sasha …i did the blood test empty stomach …maybe a 8 hours of gap …and the week when i started twiuce a day training i started feeling sluggish . i had taken my last shot of primobolon on …wed and i did this test on sat morning .
i read in many articles tht aas do alter the ldl hdl ratio .
as eating …i have cut the fat completly for a while …iam just taking 10cap of fish oil everyday thts it vegetables and protien isd up …and small potato after workout .
strenght is still up…i will surely do the test again as u said …
i was shocked to see the blood sugar 103 when iu was not even eating carbs.
the doc said …it maybe because u had a hard week with weights and must be stressfull and sometimes body does have high sugar …thanx for ur help u have been allways there for every 1. i mean really god bless u with everything u desire in life-raviraj
ovalpline - Awesome post! Thanks for sharing. I’m going to give this a try next carb up.
Hi. I’ve started the AD and this is only my second day of very low carbs, but I felt like CRAP tonight and I just ate a whole red bell pepper and cucumber, taking my daily carbs up to 41 g. Should I start counting the 12 days all over again…will this matter. I feel better now…so obviously I ate probably too many carbs?
Oh, one other thing. I just started reading the E-book, and it says this diet allows you to loose fat from your “stubborn” areas…has anyone found this true?
[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Hi. I’ve started the AD and this is only my second day of very low carbs, but I felt like CRAP tonight and I just ate a whole red bell pepper and cucumber, taking my daily carbs up to 41 g. Should I start counting the 12 days all over again…will this matter. I feel better now…so obviously I ate probably too many carbs?
[/quote]
Hi Sarah,
Welcome aboard!
No, I don’t think you need to ‘start-over.’ However, let’s get off on the right foot, shall we?
First, don’t restrict yourself. Eat.
Eat wisely, but eat. The induction phase is difficult as is -no need to compound things by restricting yourself
Have a good hearty breakfast (most important) and snack throughout the day. Have your lunch, your dinner and even a snack before bed (all AD friendly foods, of course).
Don’t allow yourself to get hungry!
Walnuts and filberts make great snacks, brickcheese and lil’ smokies too.
And of course eat plenty of cruciferous veggies: broc, cauliflower, spinach and the like to keep the GI tract in good health.
You should be full and stay full during the induction. Believe me, eating AD style will fill you up quickly -so don’t fret about any weight gain. The scale may jump up and down for the first few days but bear with it -things will improve.
If you get cravings for something sweet, there are all sorts of little tricks and recipes to try.
…just ask
peace
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
Hi Sarah,
Welcome aboard!
No, I don’t think you need to ‘start-over.’ However, let’s get off on the right foot, shall we?
First, don’t restrict yourself. Eat.
Eat wisely, but eat. The induction phase is difficult as is -no need to compound things by restricting yourself
Have a good hearty breakfast (most important) and snack throughout the day. Have your lunch, your dinner and even a snack before bed (all AD friendly foods, of course).
Don’t allow yourself to get hungry!
Walnuts and filberts make great snacks, brickcheese and lil’ smokies too.
And of course eat plenty of cruciferous veggies: broc, cauliflower, spinach and the like to keep the GI tract in good health.
You should be full and stay full during the induction. Believe me, eating AD style will fill you up quickly -so don’t fret about any weight gain. The scale may jump up and down for the first few days but bear with it -things will improve.
If you get cravings for something sweet, there are all sorts of little tricks and recipes to try.
…just ask
peace [/quote]
Yeah and during the induction phase you are way better off overdoing the fat than not getting enough.
I know how the girls do fret over that fat, but you want to force adaptation and that will be done most efficiently by staying real low on the carbs and real high on the fat. Believe me, you don’t want to get caught between the two metabolisms.
