My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
You are not eating enough. My sister did this same thing and now her metabolism is deadly slow.[/quote]
eh? how do you know i’m not eating enough??

[quote]To lean out well you have to get your metabolism way up past 3000cal/day and then take 200 cal off per weekuntil youn get to 10x BW (roughly). Your metabolism was likely never high unless you have ever put an effort into eating 3000+ cals of clean food per day. Get your metabolism up without gaining fat and then try leaning again.
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sorry, could you explain why 3000cal/day?

the most i’ve ever managed to get up to while bulking without gaining more fat than muscle is 2500cal. that was about 20% carbs, 50% protein, 30% fat.

ok i’ll try to add in more fat.

i understand what you mean. at uni, i eat about every 2 hours. but now that i’m working (and at a law firm) it’s a bit difficult to eat every 2 hours if i’m with clients or in court. will go back to every 2 hours though after this job is over.

hmm. i’m not quite sure, but strength gains have been lovely ever since starting crossfit last june. after switching to AD, strength and endurance have increased.

since end of the 12-day induction which was beginning of december.

ovalpline: thanks for your reply. after reading your post, i felt like i just got punched. but i know you have good intentions so it’s ok :slight_smile:

ok. when i’m hungry, should i be making sure i eat more fat than protein?

yup i started cutting in july (measuring food), stopped measuring and ate when i was hungry from sept to mid-nov. then began the 12-day in mid-nov with measuring. started cutting and measuring from mid-nov to mid-dec. ate when i was hungry and stopped measuring from mid-dec.

hahaha! okok. my stomach has shrunk a lot like one of the members posted. but i will try to eat more starchy carbs. thanks for the G-Flux link!

[quote]dissipate wrote:
ok. when i’m hungry, should i be making sure i eat more fat than protein?
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I think you may have just found your problem. Are you getting at least 60% of your daily calorie intake from fat? The AD isn’t going to work right if you’re trying to subsist on protein.

My breakdown is usually closer to 70% fat.

[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
dissipate wrote:
ok. when i’m hungry, should i be making sure i eat more fat than protein?

I think you may have just found your problem. Are you getting at least 60% of your daily calorie intake from fat? The AD isn’t going to work right if you’re trying to subsist on protein.

My breakdown is usually closer to 70% fat.[/quote]
good point, and probably not. thanks for pointing that out and reminding me that most of the cals is supposed to come on fat.

[quote]dissipate wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
dissipate wrote:
ok. when i’m hungry, should i be making sure i eat more fat than protein?

I think you may have just found your problem. Are you getting at least 60% of your daily calorie intake from fat? The AD isn’t going to work right if you’re trying to subsist on protein.

My breakdown is usually closer to 70% fat.
good point, and probably not. thanks for pointing that out and reminding me that most of the cals is supposed to come on fat.

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You have to put yourself in a really strange mindset to go against everything you have been told about nutrition throughout your life and just pack in the fats.

But after seeing how quickly I leaned out at the beginning, how quickly I lean out after (and even during) every CHO load, and feeling the general well-being I experience from balanced energy levels, I am a FIRM believer in the AD lifestyle.

Since I’m just getting started myself (entering month two) I’ve been tracking everything I put in my mouth (except veggies) on fitday.com to help me get a feel for what I need to eat to get the right macro breakdown. I would highly suggest it. It only takes 15 seconds of my time at each meal.

freinds iam t6otally screwed up …iam on ad for last 8 months and was doing fine …recently wanted to get ripped to 8percent body fat as being a actor i have a role which demands tht. iam also taking anabolics so i could lean faster and preserve some lean mass.

today before the carbup i did a blood test …empty stomach and i was shocked to see the report.
blood sugar fasting-103
appearance of serum-clear
total cholestoral-283
hdl-50
ldl-203.6
vldl-29.4
serum triglycerides-147
total\hdl-5.66
ldl\hdl-4.07
vldl\triglycerides-0.2

now this is a fucked up profile
iam so worried …i dont know if this ratio is because of the anabolics iam taking iam taking primobolon and winstrol and tri-trenabol. anti-estrogens and proviron.
or it is because iam not adjusting to the diet very well means iam not a good fat metabolizer?

also iam not losing any weight infact iam gaining weight on scale . and also on my waist it has increasedf by 1 inch then it was before.
iam totally disturbed because i really like this diet so much .
my trainer said is better to adopt a zone diet minus fruits and see what happens …chris, pauli d , tribulus,sasha and any 1 what are ur views ?

