ya ive seen that, i was gonna cite it when someone said Poliqiun says aviod fruits calls hes the paleo carbs guy and fruit are the first carbs he reintroduces. But I’d also be interested in reading where he said about the browning apple.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.
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OK that’s bad. Is almond butter ok? (I goddamn hope so, if not I’m doomed…)
Found some 77% chocolate that has only 6 non-fibrous carbs per serving. Not ideal, that’s for sure, but I was craving carbs (not psychologically; my body, nto my sweet tooth, literally wants them). I ate a serving and got over it.
Do the calories stay the same on the carb up weekend? Got my first carb up tommorow! Still in 2 minds about drinking tommorow nite too…Havnt gotten drunk in at least 3 months now. I know wat will happen, I will train Back and Bi’s(fav session) and afterward be like stuff drinking, Id rather Grow!..Well I hope it goes that way:)
[quote]gogotheviking wrote:
OK that’s bad. Is almond butter ok? (I goddamn hope so, if not I’m doomed…)[/quote]
Yes. Peanuts are generally “bad.”
Almond butter is simply almounds ground down. (make sure there’s no other shit in the stuff you buy.) There’s nothing else in it if you buy it from the right place. So you’re fine.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
gogotheviking wrote:
OK that’s bad. Is almond butter ok? (I goddamn hope so, if not I’m doomed…)
Yes. Peanuts are generally “bad.”
Almond butter is simply almounds ground down. (make sure there’s no other shit in the stuff you buy.) There’s nothing else in it if you buy it from the right place. So you’re fine.[/quote]
great now im in a state of, fuck, i prepare a hanful of nuts for snack at school everyday
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
(Ok here is the post I found, I copied and posted it for you all to see. Keep in mind it 2 years old but it is still very detailed and I’m sure much of what he has to say today is similar.)
What I learned at the Charles Poliquin Seminar
by Nathan Donahue
November 14 2005
What I learned at the Charles Poliquin Fat Loss Seminar
These are the notes that I took from the Charles Poliquin Seminar that I attended on November 13, 2005. He certainly has some different takes on fitness people are used to.
Snippets
If over 10% body fat for a man, or over 15-20% for a woman, you are fat.
The stronger your immune system, the easier it is to gain muscle and lose fat.
The more insulin you produce, the faster you age.
The best predictor of lifespan is muscle mass and strength
Supplements
Omega 3 Fatty Acids from pharmaceutical grade fish oils are the most valuable supplement you can take. The subject should take 15g/day for two weeks if deficient, then reduce the dosage to 5g/day indefinitely after that. Fish oils will help burn fat and prevent fat gain. They improve serotonin levels (mood), make it easier to move nutrients in and out of cell walls, reduce joint inflammation, decrease the amount of sugar your body will absorb, improves blood pressure and decrease insulin output when taken with a meal.
You should take it throughout the day and rotate your source of EFA?s every 10 days. Krill Oil is the best source as it also eliminates PMS and you don?t need high doses of this type of oil.
Fat people should not consume carbs post-workout. The best Post workout drink for a 200lb overweight man is: Whey Isolate 60g + Glutamine 20-80g + Glycine 20g. This will replenish glycogen while preventing fat gain.
Licorice Root Cream can be rubbed on the abdominal as it will aid in burning fat from the stomach. The trade name is called Glycgel.
Adaptogens such as Red Korean Ginseng can help you recuperate from stress and tough workouts. Rhodiola Rosea is a very powerful adaptogen; take it when you need energy. It is a Cortisol Modulator, meaning that if your cortisol is too low it will help you raise it and if too high, it will help you lower it. Take only 1 tab per day, as it is very potent. Stevia is a natural sweetener and a great adrenal recovery aid. Cold Fx is also a surprisingly good product. It is good for adrenaline glands, fat loss, decreasing insulin output, and regenerates the pancreas.
To help men raise testosterone Charles recommends the following. Zinc is low in all active men and plays an important role in test production. Zinc arginic is best, no more than 30mg/day. Holy Basil also helps raise testosterone.
As for estrogen, DIM is a strong anti-estrogen that specifically targets the bad estrogens caused by phyto-estrogens in our environment.
R-ALA is anabolic and promotes fat burning, only the R for is good, the S form of ALA is counter productive. It is an anti-oxidant that also promotes glucose transport into muscle cells. As well it Increases the metabolic rate and decreases insulin output.
Acetyl-L-Carnitine is a healthy stimulant; it also improves memory and is anti-aging for the brain. It too increases insulin sensitivity.
Charles recommends that one uses a good multi-vitamin when attempting to lose fat as fat loss releases toxins that are stored in your fat and your body will need all the vitamins and minerals it can get to fight these toxins.
Estrogen ?16? is a bad form of estrogen in our bodies that we want to eliminate, supplements that combat estrogen ?16? are Broccoli extract, DIM and Green Tea
Taurine is an amino acid that increases insulin sensitivity, increases cell communication, and increase carb metabolism.
