My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
I decided to run a little experiment on myself today to see what foods make me full and which ones don’t while adhering to the under 30 carb rule.

Usually I eat kinda like the Zone recommends, lean meats with the oils (flax or olive) included (except I have alot more oils and usually just eat spinach with each meal). This fills me up nicely and is not too costly as I usually eat chicken, tuna, or salmon; and eggs thrown in once or twice a day. (I AM NOT EATING according to the zone breakdown however, just the food types; as I am sticking to DiPasquale’s breakdown.)

Today I ate trace amounts of veggies, and stuck to mostly cheese, hamburger, and heavy whipping cream. In total I took in close to 7000 kcal, and I’m not in the least bit full right now.

I’m sitting here having a cup of coffee with even more heavy whipping cream in it. I notice that its really hard to get full off cheese or anything dairy. I can eat it for hours and not get full, while taking in a ton of kcal. So while I’m cutting I’ll make sure to not have much cheese or dairy.

Processed hamburger is also something I have trouble getting full off of. I ate 3 hamburgers for breakfast and wasn’t full at all, while normally I have 6 eggs and am perfectly fine, which is much less in kcal.

In conclusion, just like on other diets, the easiest foods to take in are the calorie dense ones. Dairy is extremely easy to take in, and so is processed hamburger. Atleast thats the way it is for me anyway. Not exactly sure why things like that are, seems like the calorie dense food would make me more full, but thats obviously not the case. Maybe because those foods don’t contain as much water as some other foods.

Anyway, has anyone else found out anything about the certain types of foods they eat while on this lifestyle?

yea i noticed the same if i ever brought a burger patty or some cheese for a snack id be even hungrier 10 minutes later…eggs and other meats all the way[/quote]

Same here…

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:

Maybe I’m reading this wrong (please correct me if this is wrong)… but is it saying that Dipasquale stated that FFA’s can be used for anaerobic exercise rather than CHO? That seems to me to make since. It seems that our ancestors were mostly anaerobic, and they didn’t have much CHO.

So in the state of things… FFA’s or some other source of energy would have to of been used for sprinting to catch wild animals and the like. Again, please correct me if I’m wrong. [/quote]

Again, there is plenty of literature explaining away how we can turn FFA to sugar for intense exercise and blah, blah, blah… I think sasha wrote some tidbit on how we need sugar to full intensity, whether from transformed from fats or proteins, or obtained through carbs.

But here is how it works for me: Biz, you know how truly low carb I am - most of my workouts are in the form of high intensity for 15-30 min, depending on the day. I also lift once or twice a week, cleans, snatches, presses, squats etc… - heavy. And I run - a lot.

In my experience, lots of fat and next to no carbs fuels my workouts more than sufficiently - even better than when I do eat carbs.

So here’s what I’m thinking of doing: The end of FEB has a qualifier going on for the Death March. It’s 13.1 miles of marching with a pack. Two weeks later is the Seoul marathon. What do you guys think if I ate next to no carbs from now til then and participate in both events to see how things go? The intensity of both is quite low, but the time til completion is great. Unless some unforseen bullshit comes up, I’d be willing to experiment, just so we have a first hand.

-SK

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[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:

<<< So here’s what I’m thinking of doing: The end of FEB has a qualifier going on for the Death March. It’s 13.1 miles of marching with a pack. Two weeks later is the Seoul marathon. What do you guys think if I ate next to no carbs from now til then and participate in both events to see how things go? The intensity of both is quite low, but the time til completion is great. Unless some unforseen bullshit comes up, I’d be willing to experiment, just so we have a first hand.

-SK[/quote]

That would be interesting to see, but nobody’s saying plenty of energy can’t be fueled without cho. Only that in the absence of glycogen aminos will be used more than most would want.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

I’d hereby like to proclaim that I officially splurged and did nothing correct this weekend, diet/eating wise.

While I think I got enough cals, my food choices were…poor (to say the least).

