[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Damn JoeBob, that’s great news. I’m on my first carb-up starting today, and haven’t really experienced any effects yet. I’ve only eaten 2 meals so far though. When did you first experience a noticable difference in your workouts after carbing up?[/quote]
I really didn’t notice too much of a pump on last Saturdays workout. Today was awesome though. I ate 2 cups of oats, one cup of mixed berries, and a scoop of Grow! and a banana pre workout. I drank one serving of Surge during and one a few minutes after my workout. I went six days before my carb up so I felt completely depleted and flat. About half way through my workout I just exploded. It might have also been the Waterburyish (a new word for ya) workout I did today. I am not used to bodybuilding type workouts.
I just destroyed some banana-caramel pancakes at my local waffle house. I’m now eating a big bowl of oatmeal and blueberries with a handfull of Fish oil caps to curb the damage.
I literally finished eating the pancakes and felt like going for a nap…
Well I’m almost done with my first carb-up, only two more meals to go until I get to switch back to FAT GLORIOUS FAT!!! Seriously, the carbs just don’t fill you up like fat does. This may have been because I ate super clean this first time (e.g. oats, lots of fruit and veggies, milk, sweet taters etc.).
Strange thing, I feel sort of stuffed and bloated, knd of flabby. My weight went back up to what it was before I started the diet, but my BF% has consistantly gone down. This could mean one of two things, either I have lost fat weight or the fat has redistributed away from the one site that I test, (the suprailiac).
A question for everybody who has more experience with this diet than I do: Do you think that a high-intensity cardio session during the first 24hrs of carb-loading would interfere with the diet in any way? I like to do interval sprints on Wed. and Sat., but I could change this if it screws up the load in some way. Thanks!
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Well I’m almost done with my first carb-up, only two more meals to go until I get to switch back to FAT GLORIOUS FAT!!! Seriously, the carbs just don’t fill you up like fat does. This may have been because I ate super clean this first time (e.g. oats, lots of fruit and veggies, milk, sweet taters etc.).
[/quote] try and keep it this way. trust me the results will be much better, and the bloating is only worse the higher fat/less clean you get.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Strange thing, I feel sort of stuffed and bloated, knd of flabby. My weight went back up to what it was before I started the diet, but my BF% has consistantly gone down.[/quote] this is normal, but you may want to think about taking a shot of vinegar(2 tablespoons or more if you can stomach it) and/or ALA every 2 hours on the carb loads. it definately helps.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
This could mean one of two things, either I have lost fat weight or the fat has redistributed away from the one site that I test, (the suprailiac).
A question for everybody who has more experience with this diet than I do: Do you think that a high-intensity cardio session during the first 24hrs of carb-loading would interfere with the diet in any way? I like to do interval sprints on Wed. and Sat., but I could change this if it screws up the load in some way. Thanks!
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well if it is layed out like i think it is, most people carb load saturday morning to sunday night anyways, so yeah, just do your sprints in the first couple hours or before the carb load, if anything it should help to get you fully depleted, although thereisnt much glycogen left anyways by day 5 of low carb+ weight training/cardio.
[quote]rancho wrote:
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250[/quote]
no, do it like so…
250 x 12 = 3000
so eat 3000 cals a day. then fuck with it from there.
Learned an interesting thing this weekend during my first carb-up. Hi glycemic and sugary carbs equal COMA!!! Low gly loading with few treats appears to be the way to go, at least for me. I’m gonna try that way next weekend. Seeing how I like fruits and vegis, that won’t be a problem. I’ll just limit my icecream to 1 scoop, instead of 1 bowl
DH, I’m going on a 2 to 4 week cutting cycle to finish my leanout for the summer. I’m gonna give HOT-ROX a shot. Ill keep you updated. Realitivly speaking, I’m only going to drop 5lbs of fat when i’m done.
Yeah, I’ve found that the best way to enjoy some junk is to make sure it is surrounded by better quality stuff. Some ice cream after pasta, cookies and milk after a baked potato, rice, and veggies at the buffet. By mixing in the good stuff it allows you to enjoy the load while feeling much better.
DH
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Learned an interesting thing this weekend during my first carb-up. Hi glycemic and sugary carbs equal COMA!!! Low gly loading with few treats appears to be the way to go, at least for me. I’m gonna try that way next weekend. Seeing how I like fruits and vegis, that won’t be a problem. I’ll just limit my icecream to 1 scoop, instead of 1 bowl
DH, I’m going on a 2 to 4 week cutting cycle to finish my leanout for the summer. I’m gonna give HOT-ROX a shot. Ill keep you updated. Realitivly speaking, I’m only going to drop 5lbs of fat when i’m done.[/quote]
FYI, along the lines of O70’s suggestions on vinegar, you can also employ the use of lemon water to help reduce/blunt the glycemic response of a meal by about 20%.
