My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Hey guys. Got another q for you. Is it business at usual when it comes to drinking? I mean, NO GOOD. I usually go out drinking once a month, if that, and before I do, I have a big casien drink, a multi, trib tabs. And make sure I get a protein drink from a service station every 3 hours(hehe).Also keep the water intake high. Whilst on this diet, whats the deal with booze on the weekends during the carb up. Is it just as bad to get boozed on this diet?? (Hope this aint too stupid a q)

Thanks [/quote]

well most everyone else has said sure it still istn good but if you have to booze up on the weekends…however boozin up has all sorta detrimental affects on the body so if you have to drink socialy…but if you really gottta win that pong game or drink with that girl to get her sully then go for it ;D

I found notes from a whole seminar Poliquin gave on fat loss I can post it here if people would find it helpful,but yes it goes over everything.

[quote]OMC wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
Is there a book that poliquin has written about the diet strategies he has used for his athletes? Or maybe just some articles written by him on it? The round table discussions I posted on the pg befor leave alot to wonder about…

not really specifically for diets as far as I know but a good place to start is on Poliquins own website…although many of the articles are for members only you can find good information without having to subscribe…and on a side note poliquin always leaves a lot to wonder about. [/quote]

[quote]greekdawg wrote:
I found notes from a whole seminar Poliquin gave on fat loss I can post it here if people would find it helpful,but yes it goes over everything.

OMC wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
Is there a book that poliquin has written about the diet strategies he has used for his athletes? Or maybe just some articles written by him on it? The round table discussions I posted on the pg befor leave alot to wonder about…

not really specifically for diets as far as I know but a good place to start is on Poliquins own website…although many of the articles are for members only you can find good information without having to subscribe…and on a side note poliquin always leaves a lot to wonder about.

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i think everyone shold put, no matter how obvious or small, all the info they have that may act as a benefactor us Ad’ers…so yea post it im into learning somethin new

[quote]greekdawg wrote:
I found notes from a whole seminar Poliquin gave on fat loss I can post it here if people would find it helpful,but yes it goes over everything.

OMC wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
Is there a book that poliquin has written about the diet strategies he has used for his athletes? Or maybe just some articles written by him on it? The round table discussions I posted on the pg befor leave alot to wonder about…

not really specifically for diets as far as I know but a good place to start is on Poliquins own website…although many of the articles are for members only you can find good information without having to subscribe…and on a side note poliquin always leaves a lot to wonder about.

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yes pls sir would be of great help if u could post them here …every 1 i think would really enjoy and learn from those notes

So do I have a few drinks on my first carb up weekend, or will it mess with things too much? I have been making great progress and dont wana go backwards, if u know wat i mean

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
So do I have a few drinks on my first carb up weekend, or will it mess with things too much? I have been making great progress and dont wana go backwards, if u know wat i mean[/quote]

time for tough love:

If you really care (as you state you do) about it, don’t do it.

The book says it’s ok to have pizza/beer during carb ups…but as someone said before it (drinking) will affect other things (t-levels, etc).

If it’s a “Care but want to enjoy life” thing (nothing wrong with that…do it and enjoy it fully.

my .02

AD

[quote]ovalpline wrote:

Finally, remember that your primary focus should be on your food choices, especially if you are trying to lean out. Protein sources: very lean red meat, egg whites, tuna and other very lean fish, very lean turkey and chicken, and even protein powders. Tried and true carb sources: sweet potatoes/yams, brown/whole grain rice, oats, quinoa, buckwheat pancakes, and fruits. [/quote]

While I’m not going to argue this, let me remind everyone that WHOLE eggs are great on the AD as well as 80-90%lean meats…the fat contents of these will be most beneficial to us on this eathing plan.

AD

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
ovalpline wrote:

Finally, remember that your primary focus should be on your food choices, especially if you are trying to lean out. Protein sources: very lean red meat, egg whites, tuna and other very lean fish, very lean turkey and chicken, and even protein powders. Tried and true carb sources: sweet potatoes/yams, brown/whole grain rice, oats, quinoa, buckwheat pancakes, and fruits.

