Today is day for me. I’m looking to lose weight and keep strength for BJJ.
Thanx for the advice. It’s interesting… I had almost no hunger on Monday and very little today. I’m running with it though. I dropped my daily total from close to 5000 to a little over 1000 yesterday. Back to normal today. I’ll pick up the “lost” calories later in the week to ensure I get my weekly total.
Scrappy, my roommate just started the AD yesterday. I don’t know how serious you are into BJJ, but she’s been competing in BJJ for several years. I hope you post the effect it has on your training. It will be interesting to read your posts and compare it with my roommate’s. Good luck!
I got back on the AD yesterday. I keep on forgetting how much better I like eating this way. I just don’t like shopping or cooking for the AD as much.
Today is Day 11 on my break-in phase. I won’t be doing the first carb load until Friday, so I’ll have 13 days on the break-in. No matter though, I feel so good I hardly even want to carb up. Of course I will though, but just the ‘clean’ stuff. I already ate very little refined carbs or sugar before the AD, so this won’t be a problem.
I’m giving myself props for making it through the holiday weekend away from home without a single deviation from the diet plan. I showed up at my sister’s home with a whole box of my own food. While everyone else was eating cherry cobbler, I was having spinach and sauteed beef chunks.
I also noticed something interesting: I was jumping on the trampoline for quite a while and keeping right up with the kids (I’m 37). I was hardly even winded! I’m not sure I can attribute that to the AD, but that’s the first time that much jumping didn’t wipe me out. Interesting…
I took those measurements. Upper arms, neck, thighs, calves all measure same as before AD. Waist down an inch, hips down 1.5 inches, and chest down an inch. all my fat places. I put 1/4 of an inch on my forearms. Weight is only down 5 lbs. I’m into week four now and am starting to see the areas that need work. For instance I need more calories on the carb up. DH could you give a typical carb day food log? That would be most helpful! I can only eat so many sweet potatoes and oatmeal. My strength is a little better after the carb up. My recovery is better and I’ve lost a lot of fat already. I look bigger but am just leaner. Good “dieting” to all! Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome!
I finally figured out what to do about flax seeds: Mix them in whipped cream (just the plain aerosol stuff that you usually eat out of the can) and you’ve got dessert. Perhaps I’ll experiment with adding protein powder or freezing it. No more feeling guilty about eating sausage, I’m all healthy fats from here on out (except for cheese, which of course is why I like the AD in the first place).
[quote]mdragon wrote:
Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome![/quote]
if you liked half and half you should give heavy whipping cream a try. It’s AMAZING
[quote]mdragon wrote:
I took those measurements. Upper arms, neck, thighs, calves all measure same as before AD. Waist down an inch, hips down 1.5 inches, and chest down an inch. all my fat places. I put 1/4 of an inch on my forearms. Weight is only down 5 lbs. I’m into week four now and am starting to see the areas that need work. For instance I need more calories on the carb up. DH could you give a typical carb day food log? That would be most helpful! I can only eat so many sweet potatoes and oatmeal. My strength is a little better after the carb up. My recovery is better and I’ve lost a lot of fat already. I look bigger but am just leaner. Good “dieting” to all! Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome![/quote]
im not DH but here is what mine looked like last time
-5 cups dry oatmeal(yeah im hyooge)=250grams CHO
-2 sweet potatos=~100 grams CHO(mine were hyooge)
-loaf of 100% WWheat=~200 CHO
-WWheat pasta= 100grams CHO
-pasta sauce+jelly=~100 grams CHO
-incidentals=~50 grams
comes to about 700 grams CHO, if i eat more it is usually from WWheat bread as it isnt as filling as the oatmeal or pasta to me.
Second that. I use heavy cream (with water)in all of my protein drinks for the AD. With DH’s suggestion of adding a little sugar-free Jello, it tastes good enough to make me feel guilty!
[quote]milkmeasurer wrote:
mdragon wrote:
Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome!
if you liked half and half you should give heavy whipping cream a try. It’s AMAZING[/quote]
I’m impressed Owen70. That’s as clean a loading day as I’ve seen. Kudos to your self control. I’ll list mine in a few days. SPOILER: not as clean as O70’s. ;-). I know. Spank me.