Among them, I had:

-1 KFC meal
-1 9" Pizza Hut deep dish pizza (cheese lovers)-EACH DAY!!!
-too few meals with too many cals/meal.

It will be interesting to see what it does to me in the gym tomorrow…

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:

<<< So here’s what I’m thinking of doing: The end of FEB has a qualifier going on for the Death March. It’s 13.1 miles of marching with a pack. Two weeks later is the Seoul marathon. What do you guys think if I ate next to no carbs from now til then and participate in both events to see how things go? The intensity of both is quite low, but the time til completion is great. Unless some unforseen bullshit comes up, I’d be willing to experiment, just so we have a first hand.

-SK

That would be interesting to see, but nobody’s saying plenty of energy can’t be fueled without cho. Only that in the absence of glycogen aminos will be used more than most would want.[/quote]

If you are really going to do this (as Tirib said, although no one is energy can’t be fueled w/out cho)…but, if you choose to do this:

Don’t we need a reference point though? So how about what you propose for the first thing, and then do a carb load (typical AD proticol) until the 2nd thing? This way we have a comparison.

AD

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen,

I’d hereby like to proclaim that I officially splurged and did nothing correct this weekend, diet/eating wise.

While I think I got enough cals, my food choices were…poor (to say the least).

Among them, I had:

-1 KFC meal
-1 9" Pizza Hut deep dish pizza (cheese lovers)-EACH DAY!!!
-too few meals with too many cals/meal.

It will be interesting to see what it does to me in the gym tomorrow…

[/quote]

I’m betting a rarity like this shouldn’t be too bad. How was it splurging like that? Pretty good huh?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen,

I’d hereby like to proclaim that I officially splurged and did nothing correct this weekend, diet/eating wise.

While I think I got enough cals, my food choices were…poor (to say the least).

Among them, I had:

-1 KFC meal
-1 9" Pizza Hut deep dish pizza (cheese lovers)-EACH DAY!!!
-too few meals with too many cals/meal.

It will be interesting to see what it does to me in the gym tomorrow…

I’m betting a rarity like this shouldn’t be too bad. How was it splurging like that? Pretty good huh?[/quote]

As much as I hate to say it dude…yeah, it was pretty good. :wink:

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Biz, thats pretty interesting, I’m a pretty big eater so I usuaslly never get super full, but nice thing with AD and never super hungry either.

Anyway for me Eggs and Cheese fill me like nothing else. nuts and steak too.

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[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
Biz, thats pretty interesting, I’m a pretty big eater so I usuaslly never get super full, but nice thing with AD and never super hungry either.

Anyway for me Eggs and Cheese fill me like nothing else. nuts and steak too.[/quote]

Yeah eggs and cheese combined fill me really well too. I think its just the cheese that I can eat forever. And then the processed hamburger I can eat forever too.

Yesterday midway I had some ham and was fine for the next 3 hours. Then I just ate cheese for my next meal and was ravenous the rest of the day.

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I think I’m doing it right this time, about halfway through the break-in-phase, ate ate ate, more fat than protein this time, really chowing down the fat…
and though I’ve been low-carbing for a long time I’m experiencing some sort of a crash the last few days. Yesterday I was too tired to go out into town so I went to bed, and me-skipping-a-saturday, that happens only once each two years or so.

I just hope I get it right this time. Avoiding (or at least eating less) chicken, going for more beef, lots of olive oil, (feta) cheese, nuts, and this time, more broccolli/spinach/lettuce/etc…

The plan is to shed some fat and after that gain some quality mass. Seems to me the AD is the way to go!

Oh and honestly: I’m already looking a bit forward to next weekend’s carb-up… won’t keep it that clean I guess :slight_smile:

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
…
I think I’m doing it right this time, about halfway through the break-in-phase, ate ate ate, more fat than protein this time, really chowing down the fat…
and though I’ve been low-carbing for a long time I’m experiencing some sort of a crash the last few days. Yesterday I was too tired to go out into town so I went to bed, and me-skipping-a-saturday, that happens only once each two years or so.