While I’m not going to argue this, let me remind everyone that WHOLE eggs are great on the AD as well as 80-90%lean meats…the fat contents of these will be most beneficial to us on this eathing plan.

AD[/quote]

Woops, I should have been clearer about this. These are only my recommendation of food choices during the carb-loads should one choose to try my carb-load protocol. During the low-carb phase, I definitely recommend all sorts of fatty meats, cheeses, and eggs.

[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
i know your against whole wheat for carbups (so now i kicked em out ex: my wholewheat pasta)but how bout this wholewheat tortilla i eat everyday on weekdays 31 carbs 21fiber= 10 counted carbs is that all good ya think?[/quote]

First and foremost, that fiber content is awesome. The thing is, it depends upon the flour the tortilla from which the tortilla is made. If it is a whole-wheat flour (or wheat flour of any sort, not to mention rye or barley), it’s going to have a very high acid content and gluten, enduring properties regardless of carb content.

If you are able to find low-carb tortillas minus the above flours, for example: bean or spinach, those would definitely be preferable.

ovalpline, thanks for answering my question. I’ve had 3 carb ups so far and I’ve kept them all pretty low fat except last week’s (I was out of town, it can be tough) for the same reasons you mentioned. I’ll try the no wheat thing. I’ve been eating alot of cream of wheat/rice and oatmeal which I believe are all gluten free. I’ll try mixing in a few sweet potatoes too. Would you say a cheat meal or whatever would be ok once or twice during the carb ups as well, even if you’re trying to cut? thanks…

[quote]greekdawg wrote:
I found notes from a whole seminar Poliquin gave on fat loss I can post it here if people would find it helpful,but yes it goes over everything.

OMC wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
Is there a book that poliquin has written about the diet strategies he has used for his athletes? Or maybe just some articles written by him on it? The round table discussions I posted on the pg befor leave alot to wonder about…

not really specifically for diets as far as I know but a good place to start is on Poliquins own website…although many of the articles are for members only you can find good information without having to subscribe…and on a side note poliquin always leaves a lot to wonder about.

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Oh really? Do you have the link to it? Please post it, I’m very interested in poliquins stuff.

[quote]imcleish wrote:
ovalpline, thanks for answering my question. I’ve had 3 carb ups so far and I’ve kept them all pretty low fat except last week’s (I was out of town, it can be tough) for the same reasons you mentioned. I’ll try the no wheat thing. I’ve been eating alot of cream of wheat/rice and oatmeal which I believe are all gluten free. I’ll try mixing in a few sweet potatoes too. Would you say a cheat meal or whatever would be ok once or twice during the carb ups as well, even if you’re trying to cut? thanks…[/quote]

Personally, I’m not big on cheat meals. For me, they’re kind of like cigarettes, with each one you have, the next one is exponentially harder to deny. However, if you can maintain some semblance of sanity in the cheat meal, it’s probably OK. Still, if I were you, I’d take the cheat meal as early in the carb-load as possible, when the body is increasingly likely to store the extra carbs as glycogen and burn the remaining calories as energy.

A rule that I usually keep for carbups is that I have my cheat meal right after working out. No matter what time of day, right after working out Ill have a cheat meal or two, usually two lol… then its back to healthy, starchy carbs.

For instance heres my upcoming meal plan for saturday:

Breakfast = Oatmeal with splenda and piece of fruit

Meal 2 = Oatmeal again

Meal 3 = a couple sweet potatoes, maybe some yams

meal 4 = during workout, I have a sugary drink

meal 5 = whatever I want, not over 100g carbs, and fat must be no more than 15-20 grams, about 30g protein if I want. So here I would usually have the thing I’ve been craving, like a donut or whatever.

Meal 6 = back to healthy, starchy carbs

And thats it. I try to keep it simple. I notice that If I have my bad stuff during and post workout then I don’t have to worry about it going to fat.

I have a question for you guys:

Has anyone experimented with a 6 day low-carb/ 1 day hig-carb cycle?

My body seems to do well with High Fat/Protein part of the diet.

