 1200 …
I’m at that point at noon I think …

[/quote]

There doesn’t seem to be any “set” times to take the shakes…but, as you see with the VD, shakes are nice because you know exactly how many cals you are eating.

But, yea, it’s extreme.

BTW, I reccomend the book highly…a lot of good info in there about general nutrition and a lot about the whole AD lifestyle.

P.S., I think we might have a pretty special guest stopping by here soon. :O)

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[quote]Sayjin wrote:
Hey guys, I have a question.

I bought a huge tin of extra virgin olive oil a month or so ago and I planned to use it to cook with as well as add to my shakes. The problem is that it doesn’t have a spout, so when I pour it out, it spills all over the place, making it hard to measure and even harder to clean up.

Would it be possible to transfer it from the tin to a storage bottle of some kind, wrapped in black electrical tape to keep the light out (like how flax oil is put in opaque bottles) or would the whole electrical tape business be unnecessary?
[/quote]

I’d tape it and put it in the refrig. Unless you can just find another bottle that is opaque.

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:

Pull up on the little white lid, then this small plastic spout comes out. That is if you get the same brand that I do. If that doesnt work then go head and do your idea. Not sure if its gonna matter with the electical tape thing, but go head and do it if you want. It couldnt hurt anything atleast.[/quote]

Thanks a lot, this solved the problem and saved me a lot of trouble. Almost time for my first carb up and I’m amped! Time to go back and read over some recommendations on whats best to eat during one.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
LVZzed wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
For those wondering, the diet is basically:
1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

Yikes!
That sounds EX-treme!
Heavy Discipline needed there -fo sho!

Wow…I don’t know if I’d be as brave…mmmm Nope. I just decided -I’m SURE I wouldn’t be that brave!

:wink:

But hats off to you if ya do it Cazz…

Damn! that is low … and the whey/casein-blend is to be taken a few times throughout the day?

Hmm … 1000 - 1200 …
I’m at that point at noon I think …

There doesn’t seem to be any “set” times to take the shakes…but, as you see with the VD, shakes are nice because you know exactly how many cals you are eating.

But, yea, it’s extreme.

BTW, I reccomend the book highly…a lot of good info in there about general nutrition and a lot about the whole AD lifestyle.

P.S., I think we might have a pretty special guest stopping by here soon. :O)
[/quote]

You know you can’t just leave us hangin’ like this. Do tell.

TELL ME…er, US!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
For those wondering, the diet is basically:
1,000-1,200 cals/day, AD style. If you hit your weekly goal, ex. 5lbs, then you get a one day carb up where you would get 2,000 cals. Then, right back to the low cal/low carb.

Yikes!
That sounds EX-treme!
Heavy Discipline needed there -fo sho!

Wow…I don’t know if I’d be as brave…mmmm Nope. I just decided -I’m SURE I wouldn’t be that brave!

:wink:

But hats off to you if ya do it Cazz…

Damn! that is low … and the whey/casein-blend is to be taken a few times throughout the day?

Hmm … 1000 - 1200 …
I’m at that point at noon I think …

[/quote]

Tell me about it…I think I’m about 5 bites into my second meal and I’m about at those numbers. :wink:

AD

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Don’t take this the wrong way, dude but:

Your stats say 6’0 at 190 lbs at 11%bf.

And yet you can’t see abs? Do you (or have you) ever worked them out? Are your numbers in your profile correct?

Just askin’ because something does not sound right. Maybe post your weekly P/F/C numbers…that may help.

AD

Agreed. In general, at 11% a person should be able to see his abs - no six pack, but they should certainly be visible.

Well the fat analyzer fluctates between 10.9 and 12.0% b.f. depending on how many days it is after my carb up or the time of day. Who knows how accurate this piece of shit is…

Anyway… I can see the top of my abs, but I am in my mid 30’s and have a little “pouch” the covers my bottom half of my tummy that won’t go away. And yes I want the whole six pack! Or at least get rid of the pouch so that I can beef up a bit, because like the doc says, don’t think of beefing up until you can see your abs…

6’ at 190 isn’t exactly thick…I’m not certain, but it sounds kinda skinny for your height.

The reason I’m saying this is that the more LBM you have, the more effective at fat burning you’ll be.

I personally started the AD bulking at 22% BF and have gained over 15 pounds (and counting) and have dropped to about 16% bf.

It was the best decision I ever made (nutrition-wise)…not dieting to 10%.

So, as many others I think will say, you should consider doing the bulk at your current BF level and not worrying about cutting down until you are at least 210.

But that is my .02 and I’m the same age, am 4 inches shorter and only 10 pounds lighter than you, so maybe that will help with your decision.

AD

The problem is that when I ate more, my body fat went up, so naturally I cut back the calories because my body fat went up. After I scaled back my cals, then I started to lose the bodyfat.

Right now I actually haven’t had my body fat analyzed because it was at my last job and I don’t work there anymore. Nor do I have access to the doctor’s scale that they had there, but my bathroom scale goes between 185 at the end of carb ups and 179 towards the end of the week.

I have been stuck in this rut on the diet for some time now. To complicate things, my new job often makes it a pain in the ass to work my legs because I always have my partner watch my form.

So I suspect that maybe I lost some mass in my lower body while gaining some in my upper body.

So now I don’t know where to go with this diet. It seems like if I stay at my current caloric intake, that I stay the same, but I don’t want to increase my fat percentage.