DH
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
mdragon wrote:
I took those measurements. Upper arms, neck, thighs, calves all measure same as before AD. Waist down an inch, hips down 1.5 inches, and chest down an inch. all my fat places. I put 1/4 of an inch on my forearms. Weight is only down 5 lbs. I’m into week four now and am starting to see the areas that need work. For instance I need more calories on the carb up. DH could you give a typical carb day food log? That would be most helpful! I can only eat so many sweet potatoes and oatmeal. My strength is a little better after the carb up. My recovery is better and I’ve lost a lot of fat already. I look bigger but am just leaner. Good “dieting” to all! Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome!
im not DH but here is what mine looked like last time
-5 cups dry oatmeal(yeah im hyooge)=250grams CHO
-2 sweet potatos=~100 grams CHO(mine were hyooge)
-loaf of 100% WWheat=~200 CHO
-WWheat pasta= 100grams CHO
-pasta sauce+jelly=~100 grams CHO
-incidentals=~50 grams
comes to about 700 grams CHO, if i eat more it is usually from WWheat bread as it isnt as filling as the oatmeal or pasta to me.[/quote]
I’m new to the AD and I’ve got just a few questions before I consider going on it.
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I’m currently on Massive Eating, and I’ve had great success over the last 3-4 months. Typical skinny hardgainer and I’ve finally been able to pack on some pounds. In light of this I was wondering if anyone knew what Dr. JB’s thoughts were on this diet. I know he recommends PWO nutrition to include a lot of carbs. This diet and JB’s advice seem to be polar opposites, any comments?
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As I mentioned I’m mainly interested in bulking up. I’m not interested in the cutting phase of AD to maintain below 10% bodyfat. Would it be hard to maintain the bulking phase for a long period of time (at least a few months). It seemed from Shugart’s article he kind of implied that bulking on the AD was hard due to the amount of calories you need to take in on a high fat diet. So is the AD a lot easier for losing body fat while maintaining muscle and opposed to bulking up for longer periods of time?
Thanks any advice is appreciated.
[quote]Farmer_jay wrote:
- I’m currently on Massive Eating, and I’ve had great success over the last 3-4 months. Typical skinny hardgainer and I’ve finally been able to pack on some pounds. In light of this I was wondering if anyone knew what Dr. JB’s thoughts were on this diet. I know he recommends PWO nutrition to include a lot of carbs. This diet and JB’s advice seem to be polar opposites, any comments? [/quote]
I’d have to first ask, if you “had(have) great success over the past 3-4 months with massive eating” and you are not looking to cut with this diet, WHY would you switch plans? Let it bleed until dry, then make a new cut, to phrase it gothly haha. If there is some other reason, just re-post and ill write something more intelligent up
[quote]Farmer_jay wrote:
2) As I mentioned I’m mainly interested in bulking up. I’m not interested in the cutting phase of AD to maintain below 10% bodyfat. Would it be hard to maintain the bulking phase for a long period of time (at least a few months). It seemed from Shugart’s article he kind of implied that bulking on the AD was hard due to the amount of calories you need to take in on a high fat diet. So is the AD a lot easier for losing body fat while maintaining muscle and opposed to bulking up for longer periods of time?
[/quote] see the above.
And with regards to your question on PWO nutrition, I REALLY think the amount of carbs the JB reccomends is high, like unless you are a complete fucking ecto who works 2 construction jobs. I have been cutting for like 8 weeks now, i never ever have carbs in my protein shake, and i have only lost 1/4th inch off my arms in the entire time, which is pretty good considering how much fat i have lost. But since you are saying you are an ecto, I think probably 10-30 grams per shake, depending on the volume of the session, is a fine amount.
Thanks any advice is appreciated.[/quote]
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
I’m impressed Owen70. That’s as clean a loading day as I’ve seen. Kudos to your self control. I’ll list mine in a few days. SPOILER: not as clean as O70’s. ;-). I know. Spank me.
DH[/quote]
haha, well i only have to keep it that clean when i get down to the dirty dirty amount of BF. above 20%, you can basically do the refeed entirely with junk food(although results obviously prob wont be as good). at 20-14(14=about my setpoint)%, you can still eat sugar-free shit little debbie type shit for like 1/2 of your carbs. <14% and my dieting progress really starts getting fucked up.the amount of BF you have left on your ass i think is pretty inverse to the amount of bullshit you can get away with(inverse as in BF% x 2=% of bullshit you can eat on the carbup or something scientific like that, sorry ive got like 60 ounces of heinekin in me
[quote]Farmer_jay wrote:
I’m new to the AD and I’ve got just a few questions before I consider going on it.
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I’m currently on Massive Eating, and I’ve had great success over the last 3-4 months. Typical skinny hardgainer and I’ve finally been able to pack on some pounds. In light of this I was wondering if anyone knew what Dr. JB’s thoughts were on this diet. I know he recommends PWO nutrition to include a lot of carbs. This diet and JB’s advice seem to be polar opposites, any comments?