[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
Since I’m just getting started myself (entering month two) I’ve been tracking everything I put in my mouth (except veggies) on fitday.com to help me get a feel for what I need to eat to get the right macro breakdown. I would highly suggest it. It only takes 15 seconds of my time at each meal.[/quote]

alright industrial :slight_smile:

another question is: how do you know when you’ve eaten enough carbs on the carb-up? i began a carb-up yesterday intending for it to last only 24 hours. this is what went in:

2 slices bread
1 peach
1 banana
1 orange
1/4 bag nofat pretzels
1/2 bag vegetable chips
6 pieces sushi
1 slice apple pie
1 scoop ice-cream
1 bowl noodles
fish and chips
1 curry puff
1 slice tapioca
1 slice light cheesecake
an ice dessert which has red beans and jelly (no sugar)

ovalpline would probably say this is weak, but i felt so stuffed at night and got nauseous and vomitted a little. this probably means i’ll have to do a 36-hour carb-up?

[quote]dissipate wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
Since I’m just getting started myself (entering month two) I’ve been tracking everything I put in my mouth (except veggies) on fitday.com to help me get a feel for what I need to eat to get the right macro breakdown. I would highly suggest it. It only takes 15 seconds of my time at each meal.

alright industrial :slight_smile:

some say its when u notice some water weight…i personally like to just eat whatever fruits and grains etc every 2 or so hours in nice portions for 2 days

another question is: how do you know when you’ve eaten enough carbs on the carb-up? i began a carb-up yesterday intending for it to last only 24 hours. this is what went in:

2 slices bread
1 peach
1 banana
1 orange
1/4 bag nofat pretzels
1/2 bag vegetable chips
6 pieces sushi
1 slice apple pie
1 scoop ice-cream
1 bowl noodles
fish and chips
1 curry puff
1 slice tapioca
1 slice light cheesecake
an ice dessert which has red beans and jelly (no sugar)

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ovalpline would probably say this is weak, but i felt so stuffed at night and got nauseous and vomitted a little. this probably means i’ll have to do a 36-hour carb-up?

[quote]dissipate wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
Since I’m just getting started myself (entering month two) I’ve been tracking everything I put in my mouth (except veggies) on fitday.com to help me get a feel for what I need to eat to get the right macro breakdown. I would highly suggest it. It only takes 15 seconds of my time at each meal.

alright industrial :slight_smile:

another question is: how do you know when you’ve eaten enough carbs on the carb-up? i began a carb-up yesterday intending for it to last only 24 hours. this is what went in:

2 slices bread
1 peach
1 banana
1 orange
1/4 bag nofat pretzels
1/2 bag vegetable chips
6 pieces sushi
1 slice apple pie
1 scoop ice-cream
1 bowl noodles
fish and chips
1 curry puff
1 slice tapioca
1 slice light cheesecake
an ice dessert which has red beans and jelly (no sugar)

ovalpline would probably say this is weak, but i felt so stuffed at night and got nauseous and vomitted a little. this probably means i’ll have to do a 36-hour carb-up? [/quote]

If you’re eating so much that you’re vomitting it back up, or feeling nauseous, you’ve obviously eaten too much. Do you really need someone on an internet forum to tell you that?

You have to follow what feels best for your body with an eye towards acheiving your goals. If that was too much, try eating a little less in small meals spread throughout the day on your next CHO up. Try to get in as many carbs as you can while still feeling good. Then increase them a little bit the next week.