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
rancho wrote:
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250
no, do it like so…
250 x 12 = 3000
so eat 3000 cals a day. then fuck with it from there.[/quote]
Owen,
Would I make the adjustsment every five days afther weighing my self? thx
[quote]rancho wrote:
Owen70 wrote:
rancho wrote:
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250
no, do it like so…
250 x 12 = 3000
so eat 3000 cals a day. then fuck with it from there.
Owen,
Would I make the adjustsment every five days afther weighing my self? thx
[/quote]
Rancho, Welcome to the AD. I would make adjustments to your total Kcal intake as your weight drops. First week down to 245, then 245x12 and so on as the weeks progress. Good luck and keep us informed.
[quote]Joebob wrote:
rancho wrote:
Owen70 wrote:
rancho wrote:
I am on the AD and I presently weigh about 250 lbs if my goal is cut and 215 would it make more since or even be beneficial to calculate my cals by the weight I desire 215 instead of 250
no, do it like so…
250 x 12 = 3000
so eat 3000 cals a day. then fuck with it from there.
Owen,
Would I make the adjustsment every five days afther weighing my self? thx
Rancho, Welcome to the AD. I would make adjustments to your total Kcal intake as your weight drops. First week down to 245, then 245x12 and so on as the weeks progress. Good luck and keep us informed.
1st week down and I’m crashing hard today. Probably doesnt help that its cloudy and rainy today. I took a Spike this morning so I can only imagine what I might feel like without it. The countdown has begun to my first carb up.
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Learned an interesting thing this weekend during my first carb-up. Hi glycemic and sugary carbs equal COMA!!! Low gly loading with few treats appears to be the way to go, at least for me. I’m gonna try that way next weekend. Seeing how I like fruits and vegis, that won’t be a problem. I’ll just limit my icecream to 1 scoop, instead of 1 bowl
[/quote]
just telling you from my experience, the best carb loads i have(from a BF% loss standpoint and non-bloating standpoint) always come with 90% low GI shit, like oatmeal and WW bread, but mainly oatmeal for me since i can somehow overeat WW bread hah. and go easy on the fruit, fruits main sugar being fructose which doesnt go straight into glycogen replenishment, but instead has to be converted to glycogen in the liver, and your liver can only process so much. so aim for no more than 50~ grams fructose on each carb up. at least IMO
[quote]milkmeasurer wrote:
1st week down and I’m crashing hard today. Probably doesnt help that its cloudy and rainy today. I took a Spike this morning so I can only imagine what I might feel like without it. The countdown has begun to my first carb up.[/quote]
MM,
I just went through this last week, so I know what you’re going through. One piece of advice I can give you is to take as many naps as you need, let your body rest up. What I did was to make some SF Jell-O, stick it in the fridge, and go to sleep for a few hours. Wake up, get a big bottle of water and a cup or two of cold jell-o. Works wonders man.
My first carb weekend passed with mixed results. I kept the total calories the same, but adjusted my CHO to be 60%, PRO to 30%, and FAT to 10%. I consumed very clean CHO sources, mostly whole wheat noodles, Surge during/after working out, and natty peanut butter. While my muscles filled, I never achieved that pump described on this thread. It was funny, all day Sunday I was straight up loopy. Almost like I was drunk. I ended the weekend two meals early. I was craving fatty foods.
[quote]vasudeva wrote:
My first carb weekend passed with mixed results. I kept the total calories the same, but adjusted my CHO to be 60%, PRO to 30%, and FAT to 10%. I consumed very clean CHO sources, mostly whole wheat noodles, Surge during/after working out, and natty peanut butter. While my muscles filled, I never achieved that pump described on this thread. It was funny, all day Sunday I was straight up loopy. Almost like I was drunk. I ended the weekend two meals early. I was craving fatty foods.
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yeah this always happens on the first couple carb ups. i likewise have never experienced this crazy pump some people refer to, but then again, i NEVER get any pump except maybe on arms. and on the carb load, try oatmeal and protein powder+ splenda. i ate that for like 10 meals, so i had like 800 total CHO grams of oatmeal, and i had my best carb up to date. and don’t worry about feeling really drowsy, that happened to me every single carbup i have ever done except for this most recent.
Often takes a few times to dial it all in and get the body used to the cycle. It “gets the message” and becomes more efficient at soakin’ up the CHO. Calories are important if you are trying to gain mass. Even if not, you can ride the weekdays low cal and hit the load for high cals. But as we have seen emphasized many times, if your goal is fat loss then quality carbs must constitute the majority of your intake. All in all, be patient, many have a better load once they figure out how much to eat of what. Really your body must just “learn” the cycle.
Best,
DH
[quote]vasudeva wrote:
My first carb weekend passed with mixed results. I kept the total calories the same, but adjusted my CHO to be 60%, PRO to 30%, and FAT to 10%. I consumed very clean CHO sources, mostly whole wheat noodles, Surge during/after working out, and natty peanut butter. While my muscles filled, I never achieved that pump described on this thread. It was funny, all day Sunday I was straight up loopy. Almost like I was drunk. I ended the weekend two meals early. I was craving fatty foods.