[quote]raviraj wrote:
sasha …i did the blood test empty stomach …maybe a 8 hours of gap …and the week when i started twiuce a day training i started feeling sluggish . i had taken my last shot of primobolon on …wed and i did this test on sat morning .
i read in many articles tht aas do alter the ldl hdl ratio .
as eating …i have cut the fat completly for a while …iam just taking 10cap of fish oil everyday thts it vegetables and protien isd up …and small potato after workout .
strenght is still up…i will surely do the test again as u said …
i was shocked to see the blood sugar 103 when iu was not even eating carbs.
the doc said …it maybe because u had a hard week with weights and must be stressfull and sometimes body does have high sugar …thanx for ur help u have been allways there for every 1. i mean really god bless u with everything u desire in life-raviraj[/quote]
Ok rav,
Here’s my take on it . . .
You have a couple of things that are working in synergy to create an environment that would most likely lead to a result like the one you’ve seen. The first are the anabolics. As you’ve mentioned, anabolic steroids are prone to altering cholesterol test levels in the blood and the fact that you did take them that week leads to believe that this was a contributing factor. I do not know the half life of the steroids you are using but it is safe to assume that you probably do still have trace amounts in your body.
The second element I believe that may have contributed to your heightened LDL count would be the fact that you are indeed fat adapted.
Your metabolism and body now relies on fat for energy and given that you were in a fasted state and at the end of a week of very-low carb eating, LDL, which is primarily composed of non-dietary fats, may be indexing a little higher than normal. Now in no way would I say this is THE reason you index so highly but it may have contributed to a slight increase.
Another thing worth considering is whether you have an underactive thyroid gland. If you’ve been chronically dieting for too long your thyroid will begin to down regulate, trying to combat the imbalance in caloric intake levels and attempting to create a homeostatic environment. An underactive thyroid gland has been identified as being a cause for increases in cholesterol.
As for your blood sugars, my take is as follows. Seeing as you were in a fasted state, at the end of a week of very low carbs and would have endured a lot of exercise, your blood sugar levels would have most likely been quite low upon rising. Given this, your pancreas will have most likely released a hormone called glucagon which would signal to your liver to raise blood sugar levels by breaking down stored glucose or protein via glucogenisis. As I continue to harp on about, despite being fat adapted, our body’s still need glucose to function in some capacity. I believe that this is why you may have indexed with a slightly higher blood glucose level.
The rest of your lipid profile scores in a safe range so that is good news.
Again, I have to say that I am not a doctor and aside from what you’ve mentioned, which I have to assume is all true, this is just my guess. For now, don’t worry about the AD and make sure you follow what your doctor prescribes to improve your lipid profile.
Hope that gave you some conversation pieces for your next doctors appointment.
Cheers,
Sasha
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
I’m not sure I understand what the difference is between the way the AD works and the way a typical low-carb diet with a carb-heavy PWO drink works. I’d like to have a better grasp on the science, so I’d appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable folks would weigh in here.
On the AD you take in plentiful carbs on the weekend to stock your muscles full of glycogen. Then you work out hard all week while keeping carbs extremely low and effectively deplete your glycogen levels/burn a lot of fat, then you repeat.
On a Berardi style, low-carb diet you take in a bunch of simple carbs during and after your workout to restock your muscles full of glycogen. For the rest of the day you eat few carbs and presumably burn fat.
What’s the difference?
Why couldn’t you eat exactly as you normally do on the AD, have a carb heavy PWO drink, and never do a weekend CHO load? What would happen?
Thanks.[/quote]
I was actually wondering this as well… But the thing is, you would have to take in quite a few carbs post workout if you didn’t want to do a carbload. But some ppl do do it. Its called a targeted ketogenic diet. But the ckd is much more fun in my opinion.
sasha if u get time u can pls read this link http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/38/3/253
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
I’m not sure I understand what the difference is between the way the AD works and the way a typical low-carb diet with a carb-heavy PWO drink works. I’d like to have a better grasp on the science, so I’d appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable folks would weigh in here.