This is a question to all of you on the thread…

I’m wanting to start the AD, but as it seems most people have, I have reservations about veggies. However, veggies, ARE carbs. I looked up the carb profile on the veggies I eat (broccoli, bell peppers, green beans, cucmbers, spinach, and romaine lettuce) and they average about 2-6 g. NET carbs per cup. Well, I eat about 12-15 cups a day, that gets me to 60 carbs all ready, and throw in the few from protein powder, I’m at 80. This according to the AD would be way too high. Would the diet then not work?
Could some of you who have had such great success post one day’s food as an example?

Second of all, do you find you can eat a lot more on this diet without gaining fat?

Third, how long does the bloat from the refeed last?

Fourth, would it be advantageous to have a mid week carb up (one day) and just one day on the weekend?

Also, do you eat fats BEFORE working out if you workout very early in the morning? I just can’t stomach fats that early. Should I just eat protein? Would my body go into “protein burning” mode?

Any insights would be VERY appreciated.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
This is a question to all of you on the thread…

I’m wanting to start the AD, but as it seems most people have, I have reservations about veggies. However, veggies, ARE carbs. I looked up the carb profile on the veggies I eat (broccoli, bell peppers, green beans, cucmbers, spinach, and romaine lettuce) and they average about 2-6 g. NET carbs per cup. Well, I eat about 12-15 cups a day, that gets me to 60 carbs all ready, and throw in the few from protein powder, I’m at 80. This according to the AD would be way too high. Would the diet then not work?
Could some of you who have had such great success post one day’s food as an example?
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What all the vets have been saying is that non-starchy veggies are a non-factor in thinking about your daily carb intake. We’re eating as much brocolli, cauliflower, spinach, lettuce, celery as we want and not tracking it. If you think about it, it makes sense. How many veggies would you have to eat to get fat?

[quote]
Second of all, do you find you can eat a lot more on this diet without gaining fat?[/quote]

That’s what people are saying. I’m slowly working my cals up in number so I can’t confirm that yet.

I don’t really get bloated from the refeeds (just my muscles). I generally feel ‘lean’ again by Tuesday after ending Sunday.

Haven’t tried this. You’d have to give it a go and see what happens.

Some have suggested getting some protein, some have suggested fats. To me it makes a lot of sense to intake mostly fats in the morning, since that is, presumably, what my body is looking to burn for energy.

I’ve tried a week of taking a whey/olive oil mix and a week of a cup of coffee with a couple of tbs of cream in it. I prefer the cream, but it might just be the caffein.

I’d echo the advice of a lot of the experienced ADers here and suggest that you just follow DiPasquale’s recommendation for at least two months before you start tweaking things around. The diet works if you just give it a little time.

[quote]dissipate wrote:
another question is: how do you know when you’ve eaten enough carbs on the carb-up? i began a carb-up yesterday intending for it to last only 24 hours. this is what went in:

2 slices bread
1 peach
1 banana
1 orange
1/4 bag nofat pretzels
1/2 bag vegetable chips
6 pieces sushi
1 slice apple pie
1 scoop ice-cream
1 bowl noodles
fish and chips
1 curry puff
1 slice tapioca
1 slice light cheesecake
an ice dessert which has red beans and jelly (no sugar)

ovalpline would probably say this is weak, but i felt so stuffed at night and got nauseous and vomitted a little. this probably means i’ll have to do a 36-hour carb-up? [/quote]

Damn, craving the sweets, eh? It’s not the worst of things to give in to those temptations, but remember that the quality of food that you eat DOES matter, particularly when we are talking about carbohydrates.

It’s good that you are eating fruit and the like, but I would recommend incorporating sweet potatoes/yams, oatmeal, and brown rice in place of the junk. You’re more likely to fill your glycogen stores and avoid a lipogenic insulin response by eating clean foods. You should find that your cravings for sweets will decrease from not only eating lots of clean starchy foods on your loads, but also long term use of the AD.

With all this in mind, I won’t say that your carb-load is weak because it definitely looks like you took in more calories, but I would suggest really focusing on the quality of the foods in your loads.