I workout Friday nights so I would like to keep eating high protein on Saturday to speed recovery.

That would leave Sunday open for a Potato & Banana orgy.

I haven’t found this question asked so it’s probably common sense to everyone but me.

I’m getting ready to start the AD but I’m a fairly lazy cook. For breakfast on low carb days, I’d like to have bacon and eggs. Most of the recommendations that I’ve seen are to cook in butter or EV Olive Oil but I’m wondering if it’s acceptable to fry eggs in the fat that cooks off of the bacon?

[quote]CCFan wrote:
I haven’t found this question asked so it’s probably common sense to everyone but me.

I’m getting ready to start the AD but I’m a fairly lazy cook. For breakfast on low carb days, I’d like to have bacon and eggs. Most of the recommendations that I’ve seen are to cook in butter or EV Olive Oil but I’m wondering if it’s acceptable to fry eggs in the fat that cooks off of the bacon? [/quote]

i think u can nothing wrong in tht …if u like it

[quote]CCFan wrote:
I’m wondering if it’s acceptable to fry eggs in the fat that cooks off of the bacon? [/quote]

Many people do that. It’s one of the joys of low-carb eating.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CCFan wrote:
I’m wondering if it’s acceptable to fry eggs in the fat that cooks off of the bacon?

Many people do that. It’s one of the joys of low-carb eating.[/quote]

Agreed.

Both Raviraj and Cal are right…and the extra flavor isn’t bad either. :wink:

(Ok here is the post I found, I copied and posted it for you all to see. Keep in mind it 2 years old but it is still very detailed and I’m sure much of what he has to say today is similar.)

What I learned at the Charles Poliquin Seminar
by Nathan Donahue
November 14 2005

What I learned at the Charles Poliquin Fat Loss Seminar

http://charlespoliquin.com

These are the notes that I took from the Charles Poliquin Seminar that I attended on November 13, 2005. He certainly has some different takes on fitness people are used to.

Snippets

If over 10% body fat for a man, or over 15-20% for a woman, you are fat.

The stronger your immune system, the easier it is to gain muscle and lose fat.

The more insulin you produce, the faster you age.

The best predictor of lifespan is muscle mass and strength

Supplements

Omega 3 Fatty Acids from pharmaceutical grade fish oils are the most valuable supplement you can take. The subject should take 15g/day for two weeks if deficient, then reduce the dosage to 5g/day indefinitely after that. Fish oils will help burn fat and prevent fat gain. They improve serotonin levels (mood), make it easier to move nutrients in and out of cell walls, reduce joint inflammation, decrease the amount of sugar your body will absorb, improves blood pressure and decrease insulin output when taken with a meal.

You should take it throughout the day and rotate your source of EFA?s every 10 days. Krill Oil is the best source as it also eliminates PMS and you don?t need high doses of this type of oil.

Fat people should not consume carbs post-workout. The best Post workout drink for a 200lb overweight man is: Whey Isolate 60g + Glutamine 20-80g + Glycine 20g. This will replenish glycogen while preventing fat gain.

Licorice Root Cream can be rubbed on the abdominal as it will aid in burning fat from the stomach. The trade name is called Glycgel.

Adaptogens such as Red Korean Ginseng can help you recuperate from stress and tough workouts. Rhodiola Rosea is a very powerful adaptogen; take it when you need energy. It is a Cortisol Modulator, meaning that if your cortisol is too low it will help you raise it and if too high, it will help you lower it. Take only 1 tab per day, as it is very potent. Stevia is a natural sweetener and a great adrenal recovery aid. Cold Fx is also a surprisingly good product. It is good for adrenaline glands, fat loss, decreasing insulin output, and regenerates the pancreas.

To help men raise testosterone Charles recommends the following. Zinc is low in all active men and plays an important role in test production. Zinc arginic is best, no more than 30mg/day. Holy Basil also helps raise testosterone.

As for estrogen, DIM is a strong anti-estrogen that specifically targets the bad estrogens caused by phyto-estrogens in our environment.

