My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Yea,…but coming from a guy who wrote the keto diet book, I’m a little surprised. Why can’t people admit that there are some people who just do well on a low carb diet?

We are talking about cycling though right? I mean certainly fat adapted, but still with periodic cho loading?[/quote]

Yes. I have gone long periods without carbs…dont notice any bad effects…but, for even social reasons, the carb up is important.

It is nice to go out on the weekend and not have to get insanely angry when you find out the chicken wings are breaded haha.

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[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Bizmark,

I’ll do ya one better, I just ended the Velocity Diet…and I set 3 PR’s. I guess I shoulda bought into the theory that you should do lite weights for medium reps on a diet because, ya know, if you aren’t eating 10,000 cals, then you’ll be weak.

How many stories do we need of some champion Olympic Lifter from some poor, but strong country eating what a 10yo girl would eat while snatching 400lbs? I think some people just get too comfortable and get to believe that you NEED carbs or NEED a million calories to support their 3x’s per week, back/biceps split.

great post, but cmon I think you mean chest/biceps split, ya know the million sets of curls and brench press done to failure.

Impressive with the PR’s on the diet though.[/quote]

Ohhhh it’s chest/biceps? No wonder I’ve been failing.

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
ive never had fish oil in oil form only caps…does it taste better than olive oil cuz i hate that stuff…and if its just as good…:P…then how do u all hide the taste[/quote]

You hate olive oil? Are you from another planet? LOL Are you eating a quality extra virgin olive oil? In a tin or a dark colored bottle?

Ok, fish oil…most of it tastes like turds. There are soem good flavored ones though. I use Breleans fish oil caps, but have had their lemon and orange flavored oil, and it’s not bad at all…very fresh tasting.

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I think Ascenta makes a fine-tasting and high quality fish oil.

Check out: http://www.ascentahealth.com/Products/ .

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My fish oil is canadian (health from the sea) and tastes great. It’s orange flavored. I love it. I sit and lick the spoon after ward making sure i get it all.

I also don’t find I lose much of anything when going without much CHO for a while. But when I want to ramp up the intensity and really train like an animal I cycle the shit out of the CHO. But if i do it for too long I get diminishing returns. So for a month is ok but more than that and I feel like I did pre AD. which is basically lazy as fuk.

-chris

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need 2 questions answered–
1-why doesn’t everyone use Flameout. from what i’ve seen you cannot beat it in potency, price, and in quality though there are others with equal quality.

2-why do “most” others have a higher EPA vs. DHA (Flameout has higher DHA.
where i buy my multi’s their omegas also is higher in DHA, and i trust them fully so was glad Flameout has that ratio.
thanks
Mike

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[quote]mike59 wrote:
need 2 questions answered–
1-why doesn’t everyone use Flameout. from what i’ve seen you cannot beat it in potency, price, and in quality though there are others with equal quality.

2-why do “most” others have a higher EPA vs. DHA (Flameout has higher DHA.
where i buy my multi’s their omegas also is higher in DHA, and i trust them fully so was glad Flameout has that ratio.
thanks
Mike[/quote]

You can get more concentration for a lesser price in the liquid form.

Most have higher EPA for amny reasons. One of which is that often DHA can be spoiled in the capping process where the EPA makes it through with less damage. Also things tend to come in a balance, preventing huge amounts of DHA in most products unless they actively strive for it.

Flameout is great but some of the oils (esp. in canada) are of an equal quality and price. You also have to swallow less stuff. I get my 45 g of O-3 in 3 TBsp of oil and some CLA and on DHA cap. Plus the oil tastes great.

Its a consumer choice I suppose.

-chris

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[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
mike59 wrote:
need 2 questions answered–
1-why doesn’t everyone use Flameout. from what i’ve seen you cannot beat it in potency, price, and in quality though there are others with equal quality.

2-why do “most” others have a higher EPA vs. DHA (Flameout has higher DHA.
where i buy my multi’s their omegas also is higher in DHA, and i trust them fully so was glad Flameout has that ratio.
thanks
Mike

You can get more concentration for a lesser price in the liquid form.