Finally, your carb-load itself will invariably fall within the 12-48 hour range, depending on the glycemic index of your foods, how many calories you are taking in, and the macronutrient ratios of your meals. You’ll know when you have finished your carb-load when you start to hold sub-cutaneous water. Believe me, this is a unique feeling that is difficult to characterize and should be understood in contrast to a bloat. Whereas in a bloat, your stomach feels very full and distends from the volume of food it carries, holding subcutaneous water makes you feel bloated, puffy, and round all over.

  1. Probably do the under 30 grams for the intro and then go through the charts and experiment to see how you react to those extra veggie carbs. once you’ve adapted they probably wont be an issue as long as they’re fibrous carbs

I dont really get bloated to muuch on refeeds, oatmeal kinda does it, but that might just be the volume of food in the stomach, it goes away after a couple hours

Mid-week is prob a good idea for muscle gain, but depends on what your training volume, daily activites, and weekend carb ups look like

I think protein is fine in the morn, I too would have problems stomaching fat early and training.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
This is a question to all of you on the thread…

I’m wanting to start the AD, but as it seems most people have, I have reservations about veggies. However, veggies, ARE carbs. I looked up the carb profile on the veggies I eat (broccoli, bell peppers, green beans, cucmbers, spinach, and romaine lettuce) and they average about 2-6 g. NET carbs per cup. Well, I eat about 12-15 cups a day, that gets me to 60 carbs all ready, and throw in the few from protein powder, I’m at 80. This according to the AD would be way too high. Would the diet then not work?
Could some of you who have had such great success post one day’s food as an example?

Second of all, do you find you can eat a lot more on this diet without gaining fat?

Third, how long does the bloat from the refeed last?

Fourth, would it be advantageous to have a mid week carb up (one day) and just one day on the weekend?

Also, do you eat fats BEFORE working out if you workout very early in the morning? I just can’t stomach fats that early. Should I just eat protein? Would my body go into “protein burning” mode?

Any insights would be VERY appreciated.
[/quote]

First and foremost, that’s A LOT of vegetables. I thought I ate a lot of 'em…

My experience is this: I don’t count veggies whatsoever. I treat them as water. I eat them with as many meals as I can and in varying quantities.

Fact of the matter is that veggies have been shown to increase insulin sensitivity, which translate to better uptake of glucose in our muscles in our carb-loads → better performance in our workout → higher energy expenditure → higher food intake → higher G-Flux. And, of course, it seems that establishing a high G-Flux is the key to reaching our athletic and physique goals.

Soooo… don’t count 'em. Besides, the majority register <15 on the GI scale and actually require calories just to digest (potentially making them a negative calorie food, although I’d prefer you not quote me on that).

As far as my food intake, I take in anywhere between 3300-3700 calories/day, depending on how much my body wants me to eat. I eat about a dozen eggs/day and the rest of my calories (I don’t count veggies or fish oil caps, of which I take 10/day) come from 20% fat ground beef (this is what you’ll find generally at fast food joints and is the cheap ground beef at grocery stores) and cheese.

In general, I would say I can eat a lot more food on this diet and not add fat the way I would on a higher carb diet. I wouldn’t take this testimony as an excuse to eat more on your part, but I’m simply saying that I take in more calories per day and am slightly leaner on a regular weekly basis. Again, your best bet is to simply eat when you are hungry and not get too caught up in the # of calories you eat per day. Watch the mirror and every now and then take a look at the scale.

“The bloat”, or when you hold subcutaneous water is, for me, the one drawback to the diet. Simply put, it’s not the best of looks. Allow me to illustrate: I carb-load Friday and Saturday, once I start holding water on Saturday, I stop the carb-load, and generally really dislike the why I look (which is kind of ironic, because typically 2 hours before this point I’m just loving my full muscles). Come Sunday, I typically look the same as the night before, and come Monday, I’m usually about 75% flushed of the water, and then Tuesday I look and feel great.

Don’t let the bloat scare you away from the diet. There are things you can do to minimize it. Drinking more water, eating asparagus for the first couple days after the load, and avoiding sodium all help flush the water away more quickly. Finally, there is the option of doing a 1 and 1 carb-up, that is, a Saturday and a Wednesday carb-up, which brings me to your last question.

