My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

thanx sasha as ever u ar allways there to help .
i was taking promobolon 400mg weekly
tri trenabol 300mg week
proviron 550mg everday and novladex 20mg everyday.
training was one body part everday rep range was between 6 to 8 . and cardio for 30min everday after workouts.
diet was like this workout on empty stomach
then 1scoop whey 24gms +2tabel sppon olive oil.

meal 2- 5organic eggs made in 2tabelspoon of olive oil. 2 cups vegetables

meal 3=chciken and vegetables

meal 4- whey scoop and 5 fish oil caps

meal 5- i chciken breast and cabbage + tablespoon of olive oil

meal 6- lamby boneless steak roasted + 5 fish oil caps.

last week i was traning one body part everyday and twice .
the pm workout was low rep recovery workout.20 to 25 reps.

and yes last weel was a little stressfull for me because i had never worked twice a day with weights .
this is exactly what i eat in a given day .

ok sasha forgot to tell u abt the carbup

it is usually potatoes, rice , lentils , rice cakes, popocorn, some little custard or pudding, i dint even have icecreams and all that stuff .and yes i never use any sauces and condiments . just black coffee 2 to cups a day

sorry proviron was 50mg not 550mg iam sorry is tht my keyboard is in a mess too which i wil fix tommorow

for people have blood lipid probs or any others with the AD, maybe look at your carb up. Like the others my during the week diet was really good, but weekends if kinda got crazy. You know you can definatly get away with more sugar and junk when you’re first carbing up from a depleted state than a normal diet so i would, but then i reallized there was trans fat in a lot of those products too.

so yes some sugar is fine on loads but trans fat is never okay and could mess you up. Something to keep in mind, ive changed my loads, if i want some sugary cake or something ill have my girlfriend do it so i known whats in it.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
I’m in Germany and have no real way to measure. My body never seems to want to stay at low BF maybe since I just need more lean mass. I was happy when I was very low BF…last summer 125 lbs and under 10% (I’m female and 5’7’') But in trying to maintain I’ve ended up down to 120 lbs and fatter. :frowning:
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sarah, you’re female and managed to get down to 10%?! (!!!) wow i’m impressed!

I fucking love this thread! This is truly next-level shit that we are dealing with here.

Is it just me, or are disc hoss, sasha and other vets prone to arrive like miagi, dispense esoteric but vital information, then slink away into the mist? (I am tired, might be me)

I’m just a baby on this diet. But it’s my diet, forever i think.

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I fucking love this thread! This is truly next-level shit that we are dealing with here.

Is it just me, or are disc hoss, sasha and other vets prone to arrive like miagi, dispense esoteric but vital information, then slink away into the mist? (I am tired, might be me)

I’m just a baby on this diet. But it’s my diet, forever i think.[/quote]

no offense to you or anything…but you cant expect them to baby us when theyve already provided all the knowledge we need…its up to us now to find new loop holes or new ways of doing things to fit our personal style of the AD…time to leave home

Hey guys. Well I did my ketones experiment last week and no ketones showed up. So I’m thinkin that I may be fully adapted. Also My carb loads are getting MUCH better. I stick to healthy carbs now rather than the sugary shit I was eating, and it is way nicer. Constant blood sugar lvl all day long with hardly any swings.

Some interesting stuff has been being discussed lately. I especially like the G-Flux ideas. I’ve started working on that as well… and to mention progress, I now weigh 215lbs at 6’5" and I have never been stronger. For the last year and a half I have juggled between 195-205 in bodyweight, and then last summer I cut to 185 and was completely shredded.

But now I weigh 215, my lifts have gone up dramatically, and I can still see my upper abs. But now its time to cut down for sure (yeah I know I said I was doing that before but the christmas season kicked my ass with sugary shit so I decided to turn it into a semi-bulk). The goal is by march to be down to about 10% bf. Then from there who knows. I’m doin it slow this time so I won’t lose as much muscle like I did last summer. Just felt like getting that all written down, easier to hold myself to it that way… Anyway, happy ADing!

Oh yeah and forgot to mention, I recently got the Body Opus ebook. It’s great and has tons of tips for ppl on a CKD. Lemme know if you want it. Just PM me and I’ll be happy to e-mail it to u.

-Bizmark

How is this diet for teenagers? That may sound like a dumb question but considering that Dr. Di Pasquale says the effects are steroid like… I don’t think I should be screwing around with my hormone levels at 16.

Also, most seem to bulk with this diet, is it optimul for cutting? I am not a 16 year old kid who wants to see my abs, but I am around 20% bf and would like to cut down before bulking.

thanks

Been off the VD for one month now…been doing the AD since…lost 7 more lbs…EFFORTLESSLY. It’s actually scary how easily the transition has been.