I was actually wondering this as well… But the thing is, you would have to take in quite a few carbs post workout if you didn’t want to do a carbload. But some ppl do do it. Its called a targeted ketogenic diet. But the ckd is much more fun in my opinion.[/quote]
Yeah, it seems like you would need a lot of carbs. But lets say you take in 600g of carbs over the 2-day CHO load on the AD. Wouldn’t you only need to take in 600g over the course of a week of PWO nutrition to equal the effect on your glycogen levels? So, if you worked out on a 5-day split, you’d take in 60g of carbs pre and 60g post-workout, then eat low-carb on your days off. That doesn’t seem beyond reason, or even difficult.
The AD feels different to me, but I’m not sure exactly why that is.
[quote]raviraj wrote:
sasha if u get time u can pls read this link http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/38/3/253[/quote]
Rav,
Unfortunately this study did not study the effects of AAS on LDL which is the most concerning aspect of your lipid profile. I do believe that the anabolics that you are taking did affect your HDL levels and decreased them in your lipid profile.
Is there anything else you wanted me to comment on with that study?
Best,
Sasha
[quote]SashaG wrote:
raviraj wrote:
sasha …i did the blood test empty stomach …maybe a 8 hours of gap …and the week when i started twiuce a day training i started feeling sluggish . i had taken my last shot of primobolon on …wed and i did this test on sat morning .
i read in many articles tht aas do alter the ldl hdl ratio .
as eating …i have cut the fat completly for a while …iam just taking 10cap of fish oil everyday thts it vegetables and protien isd up …and small potato after workout .
strenght is still up…i will surely do the test again as u said …
i was shocked to see the blood sugar 103 when iu was not even eating carbs.
the doc said …it maybe because u had a hard week with weights and must be stressfull and sometimes body does have high sugar …thanx for ur help u have been allways there for every 1. i mean really god bless u with everything u desire in life-raviraj
Ok rav,
Here’s my take on it . . .
You have a couple of things that are working in synergy to create an environment that would most likely lead to a result like the one you’ve seen. The first are the anabolics. As you’ve mentioned, anabolic steroids are prone to altering cholesterol test levels in the blood and the fact that you did take them that week leads to believe that this was a contributing factor. I do not know the half life of the steroids you are using but it is safe to assume that you probably do still have trace amounts in your body.
The second element I believe that may have contributed to your heightened LDL count would be the fact that you are indeed fat adapted.
Your metabolism and body now relies on fat for energy and given that you were in a fasted state and at the end of a week of very-low carb eating, LDL, which is primarily composed of non-dietary fats, may be indexing a little higher than normal. Now in no way would I say this is THE reason you index so highly but it may have contributed to a slight increase.
Another thing worth considering is whether you have an underactive thyroid gland. If you’ve been chronically dieting for too long your thyroid will begin to down regulate, trying to combat the imbalance in caloric intake levels and attempting to create a homeostatic environment. An underactive thyroid gland has been identified as being a cause for increases in cholesterol.
As for your blood sugars, my take is as follows. Seeing as you were in a fasted state, at the end of a week of very low carbs and would have endured a lot of exercise, your blood sugar levels would have most likely been quite low upon rising. Given this, your pancreas will have most likely released a hormone called glucagon which would signal to your liver to raise blood sugar levels by breaking down stored glucose or protein via glucogenisis. As I continue to harp on about, despite being fat adapted, our body’s still need glucose to function in some capacity. I believe that this is why you may have indexed with a slightly higher blood glucose level.
The rest of your lipid profile scores in a safe range so that is good news.
Again, I have to say that I am not a doctor and aside from what you’ve mentioned, which I have to assume is all true, this is just my guess. For now, don’t worry about the AD and make sure you follow what your doctor prescribes to improve your lipid profile.
Hope that gave you some conversation pieces for your next doctors appointment.
Cheers,
Sasha
[/quote]
thanx a million again sasha . for the detail help what i appreciate is that …though u must be busy with ur life training u took special time and did a detail explanation for my mess thanx a lot … thanx a million may god allways bless u -raviraj
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
I just got an amazing response from Christian Thibaudeau regarding how to minimize the effect of holding subcutaneous water that I knew I had to share with you all.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I would switch to a 1 day carb load and do the following:
During the week (low carb days) double your fluid intake… drink like crazy. You won’t retain water because you are no ingesting any carbs. The day before your carb up should be the one with the highest water intake.