I think that the 1 and 1 might help minimize the “bloated” look by shortcircuiting the glycogen supercompensation (basically, the more carbs you eat, the more water you hold… and essentially halving your carb-loads in to two loads should minimize the pendulum). To be fair, I have not actually tried the 1 and 1, but I’m considering it being that I will be abroad in another country with hopefully many beautiful, exotic ladies, and looking bloated if only for a day or two simply doesn’t fit in to my agenda very well.

Still, I wonder about the 1 and 1… I have a gut feeling that it’s less effective for muscle gain and fat loss in that you never quite reach a glycogen supercompensation, which has all sorts of special effects on the body. It should, in theory, keep you looking good though. Anyone else have an opinion on this?! I only have two more days 'til I’m outta here and I’ve been toying with the idea for a long time…

As far as what to eat before working out, your best bet is always to get more fat calories than protein. The crux of the diet is fat adaptation and thus free-fatty acid burning… the more fat you provide your body, the more (and I should say paradoxically) it will burn from your body (within reason, of course… calories still do matter to a degree). Still you’ll want some protein to ensure a positive nitrogen balance, which is ideal for protein synthesis and reduction of protein breakdown for energy.

My hands are tired, but before I depart, I really want to hammer it in that the AD is something you’re going to need to experiment with long-term. I wouldn’t plan on using it for 2 months and then switching back. Give it time. And if you have any issues, talk to the people on this thread. Godspeed.

freinds iam t6otally screwed up …iam on ad for last 8 months and was doing fine …recently wanted to get ripped to 8percent body fat as being a actor i have a role which demands tht. iam also taking anabolics so i could lean faster and preserve some lean mass.

today before the carbup i did a blood test …empty stomach and i was shocked to see the report.
blood sugar fasting-103
appearance of serum-clear
total cholestoral-283
hdl-50
ldl-203.6
vldl-29.4
serum triglycerides-147
total\hdl-5.66
ldl\hdl-4.07
vldl\triglycerides-0.2

now this is a fucked up profile
iam so worried …i dont know if this ratio is because of the anabolics iam taking iam taking primobolon and winstrol and tri-trenabol. anti-estrogens and proviron.
or it is because iam not adjusting to the diet very well means iam not a good fat metabolizer?

also iam not losing any weight infact iam gaining weight on scale . and also on my waist it has increasedf by 1 inch then it was before.
iam totally disturbed because i really like this diet so much .
my trainer said is better to adopt a zone diet minus fruits and see what happens …chris, pauli d , tribulus,sasha and any 1 what are ur views ? pls can some 1 pls reply me …thimngs were going good so far just this blood profile has screwed me up

[quote]raviraj wrote:
freinds iam t6otally screwed up …iam on ad for last 8 months and was doing fine …recently wanted to get ripped to 8percent body fat as being a actor i have a role which demands tht. iam also taking anabolics so i could lean faster and preserve some lean mass.

today before the carbup i did a blood test …empty stomach and i was shocked to see the report.
blood sugar fasting-103
appearance of serum-clear
total cholestoral-283
hdl-50
ldl-203.6
vldl-29.4
serum triglycerides-147
total\hdl-5.66
ldl\hdl-4.07
vldl\triglycerides-0.2

now this is a fucked up profile
iam so worried …i dont know if this ratio is because of the anabolics iam taking iam taking primobolon and winstrol and tri-trenabol. anti-estrogens and proviron.
or it is because iam not adjusting to the diet very well means iam not a good fat metabolizer?

also iam not losing any weight infact iam gaining weight on scale . and also on my waist it has increasedf by 1 inch then it was before.
iam totally disturbed because i really like this diet so much .
my trainer said is better to adopt a zone diet minus fruits and see what happens …chris, pauli d , tribulus,sasha and any 1 what are ur views ? pls can some 1 pls reply me …thimngs were going good so far just this blood profile has screwed me up[/quote]

Problem is… and I think I speak for everyone, I’m not a doctor, nor do I know very much on the subject of blood lipid profiles. I can tell you that yours certainly isn’t good by any means (no offense), but I can’t tell you if it’s a direct result of the AD or the 'roids or a combination of the two, etc.