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As I mentioned I’m mainly interested in bulking up. I’m not interested in the cutting phase of AD to maintain below 10% bodyfat. Would it be hard to maintain the bulking phase for a long period of time (at least a few months). It seemed from Shugart’s article he kind of implied that bulking on the AD was hard due to the amount of calories you need to take in on a high fat diet. So is the AD a lot easier for losing body fat while maintaining muscle and opposed to bulking up for longer periods of time?
Thanks any advice is appreciated.[/quote]
I was in your same boat a few weeks ago FarmerJay. I had followed JB’s Massive Eating for about 3 months, and gained around 15lbs of good mass. The gains, however, stopped coming, and I decided to switch. I like the AD primarily for it’s ease of use, you don’t have to figure our 3 macronutrients on weekdays, only two. Less variables=less complications=me being more able to follow the diet.
Coming right off of massive eating makes this diet pretty easy to get into also. What I did before I even started was gradually switch to only P+F meals. I added one more P+F in place of a P+C every other day until I was almost totally on P+F, (I was getting around 50g carbs here). Once I reached that point, the “break-in” phase of the AD was MUCH easier than I’ve gathered it can be when you are on a carb dependant diet.
I’m not trying to “convert” anyone, just telling what I personally did, and what worked for me. If you are still good on the ME diet, like Owen said, stick with it. If your gains have halted, like mine did, give the AD a shot, you won’t be dissapointed!
Thanks Owen70
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
mdragon wrote:
I took those measurements. Upper arms, neck, thighs, calves all measure same as before AD. Waist down an inch, hips down 1.5 inches, and chest down an inch. all my fat places. I put 1/4 of an inch on my forearms. Weight is only down 5 lbs. I’m into week four now and am starting to see the areas that need work. For instance I need more calories on the carb up. DH could you give a typical carb day food log? That would be most helpful! I can only eat so many sweet potatoes and oatmeal. My strength is a little better after the carb up. My recovery is better and I’ve lost a lot of fat already. I look bigger but am just leaner. Good “dieting” to all! Oh yeah I tried half and half with my protein shake and it is awesome!
im not DH but here is what mine looked like last time
-5 cups dry oatmeal(yeah im hyooge)=250grams CHO
-2 sweet potatos=~100 grams CHO(mine were hyooge)
-loaf of 100% WWheat=~200 CHO
-WWheat pasta= 100grams CHO
-pasta sauce+jelly=~100 grams CHO
-incidentals=~50 grams
comes to about 700 grams CHO, if i eat more it is usually from WWheat bread as it isnt as filling as the oatmeal or pasta to me.[/quote]
Plenty of protein and fish oils for 12 12-day break in cycles. Who’s gonna clean it though?
Okay I started on Monday and so far I feel great. I’ve been eating lots of red meat, cheese, tuna with mayo, eggs, water, taking a fiber supplement and getting some lettuce in. I’m also using butter and eating nuts. No cool whip yet and I can’t stand jello so I won’t be going there. Too bad there is no low carb pudding… When I get tired of water I have one of those zero carb waters with flavor like aquafina. Gatorade’s propel only has 3 carbs. Anyone know of a good electrolyte drink with 0-low carbs?
I’m already looking forward to the carb up next Friday.
So far I feel very strong on this diet and I’m hot all the time and sweating like others report.
I’m taking glutamine/aminos during/post workout and I find them working well without carbs.
I tried this so long ago when it came out in 95ish but I had since lost the book. I couldn’t stick with it then cause I was basically too young to buy my own food at this quantity. I later got side tracked by all the other keto diets and tried them with minimal success and a lot of struggling. I’m doing it to lose bodyfat and get as strong as possible. I’m just getting back into lifting/sprinting and brazillian jiu jitsu after a layoff/surgery and I’m hoping this diet helps with fat loss but keeps my explosive strength up.
This diet is surprisingly easy so far.
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
Too bad there is no low carb pudding… [/quote]
There is such a thing. Take two scoops of chocolate Low-Carb Grow!, mix with a few ounces of water, add a little natural peanut butter if you can spare the carbs, and bam! – Anabolic Pudding.
well muthafuckahs, how are you all doing on this diet so far?
Personally, I’m still lovin the diet. The day after tommorow is my second carb-up, so I’m looking forward to that. No changes as of today in body weight, but I may have gone down a % or two. My lower abs certainly seem to be more defined, and my whole abdominal area feels a good bit harder when I flex it.
The only issue I’m having is with gettin enough veggies in. Usually, after eggs and protein powder and nuts etc. I’m left with only 5-10g CHO to devote to vegetables. This usually equates into a large spinach salad or two, and maybe a carrot. How do you guys get in enough veggies without going overboard on CHO? Also, how much cheese is too much, cause I’ve been eating a ton.