Magnesium Chelates are the key to preventing diabetes; everyone who is active is deficient in it, and it is this deficiency that creates diabetes. Magnesium also increases insulin sensitivity. One should Rotate the types of Mag, just make sure they all end in ?ate?. Take it after 4:00pm, as it will improve your sleep.
All stimulants raise cortisol, which is bad so use them sensibly. As for the fat burning supplement ephedrine, you do not need much ephedrine (8mg) to stimulate fat burning.
If asparagus makes your urine smell you are deficient in Vitamin B9 and B12. Taking these B vitamins will help prevent Alzheimer?s
Training
High intensity interval training burns more calories overall than long slow cardio. The bulk of these calories are burned post exercise. Intervals should consist of 40 sec ? 2 min on, and 1 minute off. These sessions should last a max of 42 minutes total including warm-up. The bad news is that the workouts must be very intense, as the subject must get to nausea in order to produce enough lactic acid. Luckily 2 sessions per week is all that is needed to lose fat at a noticeable rate. The catch is that velocity without resistance is useless, so going really fast is not the answer. Working really hard against resistance is the solution.
Continuous aerobic work (long jogs) raises cortisol, which in turn makes you fatter in the long run. So don?t bother doing it unless it is sport specific training.
For strength training, vary the program every 25 days; everything works, but only for a short time. Vary the exercises often so you overload the muscles at different points. You must surprise the muscles with something new in order to force it to adapt. Other possible changes include rest time, muscle grouping, tempo, etc.
Diet
Approximately 75% of people are carb intolerant and should not be eating grains; the grains are getting people fat. The first step is to get the Omega 3?s in balance by taking hi-quality fish oils. You must eat protein with every meal even breakfast. A meat and nut breakfast will make you leaner even if you do not change the rest of your diet. It is best if you rotate the meat each breakfast. Eat 6-7 meals per day with protein plus smart fats in every meal.
A long-term low carbohydrate diet is the solution for fat people even after they have lost the fat. To begin the diet, eat only meat, fish, eggs, cheese and vegetables (50g of carbs per day or less). Follow this diet for 14 days then have a cheat day, eat whatever you want for the entire day. Return to the ultra low carb diet and have a cheat meal (one sitting) every 4th or 5th day.
Once you are starting to lean out you can add berries to the diet. They are strong antioxidants and low glycemic.
As you get leaner still you can introduce the Orange family of fruits.
As you get leaner again you can add Plums, nectarines, peaches and apples.
Then grapes and bananas
Then the root vegetables such as yams, and sweet potatoes
Then rice, the darker the better
The last food to add is grains, and it should never be added for those that are carb intolerant. (If eating carbs made you fat)
A no or low gluten diet is a good thing, it interferes with reaction time.
Stick with this diet 80% of the time and you will do fine and not stressed out by it. Eat more vegetables.
Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.
Fructose syrup is the most fattening food we know of and it ages you; avoid it at all costs.
Have your cheat meal late in the day instead of early when you are likely to keep eating bad the rest of the day. The best cheat meals have some nutritional value
Fatty foods have a reputation for causing bad health but it is Carbs that raise cholesterol and bad blood lipids
(Here is the original website link if you want to see for yourself: http://www.fitnesswarehouse.ca/en/Articles_35/New_3493/51.html )
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great articles are a double edged sword for me. I absorb the information, however, now i want to invest in these supplements cuz ive never been able to drop to a nice BF%. at my own fault most of my training career was done undernourishing myself everyday for a long time
early morning training.
Should i eat breakfast (omlette and bacon), before i weight train in the mornings…it will be around 45minutes before… the book says its ok to train early on no food…but im not sure…
Thoughts?
[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
ya ive seen that, i was gonna cite it when someone said Poliqiun says aviod fruits calls hes the paleo carbs guy and fruit are the first carbs he reintroduces. But I’d also be interested in reading where he said about the browning apple.[/quote]
As already stated, Poliquin is a mystic. On the one hand he supports the consumption of fruit, on the other hand, he offers this: http://www.anabolicresource.nl/m_95567/tm.htm
Look at #7.
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
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dude thats the most vile thing ive ever read
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
[/quote]
Experience any fish burps?
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
As already stated, Poliquin is a mystic. On the one hand he supports the consumption of fruit, on the other hand, he offers this: http://www.anabolicresource.nl/m_95567/tm.htm
Look at #7.[/quote]
There is no contraction. When did Poliqin say you should eat A LOT of fruit? He has always said, “Limit fructose intake.” That means fruit is okay. It just doesn’t me A LOT of fruit is okay.
Not everything is yes-or-no. Some things are good is moderation only.
hey guys , im new to this website and so far its one of the best i have seen…
i currently just started the anabolic diet and i went shopping 2 day and i need ur guys expertise on the products I purchased. I obviously did the main courses . The steaks , chicken , fish , bacon , cheese , and olive oil. Now my questions are on the things I got to spice up the diet a lil bit.