There are just so many factors that could be influencing your blood lipid profile, including genetics and environment (I understand that India is not very sanitary and highly polluted, again, no offense). With all that said, and bear in mind I do NOT purport to be knowledgeable on either the subjects of steroids or blood lipid profiles, but I have heard that steroids can have negative effects on these profiles. Whether these effects are temporary or permanent, I do not know, although I tend toward a temporary reaction from the steroids.

Your best bet is to ask this question in the steroids forum and read feverishly about steroids in the steroids forum, starting with http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=354419.

As far as losing weight and gaining weight, this thread itself has been giving very good advice the past few pages on this topic… advice that you can personalize (I would basically just be repeating myself and others).

Now, you may not want it, but I’m going to give it to you anyway. I would nix the steroids, man. I get the impression that you aren’t educated on the topic and are taking them for a quick-fix. That just spells disaster to me. Goodluck regardless.

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
raviraj wrote:
freinds iam t6otally screwed up …iam on ad for last 8 months and was doing fine …recently wanted to get ripped to 8percent body fat as being a actor i have a role which demands tht. iam also taking anabolics so i could lean faster and preserve some lean mass.

today before the carbup i did a blood test …empty stomach and i was shocked to see the report.
blood sugar fasting-103
appearance of serum-clear
total cholestoral-283
hdl-50
ldl-203.6
vldl-29.4
serum triglycerides-147
total\hdl-5.66
ldl\hdl-4.07
vldl\triglycerides-0.2

now this is a fucked up profile
iam so worried …i dont know if this ratio is because of the anabolics iam taking iam taking primobolon and winstrol and tri-trenabol. anti-estrogens and proviron.
or it is because iam not adjusting to the diet very well means iam not a good fat metabolizer?

also iam not losing any weight infact iam gaining weight on scale . and also on my waist it has increasedf by 1 inch then it was before.
iam totally disturbed because i really like this diet so much .
my trainer said is better to adopt a zone diet minus fruits and see what happens …chris, pauli d , tribulus,sasha and any 1 what are ur views ? pls can some 1 pls reply me …thimngs were going good so far just this blood profile has screwed me up

Problem is… and I think I speak for everyone, I’m not a doctor, nor do I know very much on the subject of blood lipid profiles. I can tell you that yours certainly isn’t good by any means (no offense), but I can’t tell you if it’s a direct result of the AD or the 'roids or a combination of the two, etc.

There are just so many factors that could be influencing your blood lipid profile, including genetics and environment (I understand that India is not very sanitary and highly polluted, again, no offense). With all that said, and bear in mind I do NOT purport to be knowledgeable on either the subjects of steroids or blood lipid profiles, but I have heard that steroids can have negative effects on these profiles. Whether these effects are temporary or permanent, I do not know, although I tend toward a temporary reaction from the steroids.

Your best bet is to ask this question in the steroids forum and read feverishly about steroids in the steroids forum, starting with http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=354419.

As far as losing weight and gaining weight, this thread itself has been giving very good advice the past few pages on this topic… advice that you can personalize (I would basically just be repeating myself and others).

Now, you may not want it, but I’m going to give it to you anyway. I would nix the steroids, man. I get the impression that you aren’t educated on the topic and are taking them for a quick-fix. That just spells disaster to me. Goodluck regardless.[/quote]

thanx a lot for the reply …i searched and yes …steroids can change the lipids for a period of time and things go normal the mommnet u stop them …and iam sure ad is notnto be blamed …because when i did my initial reports my blood reports were mindblowing i mean it was imply outstanding it was more like a 2 year old boy thats what my doc had said …sometimes with a high fat diet and steroids also …this case can happen so the ebst bet is to …go a little low fat have good protien and carbs from …veggies and all …just post workout carbs and when thinsg get settled start the ad again …iam for ad becaus ei love i had my major strenght gains through this diet .
being a actor …it was very imp for me to get to single digits bodyfat …so wnmet through that …routue maybe was a mistake …because i saw many in my gym models specially transforming them superbly…i will do a psot cycyle therapy and then …wait for 5 days and start ad again …maybe anabolics and ad dint suit me nice …the combination dint work great for me …will get back to the ad soon maybe in a month . learned a lesson not to mes sup …and i dint do it myself my trainer who himself is a bodybuilder and hw wife …who is a sport nutritionist helped me in this . and i wnet for safest roids …but yes …they do change the lipid profile . after posting here …i wnet and did all my research and consulted some friends who did the cycle and they said the same that this happened with tem but they were to normal stats in months time . thanx a million again …the main goal was just to share it with some and feel light.