I’m not sure I understand what the difference is between the way the AD works and the way a typical low-carb diet with a carb-heavy PWO drink works. I’d like to have a better grasp on the science, so I’d appreciate if any of you more knowledgeable folks would weigh in here.

On the AD you take in plentiful carbs on the weekend to stock your muscles full of glycogen. Then you work out hard all week while keeping carbs extremely low and effectively deplete your glycogen levels/burn a lot of fat, then you repeat.

On a Berardi style, low-carb diet you take in a bunch of simple carbs during and after your workout to restock your muscles full of glycogen. For the rest of the day you eat few carbs and presumably burn fat.

What’s the difference?

Why couldn’t you eat exactly as you normally do on the AD, have a carb heavy PWO drink, and never do a weekend CHO load? What would happen?

Thanks.

[quote]raviraj wrote:
sorry proviron was 50mg not 550mg iam sorry is tht my keyboard is in a mess too which i wil fix tommorow[/quote]

Rav,

More questions . . .

Where you fasted when you took this test? Minimum of 12 hours? When was the last time you exercised before this test? Was it prior? When did you last take your anabolics prior to this test? How are you feeling day to day? Are you sluggish? Is training difficult?

Now I am a little skeptical that given your diet and exercise patterns that you would be triggering so many cardiovascular disease markers. We can assume that triglyceride levels would be higher given that you are fat adapted but the major concerns I have is your LDL levels. They are extremely high for an active individual which leaves me slightly skeptical as to the accuracy of the test.

For now, immediately dial down your saturated fat intake and focus on a diet rich in protein, polyunsaturates, fibre and a moderate amount of monounsaturates. Next schedule another blood test for mid week, maybe a Wednesday, and ensure that you are properly fasted for it. No eating for 12 hours prior to it.

I have to say this but I am not a doctor and I am not advising you as such. I will try to help as best as I can but I do not want you take any action solely based on what I say.

Answer those questions and hopefully we can get to the bottom of it together.

Best,

Sasha

I don’t know why I don’t get my notifications for this thread. I’m thinking it must be quiet and I pop in here just to peek and there’s about 18 posts I’d like to reply to.

We are getting a whole bunch of repeat questions which is kinda understandable because this thread has long ago fallen off the edge of the cliff of manageability.

My first post in this thread was on August 10th of last year on page 122 when I think it was just going over 2000 posts. Doubled in size since then.

[quote]nyama1234 wrote:
How is this diet for teenagers? That may sound like a dumb question but considering that Dr. Di Pasquale says the effects are steroid like… I don’t think I should be screwing around with my hormone levels at 16.

Also, most seem to bulk with this diet, is it optimul for cutting? I am not a 16 year old kid who wants to see my abs, but I am around 20% bf and would like to cut down before bulking.

thanks[/quote]

This is the one statement in the book I wish he wouldn’t have made. Nothing, but steroids are steroid like.

I don’t see a problem for a 16 year old guy except maybe patience and discipline which are typically in short supply in 16 year olds.

You would have no problem dropping from 20% and could probably even make some gains while doing it. However this isn’t a short term shock type program of eating. It will take a couple few months for all the adjustments to completely settle in.

On the other hand at your age just about any sane diet and training program will work wonders if done with commitment and consistency.

I have the same problem with Topic Reply Notifications…just pop in occasionally and it should rememdy itself.

Good to see ya bro.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t know why I don’t get my notifications for this thread. I’m thinking it must be quiet and I pop in here just to peek and there’s about 18 posts I’d like to reply to.

We are getting a whole bunch of repeat questions which is kinda understandable because this thread has long ago fallen off the edge of the cliff of manageability.

My first post in this thread was on August 10th of last year on page 122 when I think it was just going over 2000 posts. Doubled in size since then.[/quote]

I agree.

And I’d like to add that the only problem i see is a difficulty in getting quality protein and fats in a diet.

I mean, when I was 16, I did’nt exactly have money to buy my own food, couldn’t cook, and had to live off of what mom cooked…and that garbage they said was food in the school cafeteria.

AD

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
nyama1234 wrote:
How is this diet for teenagers? That may sound like a dumb question but considering that Dr. Di Pasquale says the effects are steroid like… I don’t think I should be screwing around with my hormone levels at 16.

Also, most seem to bulk with this diet, is it optimul for cutting? I am not a 16 year old kid who wants to see my abs, but I am around 20% bf and would like to cut down before bulking.

thanks

This is the one statement in the book I wish he wouldn’t have made. Nothing, but steroids are steroid like.