I just hope I get it right this time. Avoiding (or at least eating less) chicken, going for more beef, lots of olive oil, (feta) cheese, nuts, and this time, more broccolli/spinach/lettuce/etc…

The plan is to shed some fat and after that gain some quality mass. Seems to me the AD is the way to go!

Oh and honestly: I’m already looking a bit forward to next weekend’s carb-up… won’t keep it that clean I guess :)[/quote]

from one ADer to another tryin to lose fat…keep it clean on the loads its way beneficial…if must see hwat yor in ofr when you dont keep it clean

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I want to preface my question by saying Ive been on the AD for about a month now and absolutely love it. I can’t conclusively say that I have melted away fat because of the absurd changes in my life that have occurred in the last couple weeks. I had been weighing myself at home and losing some pounds, then I get out to a new job in a new city join a gym. Somehow in 7 days of not working out i gained 8 pounds. I don’t believe that in the least, partly becuse it doesnt make sense and partly because I know I ate clean during that time. Further, it was on an electronit Tanita scale and this gym seems like the kind of place who would tinker with it to make people think they were fatter than that actually were. But i digress. I love the diet and feel much better because of it. I also look and feel skinnier.

Now for my question. For those of you who have been using it as a weight loss tool, what kind of lifting routines have you been doing? I am restricted to lifting when my room mate wnats to lift as I have no car, and the best I can do is probably three days a week. I can get to a gym more often (there is one at my apartment) but the highest the dumbells go to is 50 pounds and there are no barbells. Any and all help would be appreciated.

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[quote]TheTank123 wrote:
I want to preface my question by saying Ive been on the AD for about a month now and absolutely love it. I can’t conclusively say that I have melted away fat because of the absurd changes in my life that have occurred in the last couple weeks. I had been weighing myself at home and losing some pounds, then I get out to a new job in a new city join a gym. Somehow in 7 days of not working out i gained 8 pounds. I don’t believe that in the least, partly becuse it doesnt make sense and partly because I know I ate clean during that time. Further, it was on an electronit Tanita scale and this gym seems like the kind of place who would tinker with it to make people think they were fatter than that actually were. But i digress. I love the diet and feel much better because of it. I also look and feel skinnier.

Now for my question. For those of you who have been using it as a weight loss tool, what kind of lifting routines have you been doing? I am restricted to lifting when my room mate wnats to lift as I have no car, and the best I can do is probably three days a week. I can get to a gym more often (there is one at my apartment) but the highest the dumbells go to is 50 pounds and there are no barbells. Any and all help would be appreciated.[/quote]

i work ou in 2 gyms one scale says iam 96kg the other says iam 92. so dont worry much abt the scale it differs and again go with mirror look and waist measurement tht will give u accurate measure of the progress. in any case did u do a full carb up when u dint workout for the week? according to me u gaining 8 pounds is silly i cant belive it if u dint workout and did a carbup maybe 2or 3 pounds is ok not 8 pounds.
3 day is fine tht is more then enough i think do u do a spilt or a full body routine? maybe rest 3 days u can do ur cardio maybe have a brisk walk around the block tht will also help u . and if u dont workout for a week i think u must adjust ur carb load accordingly. remember training depletes the glygogen and the carb load super compensates it only if the stores are depleted .