Walden Farms - Hony Dijon
Walden Farms - CHocolate syrup
Hood Milk
Cream CHese
Bacon Rach dressing
Half and Half
Smart Balance butter spread
Splenda
Carb free Syrup and Coco syrup
Carb Masters Yugert ? Kroger brand
my real question here is the some of the ingredients to these things include ingredients im afraid might effect the insulin effect and take me out of ketosis…
such as
Sorbitol
Xanthan Gum
Sucrakise
Prrpylen Glycol
Sucralose
Cellulose Gum
Citric Acid
I mean a lot of these are in splenda , the Walden Farms products which are so popular , and so forth…
my question is most these bottles say sugar free and are supported by the Diabetes foundations . However would these serve our purpose for the Keto- or Anabolic diet…???
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
As already stated, Poliquin is a mystic. On the one hand he supports the consumption of fruit, on the other hand, he offers this: http://www.anabolicresource.nl/m_95567/tm.htm
Look at #7.
There is no contraction. When did Poliqin say you should eat A LOT of fruit? He has always said, “Limit fructose intake.” That means fruit is okay. It just doesn’t me A LOT of fruit is okay.
Not everything is yes-or-no. Some things are good is moderation only.[/quote]
And do you know what a lot of fruit is? Is it two pieces or is it 4? 6? What about an apple compared to a banana? What about in terms of my bodyweight and metabolism? Rhetorical questions… I agree with you, and therefore we both agree with Poliquin, clearly not everything is yes or no.
I’m not saying that he contradicts himself, I’m simply reiterating that Poliquin likes to leave things open… something to which I am not opposed… but also something that defines him in the fitness industry. Again, I’m not passing judgment on it. Like my mock questions from above and like you said, it’s silly to make some things in life, especially the arenas of nutrition, training, and fitness- definitive.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
YoungGunner wrote:
ya ive seen that, i was gonna cite it when someone said Poliqiun says aviod fruits calls hes the paleo carbs guy and fruit are the first carbs he reintroduces. But I’d also be interested in reading where he said about the browning apple.
As already stated, Poliquin is a mystic. On the one hand he supports the consumption of fruit, on the other hand, he offers this: http://www.anabolicresource.nl/m_95567/tm.htm
Look at #7.
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I wouldn’t think he’s a mystic. Also that thread you posted is from 2006, the one I posted is from 2005. It’s very well he might have changed or updated his thinking. Either way, its not like he said start pounding down the fruit, and it would be only after you are very lean.
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
dude thats the most vile thing ive ever read[/quote]
Strongly seconded
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
YoungGunner wrote:
ya ive seen that, i was gonna cite it when someone said Poliqiun says aviod fruits calls hes the paleo carbs guy and fruit are the first carbs he reintroduces. But I’d also be interested in reading where he said about the browning apple.
As already stated, Poliquin is a mystic. On the one hand he supports the consumption of fruit, on the other hand, he offers this: http://www.anabolicresource.nl/m_95567/tm.htm
Look at #7.
I wouldn’t think he’s a mystic. Also that thread you posted is from 2006, the one I posted is from 2005. It’s very well he might have changed or updated his thinking. Either way, its not like he said start pounding down the fruit, and it would be only after you are very lean.
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Cool.
Four thoughts: (1) re-read the post directly above yours for what I’m really saying (2) take in to consideration that my post is not an isolated “Poliquin likes to leave things open” sort of post. This is in the context of about a page of other forum contributors saying more or less the same thing (3) “mystic” doesn’t necessarily imply contradictory, it simply implies open-ended (both purposeful and incidental) and different (again, both purposeful and incidental) … so, yes, “mystic” is befitting of Poliquin (4) I am not shooting Poliquin down… I’m merely highlighting his “mysticism”.
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
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Honestly, it sounds a lot worse than I imagine it is. Don’t confuse Jack Mackerel with tuna. Jack Mackerel is muuuuuch tastier. Actually, this still sounds pretty disgusting.
Question for you Dirty Tiger: do the Jack Mackerel filets include the spinal column? The ones I buy in Chile do… and, at first, I was a little dissettled by it, but the spinal column provides not only a pleasant texture and taste, but also an excellent, readily absorbable source of calcium.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
I just enjoyed a Mackerel Shake:
Step 1. Open 15oz can of Jack Mackerel.
Step 2. Dump fish into blender.
Step 3. Add 4-8oz water.
Step 4. Chug It!
Step 5. Try not to puke.
It gives you 24g of Fish fat and 78g of fishy protein.
Honestly, it sounds a lot worse than I imagine it is. Don’t confuse Jack Mackerel with tuna. Jack Mackerel is muuuuuch tastier. Actually, this still sounds pretty disgusting.
Question for you Dirty Tiger: do the Jack Mackerel filets include the spinal column? The ones I buy in Chile do… and, at first, I was a little dissettled by it, but the spinal column provides not only a pleasant texture and taste, but also an excellent, readily absorbable source of calcium.[/quote]
dude i love fish spines. Salmon is the best. I think eating fish bones is the best part of buying the whole fish and steaming the dick out of it. I thailand I had some cat spine which was good too but it was deepfried. Also if you like fish spine try eating the roasted bugs in thailand should you go. Very similar texture but with spicy thai sauce.
Tiger why didnt you just BBQ the mackrel? why a shake? I fukin hate shakes. Chewing is much funner.
-chris