During your carb-up day drastically cut down your water intake to the bare minimum.
This is kinda like what bodybuilders do to peak for a show.
The increase in water intake during the week will downregulate aldosterone, which will turn your body into a water excreting machine instead of a storing one. As you abruptly cut down your water during your carb-up day you will still be in “flushing” mode but not drinking much… as a result you should actually dry out.
The carbs require water to be stored in the muscles. 2.7g of water to store 1g of carbs to be exact. If you are overconsuming carbs and underconsuming water your body will have to take subcutaneous (beneath the skin) water to store carbs in the muscle. As a result you will both look fuller and dryer.
For good measure you can also soak for 30 minutes in a super hot Epsom salt bath at the end of your carb-up day, before going to bed. Epsom salt baths will make you sweat out water like crazy without affecting intramuscular stores. It is also very relaxing and will help you sleep well.
Epsom salts can normally be bought for very cheap at most drug stores.
BTW, during the week (low-carb days) I would actually increase sodium intake (for the same reason as you also jack up water intake) but cut it WAYYYYYY down on your carb-up day.
Vitamin C is also a mild diuretic, so ingesting 2-3x 1000mg during the carb-up day will help you flush some more water.
ovalpline wrote:
Christian,
I have an interesting question for you:
I’ve been using the AD now for a long time and genuinely love it. I’ve gotten bigger, stronger, and leaner… and continue to do so. The only issue I have is holding subcutaneous water for 2 days after my carb-loads. It’s simply not the best of looks, you know?
Since I’ve been in the US and going to school, I’ve decided that’s it’s no big deal. However, I leave tomorrow to study abroad in Chile… and I want to look good (read: avoid holding much subcutaneous water) at near all times… after all, I’ll be meeting many exotic, beautiful ladies and it will be summer time since Chile is in the Southern Hemisphere.
So basically, I want to get your opinion on a diet strategy that is geared basically toward maintenance and allows me to avoid holding much subcutaneous water… preferably still utilizing the basic tenets of the AD (fat adaptation with carb-loads).
I was considering doing a one day carb-load every 5th day instead of my usual 5 days low-carb, 2 days carb-up. My hunch is that this should keep me from reaching the point of holding subcutaneous water by way of shortcircuiting the glycogen supercompensation.
I think this method should work, especially considering that I will probably be exercising 3 (maybe 4) days/week instead of the 4 (sometimes 5) days/week I do in the U.S.
For the record, I am 5’6", 167 pounds (glycogen depleted) at <6% BF… and I have always noticed that I tend to hold water rather easily, whether it be from carb-ups or when I was on a higher carb diet (similar to Berardi’s PN) despite drinking lots of water and generally avoiding sodium.
What are your thoughts? [/quote]
ive been wondering this exact same thing…a million thank yous for stepping up and getting a true blue answer
day to day weight managment question…so yea i wrestle…i weighed in after a sweat down practice at 161.5…now i need to be 160 by tomorrow and stay that way thru saturday…i was thinkin of making my meals of the day like this…breakfast:6 egg whites some veggies then for the rest of the day make a allon size shake containing flax protein and maybe some olive oil to kep in my fats and coffee for energy and heat…yea i know sounds shity but i dont wanna get my ass chewed for not making weight…suggestions?(only reason im not on is cuz im usually in the 171 weight class…now im succkin down)
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
I’m not sure I understand what the difference is between the way the AD works and the way a typical low-carb diet with a carb-heavy PWO drink works. I’d like to have a better grasp on the science, so I’d appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable folks would weigh in here.
I was actually wondering this as well… But the thing is, you would have to take in quite a few carbs post workout if you didn’t want to do a carbload. But some ppl do do it. Its called a targeted ketogenic diet. But the ckd is much more fun in my opinion.