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i strongly feel that carbload must be really adjusted according to the amount and volume and intensity of our training on that given week.
sometimes we tend to get busy with work maybe go out for a vacation and dont train as we allways do, the carbload must be adjustd accordingly.
for 3 months initally i lost 22pounds on ad . then wnet for a tour to usa and cananda and was traing less per week but doing the full carbload for 24 hours and belive me i gained almost 12 pounds again . if we do intense 4 day training per week and also add some hiit. then a 24 hour carb;load really becomes a must if we are gearing towards fat loss. but if the training is really less i still feel that carbload must be adjust accordingly.

i met some people in usa who do martial arts and we know there training is quiet intense yet the just carbload for 12 hours that is like they do a full body session on sunday morning and carbload till sunday night thats it. or just have 1 carb meal on wed night and another carb meal on sunday night.

according to them the key is to have enough fats rest of the week. and with my own messups at times i strongly belive that carbload must not be seen as a binge and also as a fun but just a imp requirement done perfectly taking the view of that weeks training and the comming weeks training .

as for the junk and icecreams on carbload specially people gearing for fat loss wont help atall as rob faigin states in the book that table sugar is a mix of frutcose also which fills the liver mostly and not the muscles. so potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes brown rice lentils, beans and oats will do the best work . fruits other then berries and apples also must be eaten in moderation and best can be eliminated also.

also many people even dont know if they are lactose intolerant and gluten allergic so keeping milk and wheat products at a side can also help a lot .

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Right, I’ll take the last few posts into consideration when I carb up this coming weekend, because sadly enough I don’t have much time to train this week ( but I don’t think this will be getting in the way of my fat-adaptation phase? ) - trained yesterday(monday) and I’ll probably do a heavy, last, pre-carb-loading-36h-workout. So tomorrow and the day after, I’ll keep it a bit lower on the calories. And I’ll try to keep the carb load quite clean anyway, yeah.

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Hi everyone

who used the AD for a mass gaining phase?
Now I’m very lean I’m 77.4kg at6% of BF, I cannot gain mass, probably I’m afraid to get fat, and I really like my actual “shape” even if I whant to get bigger, so I’m searching for a diet plan wich allow me to build up some more muscles, without adding too much body fat.

My mainteinance kcal intake is setted at around 3000kcal day, I thought I could eat at around 3000-3100kcal day during week days and then bump up the caloric intake of the week-end, to 5000-6000 day eating oatmeal, basmati rice, legumes whole bread etc.( all clean “BB friendly” foods by teh way")

I could train on Tuesday, Thursday, and in the W.e., that’s why I prefer to ramp up the calories on the w.e., to be shure to fully saturate my glicogen loads even if I train hard.

I will probably add sprints and bike sprints or interval training+ calves/ABS work on the other days…

any comment?
any advice?

Tnx in advance

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lookin for some opinions and maybe some insight…howd you all treat a carb up on an off week?and one more thing FF Yogurt is ok right…it seems weird i havnt boughten any for a catb up and wondered maybe its for a reason…?(maybe the protein in it?)

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
lookin for some opinions and maybe some insight…howd you all treat a carb up on an off week?and one more thing FF Yogurt is ok right…it seems weird i havnt boughten any for a catb up and wondered maybe its for a reason…?(maybe the protein in it?)[/quote]

Personally, I would just do a 1 day carbup in that case if your not already doing one.

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I’m back on the thread after a short vacation to D.C. this last weekend.

raviraj - Thanks for posting the links to second-opinion.com. It was interesting looking at his thoughts about insulin response to CHO intake, and it really answered my questions.

I’m convinced, after my last carb load, that ovalpine’s post on water intake is absolutely KEY to feeling great on this diet. I kept my water intake extremely low for my last CHO load, and felt (and looked) fantastic. It was a completely different animal. I’m going to try CT’s advice about slowly increasing water intake from Mon to Fri then cutting it back to an absolute minimum on Sat and Sun (my load days). I’m excited about how much of a difference it made last week.

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
lookin for some opinions and maybe some insight…howd you all treat a carb up on an off week?and one more thing FF Yogurt is ok right…it seems weird i havnt boughten any for a catb up and wondered maybe its for a reason…?(maybe the protein in it?)

Personally, I would just do a 1 day carbup in that case if your not already doing one.[/quote]

thanx for the reply…btw the Green Lantern is the shit