Most have higher EPA for amny reasons. One of which is that often DHA can be spoiled in the capping process where the EPA makes it through with less damage. Also things tend to come in a balance, preventing huge amounts of DHA in most products unless they actively strive for it.

Flameout is great but some of the oils (esp. in canada) are of an equal quality and price. You also have to swallow less stuff. I get my 45 g of O-3 in 3 TBsp of oil and some CLA and on DHA cap. Plus the oil tastes great.

Its a consumer choice I suppose.

-chris[/quote]

thanks Chris,
which company do you buy your O3 from?

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Holy shit I am so outa shape. I decided to do some HIIT today because today and tomorrow are carbups. I could do… wait for it… wait for it… fucking FIVE sprints before I was dead. Thats ridiculous. I’ve never done that low of a number in my life. I am uberly outa shape. I can’t believe that weightlifting didn’t keep me in kinda good cardio shape, but I guess it didn’t. Anyway, I’m gonna be doing a lot more of that now…

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bizmark dude it could be worse…my reps have gone down in my bench from a max PR 6 to 2-3 max now…im hoping its cuz ive been waiting to carb up for christmas

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Happy Holidays, ADers! Enjoy your CHO-ups! I’m gonna keep it real on the P/F.

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:
Holy shit I am so outa shape. I decided to do some HIIT today because today and tomorrow are carbups. I could do… wait for it… wait for it… fucking FIVE sprints before I was dead. Thats ridiculous. I’ve never done that low of a number in my life. I am uberly outa shape. I can’t believe that weightlifting didn’t keep me in kinda good cardio shape, but I guess it didn’t. Anyway, I’m gonna be doing a lot more of that now…[/quote]

Probably because carbs are ESSENTIAL (sorry Sasha, but Happy holidays!) for an event as intense as sprints and you’ve been too long without them! hahaha - to reiterate il cazzo, why do some folks feel the need to advise more frequent carb feedings? Social pressure?? The FDA food triangle?? Gov’t brainwashing??

I’m sure that some folks might find carbs necessary - psychologically, if not physically, but how many record PR’s and other performance measures pre-fat adapted, and then compare those with post fat adapted performance? This is what a thread like this is about, yes? Our other one is. Results, results, results - that is what we should look to.

Theory and e-books are a great guide as a starting point or consideration, but your personal results are THE best indication of what works and what does not - for you. And the more of us that share the same results, the larger our “truth” becomes.

My results: with months between carb feedings, I’m leaner, stronger, faster through intense events, and maintain more muscle size (like I care) at the same time - as long as my fat intake is kept up. I’ve never pulled this off on a carb diet.

Merry Christmas!

-SK

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merry chrsitmas everyone!!!o and remember that trans fats r in cheaply made cookies and shit so, if it were me, watch out and try to stick with nice crap

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
merry chrsitmas everyone!!!o and remember that trans fats r in cheaply made cookies and shit so, if it were me, watch out and try to stick with nice crap[/quote]

O believe me… not a single cheaply made peice of wonderfulness is going into MY mouth today :wink:

Merry christmas everybody!

-Bizmark

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
Happy Holidays, ADers! Enjoy your CHO-ups! I’m gonna keep it real on the P/F.[/quote]

no way…seriously props, I know I would find it IMPOSSIBLE to make it through christmas w/o carbs…cmon christams cookies, candy kisses, choclate oranges, candy canes, all kinds of cake, egg nog, …oh god today is a feast

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
merry chrsitmas everyone!!!o and remember that trans fats r in cheaply made cookies and shit so, if it were me, watch out and try to stick with nice crap[/quote]

ya thats what sucks and why I’m trying to make my own desserts, but all the indgredients have trans fat too…itd be soo much easier if that shit was banned.

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[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
Holy shit I am so outa shape. I decided to do some HIIT today because today and tomorrow are carbups. I could do… wait for it… wait for it… fucking FIVE sprints before I was dead. Thats ridiculous. I’ve never done that low of a number in my life. I am uberly outa shape. I can’t believe that weightlifting didn’t keep me in kinda good cardio shape, but I guess it didn’t. Anyway, I’m gonna be doing a lot more of that now…

Probably because carbs are ESSENTIAL (sorry Sasha, but Happy holidays!) for an event as intense as sprints and you’ve been too long without them! hahaha - to reiterate il cazzo, why do some folks feel the need to advise more frequent carb feedings? Social pressure?? The FDA food triangle?? Gov’t brainwashing??