R-ALA is anabolic and promotes fat burning, only the R for is good, the S form of ALA is counter productive. It is an anti-oxidant that also promotes glucose transport into muscle cells. As well it Increases the metabolic rate and decreases insulin output.

Acetyl-L-Carnitine is a healthy stimulant; it also improves memory and is anti-aging for the brain. It too increases insulin sensitivity.

Charles recommends that one uses a good multi-vitamin when attempting to lose fat as fat loss releases toxins that are stored in your fat and your body will need all the vitamins and minerals it can get to fight these toxins.

Estrogen ?16? is a bad form of estrogen in our bodies that we want to eliminate, supplements that combat estrogen ?16? are Broccoli extract, DIM and Green Tea

Taurine is an amino acid that increases insulin sensitivity, increases cell communication, and increase carb metabolism.

Magnesium Chelates are the key to preventing diabetes; everyone who is active is deficient in it, and it is this deficiency that creates diabetes. Magnesium also increases insulin sensitivity. One should Rotate the types of Mag, just make sure they all end in ?ate?. Take it after 4:00pm, as it will improve your sleep.

All stimulants raise cortisol, which is bad so use them sensibly. As for the fat burning supplement ephedrine, you do not need much ephedrine (8mg) to stimulate fat burning.

If asparagus makes your urine smell you are deficient in Vitamin B9 and B12. Taking these B vitamins will help prevent Alzheimer?s

Training

High intensity interval training burns more calories overall than long slow cardio. The bulk of these calories are burned post exercise. Intervals should consist of 40 sec ? 2 min on, and 1 minute off. These sessions should last a max of 42 minutes total including warm-up. The bad news is that the workouts must be very intense, as the subject must get to nausea in order to produce enough lactic acid. Luckily 2 sessions per week is all that is needed to lose fat at a noticeable rate. The catch is that velocity without resistance is useless, so going really fast is not the answer. Working really hard against resistance is the solution.

Continuous aerobic work (long jogs) raises cortisol, which in turn makes you fatter in the long run. So don?t bother doing it unless it is sport specific training.

For strength training, vary the program every 25 days; everything works, but only for a short time. Vary the exercises often so you overload the muscles at different points. You must surprise the muscles with something new in order to force it to adapt. Other possible changes include rest time, muscle grouping, tempo, etc.

Diet

Approximately 75% of people are carb intolerant and should not be eating grains; the grains are getting people fat. The first step is to get the Omega 3?s in balance by taking hi-quality fish oils. You must eat protein with every meal even breakfast. A meat and nut breakfast will make you leaner even if you do not change the rest of your diet. It is best if you rotate the meat each breakfast. Eat 6-7 meals per day with protein plus smart fats in every meal.

A long-term low carbohydrate diet is the solution for fat people even after they have lost the fat. To begin the diet, eat only meat, fish, eggs, cheese and vegetables (50g of carbs per day or less). Follow this diet for 14 days then have a cheat day, eat whatever you want for the entire day. Return to the ultra low carb diet and have a cheat meal (one sitting) every 4th or 5th day.

Once you are starting to lean out you can add berries to the diet. They are strong antioxidants and low glycemic.

As you get leaner still you can introduce the Orange family of fruits.

As you get leaner again you can add Plums, nectarines, peaches and apples.

Then grapes and bananas

Then the root vegetables such as yams, and sweet potatoes

Then rice, the darker the better

The last food to add is grains, and it should never be added for those that are carb intolerant. (If eating carbs made you fat)

A no or low gluten diet is a good thing, it interferes with reaction time.

Stick with this diet 80% of the time and you will do fine and not stressed out by it. Eat more vegetables.

Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.

Fructose syrup is the most fattening food we know of and it ages you; avoid it at all costs.

Have your cheat meal late in the day instead of early when you are likely to keep eating bad the rest of the day. The best cheat meals have some nutritional value

Fatty foods have a reputation for causing bad health but it is Carbs that raise cholesterol and bad blood lipids

(Here is the original website link if you want to see for yourself: http://www.fitnesswarehouse.ca/en/Articles_35/New_3493/51.html )

Great find man. That post makes me want to go to a Poliquin seminar.