Yeah, it seems like you would need a lot of carbs. But lets say you take in 600g of carbs over the 2-day CHO load on the AD. Wouldn’t you only need to take in 600g over the course of a week of PWO nutrition to equal the effect on your glycogen levels? So, if you worked out on a 5-day split, you’d take in 60g of carbs pre and 60g post-workout, then eat low-carb on your days off. That doesn’t seem beyond reason, or even difficult.
The AD feels different to me, but I’m not sure exactly why that is.
[/quote]
With this I’m pretty sure an induction phase would still be necessary so that you are fat adapted when you start it. It seems that it would work way better for building muscle.
And workouts would be better too. But then some ppl get sleepy with carbs, like me, so it would still need to be customized. Don’t see why it wouldnt work tho. Guess its just different.
Okay, I need a little help…it is only the second day of my low carbs and I feel SICK as hell. I can’t sleep, I’m shaky, and I’m eating WAY more cals than normal since I keep trying to make myself feel better but I’m not. I feel so sick it’s hard to believe this is good for me. Should I keep holding out?
I just had some broccoli and cucumbers and protein poweder and eggs but I still feel like crap and can’t sleep…
[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Okay, I need a little help…it is only the second day of my low carbs and I feel SICK as hell. I can’t sleep, I’m shaky, and I’m eating WAY more cals than normal since I keep trying to make myself feel better but I’m not. I feel so sick it’s hard to believe this is good for me. Should I keep holding out?
I just had some broccoli and cucumbers and protein poweder and eggs but I still feel like crap and can’t sleep…
[/quote]
If I remember right, you used to eat a “CRAZY” amount of carbs, right??
Guys, if someone eats lots of veggies…I’m talking a lot of veggies here…then goes to the AD, is there such a thing as “Veggie withdrawal??”
I, in my laymans (and not so educated) opinion says yet, but maybe some more knowledgable people will chime in.
AD
So long as the are the “right” type of veggie you are fine. You cannot eat too much spinach, broccoli or brussel sprouts etc. Just don’t sit around eating corn all day.
Never in your life will you eat too many veggies, ever. The only exception is very skinny dudes trying to gain wieght hard. The insol-fiber creates poorer absorbtion and should be neg in favor of soluable-fiber.
I haven’t put a veggie on my CHO list, ever.
A few pages back there is a well said piece on the function of energy substrates of CHO when in a vegetable context. basically no matter the macro break down you cannot get the energy it says on the package with that much insoluable fiber. The biggest thing you get from veggies are the micro non-organics like iron, folic acid and a lot of vitamin type shit.
-chris
-chris
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Okay, I need a little help…it is only the second day of my low carbs and I feel SICK as hell. I can’t sleep, I’m shaky, and I’m eating WAY more cals than normal since I keep trying to make myself feel better but I’m not. I feel so sick it’s hard to believe this is good for me. Should I keep holding out?
I just had some broccoli and cucumbers and protein poweder and eggs but I still feel like crap and can’t sleep…
If I remember right, you used to eat a “CRAZY” amount of carbs, right??
Guys, if someone eats lots of veggies…I’m talking a lot of veggies here…then goes to the AD, is there such a thing as “Veggie withdrawal??”
I, in my laymans (and not so educated) opinion says yet, but maybe some more knowledgable people will chime in.
AD
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[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Okay, I need a little help…it is only the second day of my low carbs and I feel SICK as hell. >>>
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Is it also your second day of very high fat intake? “Low carbs” doesn’t necessarily indicate high fat.
Hmm. Thank you for the replies…I ended up giving in and eating about 20g of carbs from veggies. 
I wanted to ask…my philosophy going into this was that I would get my body used to burning fat in about 3-4 months on the AD and then when my injury is all healed I can go back to intense workouts and eating my carbs in a cyclical diet. However, is this philosophy flawed? Will my body be unable to handle carbs when I try to go back and will I end up just gaining a bunch of fat?
Thanks!