I’m sure that some folks might find carbs necessary - psychologically, if not physically, but how many record PR’s and other performance measures pre-fat adapted, and then compare those with post fat adapted performance? This is what a thread like this is about, yes? Our other one is. Results, results, results - that is what we should look to.

Theory and e-books are a great guide as a starting point or consideration, but your personal results are THE best indication of what works and what does not - for you. And the more of us that share the same results, the larger our “truth” becomes.

My results: with months between carb feedings, I’m leaner, stronger, faster through intense events, and maintain more muscle size (like I care) at the same time - as long as my fat intake is kept up. I’ve never pulled this off on a carb diet.

Merry Christmas!

-SK
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SK,

No worries mate . . . just know that all the excess protein you are ingesting is fueling your intense activities via glucogenisis. And, on those days that you do not get enough protein through your diet you will be breaking down muscle tissue to fuel those activities. High intensity activities like weight training, sprints and athletics require glycogen in one form or another. You’re just choosing to fuel it through the breakdown of protein. What you are following is a standard ketogenic diet (think Atkins) with the occasional re-introduction of carbohydrates . . . but hey, if you like it, go for it.

Happy xmas and all the best.

Sasha

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[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
josh.shafer wrote:
Happy Holidays, ADers! Enjoy your CHO-ups! I’m gonna keep it real on the P/F.

no way…seriously props, I know I would find it IMPOSSIBLE to make it through christmas w/o carbs…cmon christams cookies, candy kisses, choclate oranges, candy canes, all kinds of cake, egg nog, …oh god today is a feast[/quote]

Yeah, no big deal, though. I have to work and didn’t get to make it home for the holidays. I work at a luxury hotel that has a 4 diamond restaurant in it. I’ll be having black angus prime rib and veggies and my snacks of cheese and sausage that I bring. I’ve been collecting candies and cookies for Thursday, though when my break-in is done. Holiday eating kind of loses it’s meaning for me when I’m not home.

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I think I read in and interview somewhere that the average person’s muscles can hold 400 g’s of glycogen and the liver can hold 50. If this is true, it really now makes sense to me, the idea that those who are cutting should only load for one day.
450 g’s x 4 kcals/g=1800 kcals from carbs on a carb up day MAX for someone who is cutting.

Therefore, to keep optimum macros in place for a CHO load day, the max calories I should take in are 3600. Right? I’ve read the whole thread, but I don’t remember this ever coming up. I’m trying to stay ahead of the game with only a couple days to go until my load. Thanks in advance.

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[quote]josh.shafer wrote:
I think I read in and interview somewhere that the average person’s muscles can hold 400 g’s of glycogen and the liver can hold 50. If this is true, it really now makes sense to me, the idea that those who are cutting should only load for one day.
450 g’s x 4 kcals/g=1800 kcals from carbs on a carb up day MAX for someone who is cutting.

Therefore, to keep optimum macros in place for a CHO load day, the max calories I should take in are 3600. Right? I’ve read the whole thread, but I don’t remember this ever coming up. I’m trying to stay ahead of the game with only a couple days to go until my load. Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Josh,

The average person (male) can hold upwards of 900 calories of carbohydrates within their system spread across the liver (approx. 33%), muscle stores (50%) and blood glucose (17%). Now this is someone who is following a mixed diet rich in both carbohydrates, fats and proteins.

Now when you are following a ketogenic type diet like the AD or a prolonged carb depletion type diet like some others on this thread your carbohydrate stores become depleted within 3-4 days. This is when activities like weight training and some brain function are fueled via glucogenisis (I.e. the break down of protein for glucose). Because glucogenisis is an in-efficient system to derive energy in enough quantities to help us grow, we re-introduce carbohydrates after a set number of days.

As an additional note, this is why it is essential to keep your protein levels very high when moving from carbohydrate burning to fat burning. During the transition phase your body will look to protein stores to fuel activities until it becomes used to using free fatty acids to perform non-intense functions.

Hope that helps but shoot back with any questions.

Cheers,

Sasha