I don’t see a problem for a 16 year old guy except maybe patience and discipline which are typically in short supply in 16 year olds.

You would have no problem dropping from 20% and could probably even make some gains while doing it. However this isn’t a short term shock type program of eating. It will take a couple few months for all the adjustments to completely settle in.

On the other hand at your age just about any sane diet and training program will work wonders if done with commitment and consistency. [/quote]

I just started the diet on Jan 1st and I love it. I have always had the sugar highs/lows which I don’t get anymore. I’m excited to see what the next few months bring.

Great thread!!! Thanks everyone for contributing!

Don’t know how what i wrote before about mystical ways of the vets could be insulting, but i didn’t mean it that way. Respect to vets and newbies.

What do you all do for periworkout nutrition? Because it would make sense, from inference, to drink two scoops whey, with a few hundred cals of fats too, while training. Is this the case? If so, what do you do? I was thinking about buying loads of uht cream, to use in peri-and post-workout drinks. ideas?

I just got an amazing response from Christian Thibaudeau regarding how to minimize the effect of holding subcutaneous water that I knew I had to share with you all.

Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I would switch to a 1 day carb load and do the following:

During the week (low carb days) double your fluid intake… drink like crazy. You won’t retain water because you are no ingesting any carbs. The day before your carb up should be the one with the highest water intake.

During your carb-up day drastically cut down your water intake to the bare minimum.

This is kinda like what bodybuilders do to peak for a show.

The increase in water intake during the week will downregulate aldosterone, which will turn your body into a water excreting machine instead of a storing one. As you abruptly cut down your water during your carb-up day you will still be in “flushing” mode but not drinking much… as a result you should actually dry out.

The carbs require water to be stored in the muscles. 2.7g of water to store 1g of carbs to be exact. If you are overconsuming carbs and underconsuming water your body will have to take subcutaneous (beneath the skin) water to store carbs in the muscle. As a result you will both look fuller and dryer.

For good measure you can also soak for 30 minutes in a super hot Epsom salt bath at the end of your carb-up day, before going to bed. Epsom salt baths will make you sweat out water like crazy without affecting intramuscular stores. It is also very relaxing and will help you sleep well.

Epsom salts can normally be bought for very cheap at most drug stores.

BTW, during the week (low-carb days) I would actually increase sodium intake (for the same reason as you also jack up water intake) but cut it WAYYYYYY down on your carb-up day.

Vitamin C is also a mild diuretic, so ingesting 2-3x 1000mg during the carb-up day will help you flush some more water.

ovalpline wrote:
Christian,
I have an interesting question for you:

I’ve been using the AD now for a long time and genuinely love it. I’ve gotten bigger, stronger, and leaner… and continue to do so. The only issue I have is holding subcutaneous water for 2 days after my carb-loads. It’s simply not the best of looks, you know?

Since I’ve been in the US and going to school, I’ve decided that’s it’s no big deal. However, I leave tomorrow to study abroad in Chile… and I want to look good (read: avoid holding much subcutaneous water) at near all times… after all, I’ll be meeting many exotic, beautiful ladies and it will be summer time since Chile is in the Southern Hemisphere.

So basically, I want to get your opinion on a diet strategy that is geared basically toward maintenance and allows me to avoid holding much subcutaneous water… preferably still utilizing the basic tenets of the AD (fat adaptation with carb-loads).

I was considering doing a one day carb-load every 5th day instead of my usual 5 days low-carb, 2 days carb-up. My hunch is that this should keep me from reaching the point of holding subcutaneous water by way of shortcircuiting the glycogen supercompensation.

I think this method should work, especially considering that I will probably be exercising 3 (maybe 4) days/week instead of the 4 (sometimes 5) days/week I do in the U.S.

For the record, I am 5’6", 167 pounds (glycogen depleted) at <6% BF… and I have always noticed that I tend to hold water rather easily, whether it be from carb-ups or when I was on a higher carb diet (similar to Berardi’s PN) despite drinking lots of water and generally avoiding sodium.

What are your thoughts?

Ok that’s it, I’m re-doing the break-in-phase. I’ve been doing some AD-‘ish’ stuff as of lately, I react well to low-carbing, but I think last few times I was a bit low on the fat and too high in protein. Started yesterday, gonna keep it up til next friday to turn into a fat-metabolizer, then load in a sensible way, just one day (friday night till saturday night). Gonna get me some more steak, feta, pita meat, and the likes.

I’ve been feeling good going lowcarb the last months, and hence I do not fear a crash coming along during the break in either ( Didn’t have that last times I started it out … but like I said: Mr Too Much Protein over here )

Good to be back, love this thread, gonna be shedding off the fat and building some muscle!