[quote]raviraj wrote:
freinds iam t6otally screwed up …iam on ad for last 8 months and was doing fine …recently wanted to get ripped to 8percent body fat as being a actor i have a role which demands tht. iam also taking anabolics so i could lean faster and preserve some lean mass.

today before the carbup i did a blood test …empty stomach and i was shocked to see the report.
blood sugar fasting-103
appearance of serum-clear
total cholestoral-283
hdl-50
ldl-203.6
vldl-29.4
serum triglycerides-147
total\hdl-5.66
ldl\hdl-4.07
vldl\triglycerides-0.2

now this is a fucked up profile
iam so worried …i dont know if this ratio is because of the anabolics iam taking iam taking primobolon and winstrol and tri-trenabol. anti-estrogens and proviron.
or it is because iam not adjusting to the diet very well means iam not a good fat metabolizer?

also iam not losing any weight infact iam gaining weight on scale . and also on my waist it has increasedf by 1 inch then it was before.
iam totally disturbed because i really like this diet so much .
my trainer said is better to adopt a zone diet minus fruits and see what happens …chris, pauli d , tribulus,sasha and any 1 what are ur views ? pls can some 1 pls reply me …thimngs were going good so far just this blood profile has screwed me up[/quote]

Rav,

Do me a favour, can you please post an average days food intake and an average carb up. Please be as detailed as possible and include absolutely everything including sauces, condiments, sodium, drinks, etc. Also, post your exercise routine. Are you bulking at the moment? Is cardio a part of your plan?

It’s true, anabolics can mess with your blood profile and it very well may be the case that is simply amplifying a slight elevation in blood lipids. I am not a doctor and will not give advice as to how to proceed but I will do my best in trying to understand why this may have happened.

Sasha

whats the difference between the AD diet and the keto diet? i have been on the AD diet for about 8 months and love it, i was just wondering what the difference was.
thanks.

Wow, thanks for all the responses! I had one more question relating…some of you mentioned that the AD is best more for perhaps maintaining and cutting? Would it be optimal for someone like me where I’m sitting around 120 lbs (Desperately need more lean mass) but where my BF has crept up from under 10% to maybe closer to 15% now. I’m not exaclty sure on the numbers now…

I’m in Germany and have no real way to measure. My body never seems to want to stay at low BF maybe since I just need more lean mass. I was happy when I was very low BF…last summer 125 lbs and under 10% (I’m female and 5’7’') But in trying to maintain I’ve ended up down to 120 lbs and fatter. :frowning:

To add to the problem I have injured my right glute so all the good intense things like squats and sprints are OUT for probably a long time. That is why I’m looking into seeing what I can do with diet alone and maybe some intense upper body work?

Any thoughts?

Thanks again SO much for the responses. This thread is great!

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Damn, craving the sweets, eh? It’s not the worst of things to give in to those temptations, but remember that the quality of food that you eat DOES matter, particularly when we are talking about carbohydrates.
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yeah heh. believe it or not, i had not had ice-cream for a year and other desserts like apple pie for 6 months.

[quote]It’s good that you are eating fruit and the like, but I would recommend incorporating sweet potatoes/yams, oatmeal, and brown rice in place of the junk. You’re more likely to fill your glycogen stores and avoid a lipogenic insulin response by eating clean foods.
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alright, thanks for the advice oval. i will take in more tubers, oatmeal and brown rice the next carb-up.

hmmm ok… i’ll watch out for what you’ve described.