[/quote]

Well, I gave you my opinion (for what it’s worth) and I stick to it.

No offense meant, but it sounds like you are wayyyy overcomplicatings it. Think longer term. Good luck

AD

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Don’t take this the wrong way, dude but:

Your stats say 6’0 at 190 lbs at 11%bf.

And yet you can’t see abs? Do you (or have you) ever worked them out? Are your numbers in your profile correct?

Just askin’ because something does not sound right. Maybe post your weekly P/F/C numbers…that may help.

AD

Agreed. In general, at 11% a person should be able to see his abs - no six pack, but they should certainly be visible.

Well the fat analyzer fluctates between 10.9 and 12.0% b.f. depending on how many days it is after my carb up or the time of day. Who knows how accurate this piece of shit is…

Anyway… I can see the top of my abs, but I am in my mid 30’s and have a little “pouch” the covers my bottom half of my tummy that won’t go away. And yes I want the whole six pack! Or at least get rid of the pouch so that I can beef up a bit, because like the doc says, don’t think of beefing up until you can see your abs…

6’ at 190 isn’t exactly thick…I’m not certain, but it sounds kinda skinny for your height.

The reason I’m saying this is that the more LBM you have, the more effective at fat burning you’ll be.

I personally started the AD bulking at 22% BF and have gained over 15 pounds (and counting) and have dropped to about 16% bf.

It was the best decision I ever made (nutrition-wise)…not dieting to 10%.

So, as many others I think will say, you should consider doing the bulk at your current BF level and not worrying about cutting down until you are at least 210.

But that is my .02 and I’m the same age, am 4 inches shorter and only 10 pounds lighter than you, so maybe that will help with your decision.

AD

The problem is that when I ate more, my body fat went up, so naturally I cut back the calories because my body fat went up. After I scaled back my cals, then I started to lose the bodyfat.

Right now I actually haven’t had my body fat analyzed because it was at my last job and I don’t work there anymore. Nor do I have access to the doctor’s scale that they had there, but my bathroom scale goes between 185 at the end of carb ups and 179 towards the end of the week.

I have been stuck in this rut on the diet for some time now. To complicate things, my new job often makes it a pain in the ass to work my legs because I always have my partner watch my form.

So I suspect that maybe I lost some mass in my lower body while gaining some in my upper body.

So now I don’t know where to go with this diet. It seems like if I stay at my current caloric intake, that I stay the same, but I don’t want to increase my fat percentage.

Well, I gave you my opinion (for what it’s worth) and I stick to it.

No offense meant, but it sounds like you are wayyyy overcomplicatings it. Think longer term. Good luck

AD[/quote]

But your opinion is against what he says in his book. In his book he says to cut first, then bulk after you can see your abs…

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Don’t take this the wrong way, dude but:

Your stats say 6’0 at 190 lbs at 11%bf.

And yet you can’t see abs? Do you (or have you) ever worked them out? Are your numbers in your profile correct?

Just askin’ because something does not sound right. Maybe post your weekly P/F/C numbers…that may help.

AD

Agreed. In general, at 11% a person should be able to see his abs - no six pack, but they should certainly be visible.

Well the fat analyzer fluctates between 10.9 and 12.0% b.f. depending on how many days it is after my carb up or the time of day. Who knows how accurate this piece of shit is…

Anyway… I can see the top of my abs, but I am in my mid 30’s and have a little “pouch” the covers my bottom half of my tummy that won’t go away. And yes I want the whole six pack! Or at least get rid of the pouch so that I can beef up a bit, because like the doc says, don’t think of beefing up until you can see your abs…

6’ at 190 isn’t exactly thick…I’m not certain, but it sounds kinda skinny for your height.

The reason I’m saying this is that the more LBM you have, the more effective at fat burning you’ll be.

I personally started the AD bulking at 22% BF and have gained over 15 pounds (and counting) and have dropped to about 16% bf.

It was the best decision I ever made (nutrition-wise)…not dieting to 10%.

So, as many others I think will say, you should consider doing the bulk at your current BF level and not worrying about cutting down until you are at least 210.

But that is my .02 and I’m the same age, am 4 inches shorter and only 10 pounds lighter than you, so maybe that will help with your decision.

AD

The problem is that when I ate more, my body fat went up, so naturally I cut back the calories because my body fat went up. After I scaled back my cals, then I started to lose the bodyfat.

Right now I actually haven’t had my body fat analyzed because it was at my last job and I don’t work there anymore. Nor do I have access to the doctor’s scale that they had there, but my bathroom scale goes between 185 at the end of carb ups and 179 towards the end of the week.

I have been stuck in this rut on the diet for some time now. To complicate things, my new job often makes it a pain in the ass to work my legs because I always have my partner watch my form.

So I suspect that maybe I lost some mass in my lower body while gaining some in my upper body.

So now I don’t know where to go with this diet. It seems like if I stay at my current caloric intake, that I stay the same, but I don’t want to increase my fat percentage.

Well, I gave you my opinion (for what it’s worth) and I stick to it.

No offense meant, but it sounds like you are wayyyy overcomplicatings it. Think longer term. Good luck

AD

But your opinion is against what he says in his book. In his book he says to cut first, then bulk after you can see your abs…

[/quote]

so then do what the book says. or don’t. stop thinking so much.